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Looks neato on paper, a little more difficult to make it a financial success.

Sorta feel sorry for those who got bamboozled by all the hype and BS. But a fool and his money are soon departed.

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Exclusive: Tesla to close a dozen solar facilities in nine states - documents

Nichola Groom, Salvador Rodriguez, Kristina Cooke

7 MIN READ

LOS ANGELES/SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Electric car maker Tesla Inc’s move last week to cut 9 percent of its workforce will sharply downsize the residential solar business it bought two years ago in a controversial $2.6 billion deal, according to three internal company documents and seven current and former Tesla solar employees.

The latest cuts to the division that was once SolarCity - a sales and installation company founded by two cousins of Tesla CEO Elon Musk - include closing about a dozen installation facilities, according to internal company documents, and ending a retail partnership with Home Depot Inc that the current and former employees said generated about half of its sales.

About 60 installation facilities remain open, according to an internal company list reviewed by Reuters. An internal company email named 14 facilities slated for closure, but the other list included only 13 of those locations.

Tesla declined to comment on which sites it planned to shut down, how many employees would lose their jobs or what percentage of the solar workforce they represent.

The company said that cuts to its overall energy team - including batteries to store power - were in line with the broader 9 percent staff cut.

“We continue to expect that Tesla’s solar and battery business will be the same size as automotive over the long term,” the company said in a statement to Reuters.

The operational closures, which have not been previously reported, raise new questions about the viability of cash-strapped Tesla’s solar business and Musk’s rationale for a merger he once called a “no brainer” - but some investors have panned as a bailout of an affiliated firm at the expense of Tesla shareholders. Before the merger, Musk had served as chairman of SolarCity’s board of directors.

The installation offices that the internal email said were targeted for closure were located in California, Maryland, New Jersey, Texas, New York, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Arizona and Delaware.

The company also fired dozens of solar customer service staffers at call centers in Nevada and Utah, according to the former Tesla employees, some of whom were terminated in last week’s cuts. Those employees spoke on condition of anonymity because making public comments could violate the terms of their severance packages.

“It’s been a difficult few days - no one can deny this,” a Tesla manager wrote in a seperate internal email, sent to customer service employees shortly after the cuts were announced.

Tesla has been burning through cash as it tries to hit a target of producing 5,000 Model 3 electric sedans per week after production delays. The company faces investor pressure to turn a profit without having to tap Wall Street for additional capital.

The total number of cuts to the solar workforce remained unclear. Some personnel at facilities closing down were being transferred to other sites, the current and former employees said. SolarCity employed about 15,000 people at the end of 2015 but has since cut thousands of workers.

Ending the Home Depot partnership, which allowed for solar sales in about 800 stores, is part of Tesla’s larger effort to absorb SolarCity into its high-end brand and sell through 90 of its 109 U.S. retail stores and its website, the company said.

“Tesla stores have some of the highest foot traffic of any retail space in the country,” Tesla said.

Analysts questioned Tesla’s plans for the solar business in light of the latest cuts to staff and retail operations.

“In effect they seem to be saying, ‘We have no strategy for selling solar,’” said Frank Gillett, an analyst at Forrester Research, adding that the SolarCity purchase “looks pretty awful right now.”

FALLING SALES

In the first quarter of this year, Tesla installed 76 megawatts of solar systems - down from SolarCity’s more than 200 MW a quarter in early 2016, when it was the leading player in the industry. In announcing quarterly results in February, Tesla said growth in solar deployments would resume later this year.

Tesla’s falling solar sales also could jeopardize the future of a joint venture with Panasonic, announced as Tesla moved to acquire SolarCity in 2016, to produce solar modules at a new factory in Buffalo, New York.

Tesla has an agreement with New York state requiring the company to spend $5 billion within 10 years. If Tesla fails to meet that obligation and others, the company may be required to pay tens of millions of dollars in penalties at various milestones, could lose its lease, or be forced to write down the assets, the company told investors in a May filing.

In response to questions from Reuters, Tesla said it is meeting its hiring and spending commitments for the factory.

In March, a Delaware judge ruled against a Tesla motion to dismiss a lawsuit by the company’s shareholders over the SolarCity deal. The lawsuit alleged Tesla’s board of directors breached its duties to shareholders by approving the merger.

SolarCity founder Lyndon Rive, who is Musk’s first cousin and left Tesla last year, did not respond to a request for comment.

HIGH MARKETING COSTS

The move to end the longstanding Home Depot partnership blindsided many staffers because Tesla had announced an expansion of the arrangement as recently as February.

GTM Research analyst Austin Perea estimated the partnership has recently accounted for about half of sales, in part because of previous Tesla moves to cut back on other sales and marketing costs.

Such third-party retail partnerships are among the most expensive means of generating solar sales, according to the clean energy research firm, in part because retailers take a cut of each sale.

The cost of winning a customer through a store like Home Depot can be up to $7,000 per system, according to GTM Research, compared with a national average of $4,000 per installation.

Home Depot spokesman Stephen Holmes said the retailer’s relationship with Tesla would last through the end of the year, adding that Home Depot would continue a partnership with Tesla competitor Sunrun in an undisclosed number of stores.

Over the past year, Tesla has stepped up efforts to sell solar and batteries for energy storage in its retail stores, something Musk said last year was “a much more efficient channel for demand generation.”

At the same time, Tesla stopped door-to-door sales, once among SolarCity’s most successful means of reaching new customers, and salespeople were no longer allowed to hold local events or buy online leads, the former employees said.

Such tactics are standard practice across most of the competitive residential solar industry.

The Home Depot partnership was costly but also integral to Tesla’s solar panel sales, a former employee told Reuters.

“It’s an expensive account,” the former employee said, “but it does bring in all the revenue.”


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Many consider the purchase of Solar City by Tesla/Musk to be a serious error. Solar generated power will probably be the wave of the future, but the future is not here yet.


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Now I am really confused. The fool you are talking about is you.

“Peter for your edification I am a stockholder in Tesla for over 5 years when it was still a double digit stock and have purchased periodically since then. If anything I am PRAYING for Elon to get his crap together and FOCUS on his ailing auto company and less on his rocket company - which I am totally impressed with by the way.”

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Maybe this is what happens when ones lives in a fantasy world of fictional trading and capital.

So you hate everything about tesla and it’s managements except it’s stock which is up 10x and which you have somehow been long as you bitch and moan about the company.

Must be a strange relationship where one invest precious after tax capital in stuff they don’t like and keeps buying over years and at the same time hate decisions by the company. I assume if the stock was down you would not claim to be a shareholder.


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Originally posted by Opus1:
Looks neato on paper, a little more difficult to make it a financial success.

Sorta feel sorry for those who got bamboozled by all the hype and BS. But a fool and his money are soon departed.

quote:

Exclusive: Tesla to close a dozen solar facilities in nine states - documents

Nichola Groom, Salvador Rodriguez, Kristina Cooke

7 MIN READ

LOS ANGELES/SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Electric car maker Tesla Inc’s move last week to cut 9 percent of its workforce will sharply downsize the residential solar business it bought two years ago in a controversial $2.6 billion deal, according to three internal company documents and seven current and former Tesla solar employees.

The latest cuts to the division that was once SolarCity - a sales and installation company founded by two cousins of Tesla CEO Elon Musk - include closing about a dozen installation facilities, according to internal company documents, and ending a retail partnership with Home Depot Inc that the current and former employees said generated about half of its sales.

About 60 installation facilities remain open, according to an internal company list reviewed by Reuters. An internal company email named 14 facilities slated for closure, but the other list included only 13 of those locations.

Tesla declined to comment on which sites it planned to shut down, how many employees would lose their jobs or what percentage of the solar workforce they represent.

The company said that cuts to its overall energy team - including batteries to store power - were in line with the broader 9 percent staff cut.

“We continue to expect that Tesla’s solar and battery business will be the same size as automotive over the long term,” the company said in a statement to Reuters.

The operational closures, which have not been previously reported, raise new questions about the viability of cash-strapped Tesla’s solar business and Musk’s rationale for a merger he once called a “no brainer” - but some investors have panned as a bailout of an affiliated firm at the expense of Tesla shareholders. Before the merger, Musk had served as chairman of SolarCity’s board of directors.

The installation offices that the internal email said were targeted for closure were located in California, Maryland, New Jersey, Texas, New York, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Arizona and Delaware.

The company also fired dozens of solar customer service staffers at call centers in Nevada and Utah, according to the former Tesla employees, some of whom were terminated in last week’s cuts. Those employees spoke on condition of anonymity because making public comments could violate the terms of their severance packages.

“It’s been a difficult few days - no one can deny this,” a Tesla manager wrote in a seperate internal email, sent to customer service employees shortly after the cuts were announced.

Tesla has been burning through cash as it tries to hit a target of producing 5,000 Model 3 electric sedans per week after production delays. The company faces investor pressure to turn a profit without having to tap Wall Street for additional capital.

The total number of cuts to the solar workforce remained unclear. Some personnel at facilities closing down were being transferred to other sites, the current and former employees said. SolarCity employed about 15,000 people at the end of 2015 but has since cut thousands of workers.

Ending the Home Depot partnership, which allowed for solar sales in about 800 stores, is part of Tesla’s larger effort to absorb SolarCity into its high-end brand and sell through 90 of its 109 U.S. retail stores and its website, the company said.

“Tesla stores have some of the highest foot traffic of any retail space in the country,” Tesla said.

Analysts questioned Tesla’s plans for the solar business in light of the latest cuts to staff and retail operations.

“In effect they seem to be saying, ‘We have no strategy for selling solar,’” said Frank Gillett, an analyst at Forrester Research, adding that the SolarCity purchase “looks pretty awful right now.”

FALLING SALES

In the first quarter of this year, Tesla installed 76 megawatts of solar systems - down from SolarCity’s more than 200 MW a quarter in early 2016, when it was the leading player in the industry. In announcing quarterly results in February, Tesla said growth in solar deployments would resume later this year.

Tesla’s falling solar sales also could jeopardize the future of a joint venture with Panasonic, announced as Tesla moved to acquire SolarCity in 2016, to produce solar modules at a new factory in Buffalo, New York.

Tesla has an agreement with New York state requiring the company to spend $5 billion within 10 years. If Tesla fails to meet that obligation and others, the company may be required to pay tens of millions of dollars in penalties at various milestones, could lose its lease, or be forced to write down the assets, the company told investors in a May filing.

In response to questions from Reuters, Tesla said it is meeting its hiring and spending commitments for the factory.

In March, a Delaware judge ruled against a Tesla motion to dismiss a lawsuit by the company’s shareholders over the SolarCity deal. The lawsuit alleged Tesla’s board of directors breached its duties to shareholders by approving the merger.

SolarCity founder Lyndon Rive, who is Musk’s first cousin and left Tesla last year, did not respond to a request for comment.

HIGH MARKETING COSTS

The move to end the longstanding Home Depot partnership blindsided many staffers because Tesla had announced an expansion of the arrangement as recently as February.

GTM Research analyst Austin Perea estimated the partnership has recently accounted for about half of sales, in part because of previous Tesla moves to cut back on other sales and marketing costs.

Such third-party retail partnerships are among the most expensive means of generating solar sales, according to the clean energy research firm, in part because retailers take a cut of each sale.

The cost of winning a customer through a store like Home Depot can be up to $7,000 per system, according to GTM Research, compared with a national average of $4,000 per installation.

Home Depot spokesman Stephen Holmes said the retailer’s relationship with Tesla would last through the end of the year, adding that Home Depot would continue a partnership with Tesla competitor Sunrun in an undisclosed number of stores.

Over the past year, Tesla has stepped up efforts to sell solar and batteries for energy storage in its retail stores, something Musk said last year was “a much more efficient channel for demand generation.”

At the same time, Tesla stopped door-to-door sales, once among SolarCity’s most successful means of reaching new customers, and salespeople were no longer allowed to hold local events or buy online leads, the former employees said.

Such tactics are standard practice across most of the competitive residential solar industry.

The Home Depot partnership was costly but also integral to Tesla’s solar panel sales, a former employee told Reuters.

“It’s an expensive account,” the former employee said, “but it does bring in all the revenue.”
 
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Mike you're an emotional investor and buyer. You're easily wow'ed and amazed, you stand in line to purchase the Kool Aid and home game. Elon is hoping and praying for your type. He want's to sell you the experience and lifestyle. And you seem an eager buyer.

I do not invest with my emotion or heart. I only invest if the company is going to have a future. I am simply trying to figure out when to jump ship. Tesla is difficult to read as there are many emotional investors clouding the stock. So it is like reading tea leaves at the moment. All indications are he is in serious trouble with his vehicles and solar business. But that doesn't seem to bother those on his Kool Aid or his market makers selling the Kool Aid. So it's difficult to read but I am watching it daily and will dump when I feel the time is right.

I won't cry if Elon's vehicle and solar business craters as I don't buy into his BS. On a personal (and emotional) side, I would love to see his rocket business thrive and become wildly successful and I believe it will. But I an not an indoctrinated and emotional investor, only an investor of convenience and profit.


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Not that this may have anything to do with thec possible snags that the Solar Farms industry may be experiencing, biut the information I have viewed and discussed with people, is that if a land owner goes into an agreement with the Solar company, the land owner loses all use to the acreage involved.

With the installation of Wind Turbines, it is only during the construction phase of the project that thec land owner is restricted from certain practices, such as grazing livestock.

Once the windmills are up and running thec land owner returns to doing business as usual.


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Mike you're an emotional investor and buyer. You're easily wow'ed and amazed, you stand in line to purchase the Kool Aid and home game. Elon is hoping and praying for your type. He want's to sell you the experience and lifestyle. And you seem an eager buyer.

I do not invest with my emotion or heart. I only invest if the company is going to have a future. I am simply trying to figure out when to jump ship. Tesla is difficult to read as there are many emotional investors clouding the stock. So it is like reading tea leaves at the moment. All indications are he is in serious trouble with his vehicles and solar business. But that doesn't seem to bother those on his Kool Aid or his market makers selling the Kool Aid. So it's difficult to read but I am watching it daily and will dump when I feel the time is right.

I won't cry if Elon's vehicle and solar business craters as I don't buy into his BS. On a personal (and emotional) side, I would love to see his rocket business thrive and become wildly successful and I believe it will. But I an not an indoctrinated and emotional investor, only an investor of convenience and profit.


Post some trade sheets to be believable.

Mike
 
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Mike sorry that you are so fixated on me, but I am afraid you will just have to be disappointed.

I'm not here to impress you, only here to call bullshit on your ridiculous wealth envy and hero worship little man.

So just deal with it...


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Mike sorry that you are so fixated on me, but I am afraid you will just have to be disappointed.

I'm not here to impress you, only here to call bullshit on your ridiculous wealth envy and hero worship little man.

So just deal with it...


I like calling bullishit of a perpetual liar driving around Namibia working at eco tourist facilities while bull shitting on a hunting and gun website.

Mike
 
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So Mike please tell us all about my company and all about my history.

You pretend to know so much about me yet you never come forth with ANY information. So stop your innuendo and preach the truth for a change. What is my company name and what exactly do I do in Namibia?

popcorn


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You girls need to get a room!


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I won't cry if Elon's vehicle and solar business craters as I don't buy into his BS

Interesting. Elon Musk was selling himself. That is what people were buying. If he doesn't make it someone else will, like every single European car manufacturer, and the Chinese government!
Peter.


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