EO,

I agree with you on the BT. BTW, I shoot the SST's that have the Interlock ring. Perhaps it is the best of two worlds (fast expanding poly tip and penetration) in a bullet that I can buy and shoot alot without exceeding my budget. I know that the bonded bullets should have better terminal performance, but they are too expensive for me to shoot. I shoot alot because I have fun doing it and take practice and bullet placement most seriously when making a kill. I have a feeling that once there is alot of competition among the bonded bullet manufacturers, the bonded bullet price might drop. If so they might replace my SST's for antelope/deer. As for Elk and tougher, I go one step further and prefer the X's and Partitions.

Deke.

you can buy .308 Hornady Interbonds in 150gr for 16.61 from mid south shooters supply. the same weight SST's cost 14.47. Not much of a difference if you are using them for hunting

308Tikka,

Man that is a great price for Interbonds. Looking at my Natchez catalog, 7mm 139gr SST's go for 15.09 and the Interbonds are 31.39. Can you give me the website for those cheap Interbonds?

Deke.

Ray A. is a wise man (except for his opinion of my beloved .338-06). If the bullet won't exit on a broadside shot, it won't pentrate enough on a tough angled shot either. Bigger bullets, bigger holes, etc.

It's amazing to see so many agree on a subject in this house. Wow! I like two holes too.

My preference has always been a properly placed entrance wound.

Guys,

I definitely prefer an exit wound, I am like Elmer Keith on this one: "Lets the wind in and the blood out".

As mentioned above the dual sucking wounds of the chest help kill quicker, and you get easier tracking.

There is no such thing as "energy dumping" in the animal anyway. The damage mechanism from the bullet is from its mechanical passage through the tissue, and from material that it impels outward from its path. (See Fackler's papers in the International Wound Ballistics Assoc journal if you disagree.)

I also like blunt noses on bullets (solids or softs) because they make larger wound channels.

jim dodd

308Tikka,

Looks like you were quoting loaded ammo..... I checked for bullets and did not see any in 7mm?

Deke.

There is no such thing as "energy dumping" in the animal anyway??????
I preder an exit hole too but if I'm hunting near a fenceline a 12ga(or even a 223 Barns) slug quartering into the oposite shoulder will dump them like a ton a bricks.Fackler's theory must not take into account the bullet stopping on impact with bone.They may get back up but by that time another round is chambered and ready!
The nephew hit a buck in the front ankle(bullet bounced off a branch)last weekend,dead deer in less than 200 yards=the neighbors got him!

no, sometimes.

quote:

Do you prefer an exit wound?

Yes...absolutely.

While I prefer an exit wound, I much prefer a good shot that will bring the deer down right away. I haven't lost a deer yet, but enough of my friends have do to "bullet failure" (bad shots) that I prefer to have a hole straight through the boiler room to bring it down.

The only bad thing is it will damage more meat, but losing a half pound of meat as opposed to loosing the whole animal seems a good trade off.

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:

quote:

Do you prefer an exit wound?

Yes...absolutely.

Yes - much needed and like to see it.

I prefer an ENTRANCE WOUND... means I didn't miss

*** ENERGY DUMP AND EXIT WOUND ***

Most of this has been said or alluded to above .
However my perspective , goes like this :

The IDEAL Internal Wound Ballistics , -- is the concept where the bullet creates maximum temporary and permanent cavitation as it passes through the Animal ; -- expending , or dumping all of it's energy within the carcass , and just barely popping through the skin on the far side , -- BUT ! -- also creating the largest possible exit wound .

I know , I know , there's lots of INVERSE RELATIONSHIPS in that statement , but it is a theoretical IDEAL , at best .

I go further , and recommend a bullet / velocity combination that will take the intended game from any angle ( even the infamous Tex.-Heart-Shot ) , pass through heavy bone , -- and STILL make an exit wound .
( On dangerous game , this attribute becomes essential ) .

Why ? -- because if I'm hunting at all , I want to be successful ; -- and I want to be able to effect a quick humane kill from any presentation .

I prefer shoulder shots on any possible presentation , so I want a combo that will break TWO heavy shoulders , and still exit .

--- But mainly I don't want to pass up , perhaps the only shot of the day , -- because I don't believe my bullet will get the job done on an ass-hole shot .

Yess , there IS such a thing as " ENERGY DUMP " , but WHERE it happens as the bullet passes through the carcass , -- and how the "dump" is DISTRIBUTED , involves very complicated Physics indeed . ( There is possibly , NO chance of equating it to
" STOPPING POWER " , which is another
" soft " definition .

So when the poster ( above ) says there is no such thing , -- he may be right in a practical sense , because the tissues involved , as well as the brain , -- may not be able to
" read " the effect .

Yup ! -- agree with others , the Exit wound is very important , for many reasons .

-------------- MMCOUGAR .