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Throwing this out so many can see.As many of you know I'm selling a bunch of mine to help with my son's situation of having his wife run off with a bum.Both of hem are convicted felons from drug charges.I/we need to get my grandson back here into my sons custody.They took off to Georgia. And when they did they stole several of my sons guns as well as a bunch of Snap On tools to pawn to live on.The rifle I am most concerned with is one that I built for him in 1987 + which he killed his 1st deer.I bought the barreled action from Interarms (it was a Howa,as at that time with the Balkan war going on we could not get MK X's) Anyway it is a thumbhole sporter in birdseye maple w/rosewood forend + grip cap W/ a recessed diamond gold plated over nickel silver medallion in the grip.It is chambered in 7X57.I will try to post pics if I can find any.She called my son today + told him that she was going to sell it on Gun Broker because he "owed her".I still had the serial # so we called it in to Travis County as stolen.This is compounded by the fact that both she + the bum are convicted felons so they can not legally be in possession of any guns.Any info will help.Now we have a LOT of people looking. Thanks all in advance.R. Never mistake motion for action. | ||
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God bless your family, hopefully you guys can get this resolved. | |||
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My sympathies to you and your son. Hope you get your guns back but more importantly get that grandson back. | |||
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Damn Norman, I'm sorry to hear about all this. Wish there was something I could do to help. Prayers sent for your son and grandson. Si tantum EGO eram dimidium ut bonus ut EGO memor | |||
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I hope you notified all the internet gun sale sites. Tom Z NRA Life Member | |||
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Norman, Good luck sorting all this out. Call the ATF office in your region and see if they may be of some help. Keep us posted on your progress. | |||
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Thanks for all the positive response guys.I think that prayers are needed as much as the lawyers. I would hate for him to lose that rifle but mt primary concern is for my grandson. Her father is still living here. A good guy that has M/S so I set him up here on the property in a mother in law cottage so we could keep an eye on him.Now this. He can stay as long as he wants but I think that assisted living is coming up soon.He is really heartbroken on his daughters actions.When she met my son at the Bastrop Rodeo she was just cleaning up her act.She started going to church,took yoga lessons,+ was little miss susy homemaker,had a baby, then this broadside came out of left field.Sorry to ramble or to hang out laundry but it feels right to mention it to friends + get it off my chest + I have found that members on this forum are my friends. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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Past practice predicts future behavior. Let this be a warning to any body that thinks of about becoming involved with a person that has or had drug or alcohol problems. Good luck getting your firearms back could be years. | |||
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I made a mistake earlier when I said it was a Howa barreled action. It was a Interarms MKX. The Howa is in 308 that I built for him on his 18th birthday. She took that too,then left me a nasty message on my machine this morning that she was entitled to anything she wanted to take. We'll see about that.The law is funny about folks who sell stolen guns,especially felons. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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Possession of the gun by a felon should be enough to throw her in the slammer. | |||
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But she most likely entitled to 50% of the value. | |||
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Probably not if they were the son's property before the marriage. Most State's community property laws only apply to property acquired after the marriage date. IANAL Good luck Norman's Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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That is true in Texas Frank + he did have them both before he was married.When I got divorced 10 years ago she could get 50% of what I had accumulated in the time we were married but no claim on anything pryor.And thank God I never had any kids with that woman. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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Randy: It is possible that this could be considered kidnapping. At least, your son needs to act quickly to put the child under the protection of the court system. It is possible he might be able to initiate the process without a lawyer, but it might be more difficult. From a web site on Texas law regarding this issue:
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Thanks Charlie. We do have an attourny. I broght up the kidnapping issue myself.My son is procrastinating on taking action.Does'nt want to piss her off I maybe make matters worse. Worse than what? I said,When she took the kid,your guns + tools I would think that the gloves would be off.Hell he's 40 years old;I can't make him do anything. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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There is a bunch of charges that can be filed it seems. She's already pissed off, it's not going to get worse. Go for the throat and put them away. | |||
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Well that is my opinion as well.He has the idea that even though he owned his home + property when they were married;the property value has increased by $50,000 So he seems to think that she would be entitled to half of that.I'm not so sure.The new boyfriend even called my son (before they blocked his calls) to threaten him + told him he/they would take him for all he owned. That he recorded on his cel phone.She has just been making up anythig that comes into her head + giving it to the D.A. in Ga.None of it is true.Most is so off the wall that one can't believe someone would say that. But she is messed up on drugs.The guy is on disability even though he is not injured but he gets his tax paid methadone that he has been selling on the side for $25.00 a pop.They are breaking so many laws I can't believe it. I just want my Grandson back + in a safe environment. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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What are they driving & I assume it has TX plates. I drive a lot in SE. Especially GA.& FL. Perhaps a "Amber Alert"is possible. https://www.amberalert.gov/ Cats have nine lives. Which makes them ideal for experimentation... | |||
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They are driving a black+white Toyota mini van w/ Tx. tags ( # unknown) + several "enlightened" bumper stickers.Her mother lives in Franklin Ga. so I just assume they are close by.My understanding in order to place an amber alert that my son first needs to file for a seperation even though divorce proceedings have not been started.He needs to get on the ball with this.He is the husband so he needs to do it,not me.He is adamant about not going to court + thinks it can be worked between them but I doubt it myself. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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He better get moving. If she has the kid and she files first he's screwed, especially if she does so in Georgia. Most states have packets that can be purchased from the Superior Court. There will be one for Separation, one for Divorce, one for custody, etc. Each packet contains all the forms that need to be filed, a checklist so you know which of the forms are applicable for what you want to do, and instructions. He can fill those out and file them himself. Most courts also have facilitators who will help explain how the process works, what the options are, how to file, how to schedule an appearance, how to prepare an order for a judge to sign, and more. They usually are free or charge a very small fee. He can ask for an appointment with a facilitator at the clerk's office. He can file and request an immediate order preventing her from taking the child out of the state. They almost always grant that to prevent parties from removing the child from their jurisdiction. Your son should emphasize that he fears for the child's safety and well being because the child is with two armed, convicted felons and drug addicts. Another, and separate thing he can do is report the firearms theft to the police. He should make it clear that she and another convicted felon are in possession of the stolen firearms. And again, to the police, your son should also emphasize that he fears for the child's safety and well being because the child is with two armed, convicted felons and drug addicts. Or...he can do nothing and let the child suffer the consequences of inaction. . | |||
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With all due respect, your son is acting like a complete fool/idiot. He needs to get his act together for his son's sake, if nothing else. Get the child back to Texas and if the mother follows, then your son can concern himself with "working it out". He (figuratively) needs to be slapped up beside his head a few times until he sees the situation as it is.  Note: All this presupposes that he didn't do any actions inside the marriage which would have forced or made her want to leave. How old is this child? Did they take him out of school? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I know Charlie,I feel the same. As to what has happened inside their marriage as in anyones,only the players know. I do know my son though + I do know her + her history.She got involved with "Frank"a few months ago when she went out to California with him to bring a truck back (probably drugs) + was gone for close to 2 months leaving my son + her brother to watch the baby. Your next question answered,He will be 2 in mid April.Now I ask you,what woman would leave her infant for that length of time? If it walks like a duck,etc. But yes,I am having a hard time on getting him to see how serious this is + needing immediate action.If you ignore it it WILL NOT go away.I am deeply concerned to say the least,but as I have said,he is 40 + the father + husband,I am just grandpa. I have no voice in the court. I don't know why he wants to be decent to her.I'm a decent guy but after all this I would throw her under the bus,(after the bum). Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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I'm sure you have pointed this out, but the child is the one in danger, not the husband. He should act for his son's protection immediately. Or, maybe after 2 months of child care, he doesn't want anymore? That sounds like his response to me. It is also possible that if she gets busted in Ga., then the child will be placed in the state's care and that will muddy the waters even further. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Pretty sure I would've commandeered a tank and driven across the globe if my flesh and blood son was stolen from me by 2 convicted felons who are also carrying my stolen firearms. It would've taken me about a millisecond to act on this. What am I missing here? Forgive me for asking, but is your son a drug addict also? | |||
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Charley,that is not the case.He wants custody but he refuses to go to court to win that because of stupid pride (that he should'nt have to) Well guess what? sometimes you do! That is what I am fighting with along with everything else. And No Norton,my son does not use drugs + only on occasion has a beer.He met her at the Bastrop rodeo + she is a gorgeos model + he fell for her + married her + then found out her heritage. Concerning your last statement Charlie,that is another concern,if CPS gets involved that will open up a real can of worms,one that would be hard to get away from even after the fact.Oh + just for the record,I have mentioned that I have put her father up here in a mother in law cottage as he has M/S + getting worse. Well today after an infection due to his catheter we took him in + found out he has colon cancer.They cut him tomorrow.His main concern is what will happen to his dog.Sorry to ramble,a lot on my plate. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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Did the ex-wife take his testicals also? I went through something similar 20 years ago. You have to swing the biggest hammer you can find. The judge will "judge" the fathers action, or lack of, accordingly. | |||
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I did too,twice. The 1st one (the boys mother) took off + left me to raise 3 boys aged 15,12,+ 3. Best thing that ever happened to me in hindsight. My second took me to the cleaners + I had to sell damn near all of my guns to pay her off,but I did'nt have to sell any land + guns I can replace. All of this will work out in the end its just a bitch going through it. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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Any updates? | |||
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My son spoke with her on the phone a few days ago. She has already kicked the bum out (no surprise there). She sent some pics of the child + he seems to be in good shape.Her mother lives close by so I am more comfortable about his well being.Word is that she has not sold the rifles but she did hock a bunch of his Snap On tools but she told him where + he just worked more hours + got them back from the pawn shop.The welfare of the child is the primary concern. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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Glad to hear it's moving in the right direction at least. | |||
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Been through a similar thing about 27yrs ago. Even though the ex DIL served time for drugs, it still cost us close to $30,000 for my son to gain custody. She is still on dope, but don't have to deal with her any longer. Hopefully things are getting better for the male in custody disputes. Your Son better go for it or he will lose. | |||
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If your son doesn't get off his ass and file and he lets six months go by, he will likely be fighting for custody in Ga. I wish him and you, as the grandfather, the best, but if someone wants to think with his dick, or whatever besides his brain, and bad things happen, it is hard to have much sympathy. Unfortunately, the child will be one of the victims of his dumbassness. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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He needs to make the 1st move, file and then he is in the drivers seat. That's the advice of my atty here in SC. Southern states are notorious for leaning towards the Mother, make a move now! CO School of Trades 1976, Gunsmithing | |||
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Norman sorry to hear this. I wish you and your family the best. Please hire a good family lawyer. Sorry I'm not much help there. pdog, you are just so wrong! | |||
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Thank you Lavaca + I appreciate your comment to pdog.That confirmed my thoughts without a formal legal opinion,+ I agree to the family case lawyer. He has one on retainer. I am selling off some of my guns to help in that defense but he ulimatly has to pursue this + he is so damned hard headed. Wonder where he gets that. I did tell him that HE NEEDS to file so he can be a friend of the court. I can not make him act. He is fed up with her but the child is the concern.This is an ugly business + almost wished I had never mentioned it but if I had not I would not have received positive feed back that was helpful if only mentally. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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