If the 200 doesn't kill better than a 165, why do they bother making them??? Just think, less dies, less materials, and so forth. Why not contact Hornady, Sierra, Speer, et al and tell them they're wasting their time.
But the truth is the difference in trajectory at reasonable hunting distances is mostly smoke and mirrors while the carry up is greater. Giving you a bit of margin on angling shots or bad angles.

So is it your stance that there is no situation when a 200gr. .30 cal. bullet is better than a 165gr.?

"because people like me will buy them"

ROFLMAO...... You will find the real fools are the ones that believe all of the Madison Ave hype about the "magic" bullets that are on the market. Why do you think these pages are replete with tales of "bullet failure"?

Sorry, SJ, I believe I'll subscribe to the empirical wisdom gathered by hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of hunters the world over. I do agree with your "a bigger hole is better" statement but that's not what we're talking about here.

My point, quite simply, is why grope around in all of the Madison Ave bullshit when you can start out with a bullet that is unquestionably up to the task? You say you like the 180's in .308 calibre. I would imagine that a 30-06 with a 180gr bullet has accounted for more big game, at least in the Americas, than all of the others combined. But why a 180? Why not a 130? You say your choice is based solely on accuracy. Sure, you bet.

By the way, how, in that frozen-assed back-water where you live, are you able to determine what I am like?

SJ, you keep harping on the superior accuracy of the lighter bullet in your rifle. Can you say exactly what is the difference in group size between your bullet and say a Grand Slam or a Partition? A 200gr GS or NP? It would have to be considerable to my way of thinking before I would abandon the greater weight.

SJ: I never stated the BTs don't work, just that they limit your options as you pointed out yourself in "picking your shots." I think we can agree that Partitions hold up better. jorge

After seeing 8-10 head of big game killed by the 165 gr 30-06 Btip, I would not use it on elk in heavy timber where shots were close, The recovered bullets from this unit showed excellent expansion but ranges were all 200 yards. If Swathhopper is comfortable with his rig, and if Nosler has actually made them better over the years, then the 180 Btip would be fine for the medium-long range application. I will never complain about the logic of using what works, especially when you have the shock factor of 3400f/s and can shoot. I do come apart when someone choses a magnum, then cannot shoot- whereupon I come unglued.

Just to show how different some rifles are, I had no better than 2.5" groups from the 165BT 300WM combo, but had .9" groups from the Nosler Part in my pre64 300WM. As excected, this combo has worked perfectly on two elk/2 deer though the BT would have done the same job.

I am lucky that My go-to units group Partitions as well or better than BT and therefore its what I use in many/but not all of my rifles.



SJ and CNelson I assume you two are that bitchy for several reasons

You-your spouses or both have had periods/Pms

Its -28 windchill and you cannot get outside to shoot

Your at work and cannot fondle your custom rifles

Its about 250 days to elk season



BR