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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Jools(????) As for your highly misguided remark:

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Something of the pureist in me baulks at the thought.

If you ewere really a PUREIST(?????????), you would have your ass out theree with a damn stick and a rock, no damn gun, no damn bow and on foot trying to kill stuff. Just how long do you think you would be able to keep you PUREIST ass alive???? Not damn long I can guarantee you that.

So one has to be rock chucker in order to have ethical considerations.

Makes you wonder where some would draw the line.

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Originally posted by Jools:
Crazy

You can try and jazz it up all you want. At the end of the day that doe wouldn't have been there if it hadn't of been placed on that property , feed off that feeder and contained by those fences. Nothing natural about it. Semi domesticate stock shooting IMO.

If you enjoy that sort of thing. Good for you. If you think its ethical. Thats a matter for your conscience. If you don't like being critised for it. Either don't do it or don't publicies it.

I'm just glad that we have many options in the U.S. with regards to how we want to hunt. His thread title was "Warning, Not for the hunting purist!" So, everyone was forewarned. Anyhow, options must be pretty slim in the UK, and maybe that is why you have taken a dim view of this practice, but some of these fenced operations (particularly in Texas) are bigger than that little island you live on off the coast of Europe.

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Makes you wonder where some would draw the line.

Makes me wonder where some would draw the line!

For your information the doe and the rest of the axis on that ranch were there before the fence was. They were trapped inside when the fence was built. As free ranging exotics they are not covered under the same rules as native game animals are. In fact they are actually considered livestock as are all the exotics in Texas.

Back to the quote above, in case you have some real serious condition that prevents you from being able to comprehend normal writing, here is what I stated in my earlier post:

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Was it really what I consider a hunt......... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do I REALLY consider setting in a box blind/stand watching a timed feeder on a low fenced/free range property hunting.......... NO!!!!!!!!!!!! Do I consider using dogs, other than bird dogs for pointing/flushing game bird -retrieving waterfowl - blood trailing wounded game animals, hunting........ No!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also the title of the thread:

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Warning, Not for the hunting purist!

should have allowed you a reasonable amount of information to have known it wass not your cup of tea.

As for where I draw the line it is with pompous - pious self-righteous individuals who believe they work on some higher plane than the masses and that anyone that does not believe the exact same way they do is beneath contempt.

Fortunately, I am an American and a Texan. I am a firm believer in the concept that as long as what a person is doing is LEGAL and they can live with what they are doing and enjoying what they are doing, it is none of my damn busines. I do not care what they call the activity,. if they are comfortable with calling it hunting and refering to themselves as hunters, Good For Them.

I do not have to participate if I do not want to, I can form my own opinion as to whether I think it is actually hunting, and as far as anyone refering to themselves as a hunter, That Is Their Damn Business, Not Mine.

When you start paying for my hunts, and yes that is what I am going to call the trip to shoot that doe, then your opinion might actually mean something, as it is, it doesn't.

But to claim to be on some higher level as a "Hunter", in my opinion one has to put themselves on a level closer to the prey they are after. Firearms/Archery Equipment even spears give humans an unfair advantage. How can one claim to be a purist if they set up 300 yards away from an animal with a modern rifle and shoots the critter. That is neither hunting or purity, that is called an assassination, which is just exactly what I did to that axis doe, and, I had a good time doing it.

So, you have your right to your opinion, I do not agree with it which is my right, and as I stated above as long as I am paying for what I am doing, I will refer to it however I choose to and there is not one thing you or anyone else can do about it.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:

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Originally posted by Jools:
Crazy

You can try and jazz it up all you want. At the end of the day that doe wouldn't have been there if it hadn't of been placed on that property , feed off that feeder and contained by those fences. Nothing natural about it. Semi domesticate stock shooting IMO.

If you enjoy that sort of thing. Good for you. If you think its ethical. Thats a matter for your conscience. If you don't like being critised for it. Either don't do it or don't publicies it.

I'm just glad that we have many options in the U.S. with regards to how we want to hunt. His thread title was "Warning, Not for the hunting purist!" So, everyone was forewarned. Anyhow, options must be pretty slim in the UK, and maybe that is why you have taken a dim view of this practice, but some of these fenced operations (particularly in Texas) are bigger than that little island you live on off the coast of Europe.

Oh I know what the OP title was. Simply stating the obvious at the every start doesn't mean that crisism shouldn't follow.

We are somewhat more "staright laced" in regards what is considered acceptable hunting here. No intentional multiple shots at the same beast, no bow hunting, no muzzleloaders, mentioning shotguns is the same as red flags to bulls for many UK based hunters. Some I agree with some I don't. But one thing we all stand on the same page on is the ethicasy of shooting inside fences and then calling it hunting.

Gt Britain covers some 50350 sq miles (130395 square kilometres) small I know when compared to some. But I would bet not even a Texan ranch operation offering canned hunts would want to fence something that size.

We have a view of the "Straight Laced-Stiff Upper Lip British and their way of viewing all those that they honestly believe are beneath them on the evolutionary ladder. That is why we sent their royal high asses packing a couple hundred years ago.

Your critisism might actually mean something if I actually believed what I was doing on that trip was hunting.

When you start actually looking down at the screen, instead of looking down your pious british nose, you might see that I said it was just shooting, but I canm call it hunting if I want to.

Just one question for you. How many of you damn limeys drown with your noses tilted so high in the air? I figure your like a bunch of turkeys, got that head tilted back and nose in the air and when it rains they drown, are all you folks over there like that???

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Originally posted by Jools:
Oh I know what the OP title was. Simply stating the obvious at the every start doesn't mean that crisism shouldn't follow.

We are somewhat more "staright laced" in regards what is considered acceptable hunting here. No intentional multiple shots at the same beast, no bow hunting, no muzzleloaders, mentioning shotguns is the same as red flags to bulls for many UK based hunters. Some I agree with some I don't. But one thing we all stand on the same page on is the ethicasy of shooting inside fences and then calling it hunting.

Gt Britain covers some 50350 sq miles (130395 square kilometres) small I know when compared to some. But I would bet not even a Texan ranch operation offering canned hunts would want to fence something that size.

Few too many pints today mate?

Damn, my head hurts after trying to read that nonsense you managed to type.

IMO a high fence hunt for a fine axis doe is still more sporting than a trip to the grocery store ( in which you cannot buy the worlds finest venison) and one should experience or at least see a few of these ranches before they develop an opinion. That would be like me saying I hate Swiss chocolate although I've only heard about in a magazine.

Hunting is what it is and what a person wants to make of it. I just think that way too many "Hunters" these days are working way too hard to give the impression that hunting is some kind of mystic undertaking that must be shrouded in ritual and a supposed higher plane of "Ethical" standards.

If a person does not want to view what another does as hunting, BFD. That is their right, but it is also the right of the other person to participate in the activity in the manner threy choose, as long as it is legal, and call ity hunting if they want to, again BFD.

I am not a big supporter of high fences, I am not even a big supporter of spin feeders and box blinds, but here in Texas, if I want to kill big game, that is pretty muchily the way the game is played.

The thing people forget or cannot wrap their minds around is that those folks working to get hunting stopped, do not give an FRA about how hunter view themselves or how hunting should be done or who should be able to cponsider themself a hunter, they want it all stopped and are not going to rest until they reach that goal.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
We have a view of the "Straight Laced-Stiff Upper Lip British and their way of viewing all those that they honestly believe are beneath them on the evolutionary ladder. That is why we sent their royal high asses packing a couple hundred years ago.

Your critisism might actually mean something if I actually believed what I was doing on that trip was hunting.

When you start actually looking down at the screen, instead of looking down your pious british nose, you might see that I said it was just shooting, but I canm call it hunting if I want to.

Just one question for you. How many of you damn limeys drown with your noses tilted so high in the air? I figure your like a bunch of turkeys, got that head tilted back and nose in the air and when it rains they drown, are all you folks over there like that???

It seems like you just can't stop shooting yourself in the foot. Or should that be sticking your foot in your mouth?

"Your critisism might actually mean something if I actually believed what I was doing on that trip was hunting.."

"Over the Memorial Day weekend I was fortunate in getting the opportunity to go down to Rocksprings Texas and do a hunt for an Axis doe. The hunt started on Friday Afternoon, the 25th. and ended at Noon on Sunday, the 27th. The hunt took place on the 640 acre Koon's Canyon Ranch".

There's nothing lke contradicting oneself to make a mockery of ones protests

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Hunting is what it is and what a person wants to make of it. I just think that way too many "Hunters" these days are working way too hard to give the impression that hunting is some kind of mystic undertaking that must be shrouded in ritual and a supposed higher plane of "Ethical" standards.

If a person does not want to view what another does as hunting, BFD. That is their right, but it is also the right of the other person to participate in the activity in the manner threy choose, as long as it is legal, and call ity hunting if they want to, again BFD.

I am not a big supporter of high fences, I am not even a big supporter of spin feeders and box blinds, but here in Texas, if I want to kill big game, that is pretty muchily the way the game is played.

The thing people forget or cannot wrap their minds around is that those folks working to get hunting stopped, do not give an FRA about how hunter view themselves or how hunting should be done or who should be able to cponsider themself a hunter, they want it all stopped and are not going to rest until they reach that goal.

Too many semi domesticated stock shooters calling their dubious activities " hunts ", has absolutely nothing to do with feeding the anti hunting lobby all the ammunition that they might need of course.

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Too many semi domesticated stock shooters calling their dubious activities " hunts ", has absolutely nothing to do with feeding the anti hunting lobby all the ammunition that they might need of course.

Until or unless you ever try the activity, you have absolutely no point of reference as to how the animals on all or any of these places re-act.

On the worst places, it is domesticated animals that are being shot. On the better managed places the animals are just a wild, if not wilder than animals on unfenced wilderness areas.

In fact, from personal experience, I have found that some animals in truly wild areas that have little contact with humans are far easier to hunt than animals from areas where there is signifigabtly more human activity.

You don't like the idea that anyone would refer to it as hunting, Too Damn Bad for you. We all have disappointments in our life, not getting everyone that hunts on this planet to think and feel the way you do is just one of those things you will have to live with, So Sad For You!

Personally I never saw the attraction people had for dressing up in their little suits and getting on their horses and running foxes and calling it hunting, but a lot of folks did and that was their perogative.

As for this piece of tripe:

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There's nothing like contradicting oneself to make a mockery of ones protests

The only thing I am protesting is your concept about the use of the word hunt/hunting.

People can call taking a gun or a bow and going out with the intent to kill an animal whatever in the hell they want to, but the majority of normally intelligent people, even those that would not do such an activity consider it hunting.

Are you honestly foolish enough to think that anything you say is going to cause me to chjange my POV on the subject.

I am just as closed minded as you are, the difference is, I admit too it and I do not expect anyone to do things or view things the way I do.

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Until or unless you ever try the activity, you have absolutely no point of reference as to how the animals on all or any of these places re-act.

What utter tripe. I have never tried handling venimous snakes for fun.. But know enough about the subject to know I never want too. The same goes for shooting imported stock on fenced lands.

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You don't like the idea that anyone would refer to it as hunting

I don't give a hoot what those that do it want to call it. All I know is it sure ain't hunting, and those that do feel the need to call it hunting are just deluding themselves. Traditional fox hunting is just that hunting in a perscribed and traditional manner. Perhaps you should take a leaf out of your own book and try it. It started around the time we lost the american colonies and your ancestors were still scrabling around in some eastern european muck heap looking for toadstools, or an irish bog waiting for a potatoe to grow.

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Are you honestly foolish enough to think that anything you say is going to cause me to chjange my POV on the subject.

Foolish...nah! I long ago learnt there is nothing to be gained from trying to prise open a closed mind. The best you can hope for is to make others aware of the stupidity of the blinkered POV held by those of the closed mind.

Unlike you I'm happy to be persuaded by a well argued POV. Its not my fault that thus far you have consistently failed to meet that challenge.

As I noted on another thread you sure do enjoy talking out of your hat at times

Circle-jerk in progress here......

Just one question for you, Jools. Have you ever hunted/shot game/fill-in-the-blank activity at a high-fenced preserve?

Just trying to establish from where you base your opinions.

Please read my earlier post.

Oh to hell with it I'll answer you directly.

"I have never tried handling venomous snakes for fun.. But know enough about the subject to know I never want too. The same goes for shooting imported stock on fenced lands."

I've shot inside forestry fences, but I was paid to do that. I did enough of it to know I wouldn't want to pay someone for the pleasure of doing it and would I feel obliged to call it hunting.

I've also discussed it enough with those that have to know its not for me.

The question that I ask is would that animal be there if it hadn't been imported, feed , watered and fenced. If the answer to those criteria is no, then it aint hunting in my book and it ain;t something I want to do. It also raises a host of questionable and potentially damaging, to the whole hunting fraternity, issues.

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Originally posted by Jools:
Oh to hell with it I'll answer you directly.

"I have never tried handling venomous snakes for fun.. But know enough about the subject to know I never want too. The same goes for shooting imported stock on fenced lands."

I've shot inside forestry fences, but I was paid to do that. I did enough of it to know I wouldn't want to pay someone for the pleasure of doing it and would I feel obliged to call it hunting.

I've also discussed it enough with those that have to know its not for me.

I'm glad you did (answer that is). Nowhere did I read that you had or hadn't actually experienced what you are soundly criticizing. I was on a preserve hunt a long time ago, and I can comfortably refer to the activity as a hunt, even though the property wasn't very large (by Texas standards). Anyhow I hunted hard for three days before I was able to put an animal down, and it was no domestic beast. Not all preserves are created equally, and some are truly akin to shooting fish in a barrel, but not all. While I prefer a free ranging opportunity, it is not my right (as I have been raised) to criticize others for doing so. That said, if I lived where I have a short deer hunting season, I would rather shoot other game during the off season than sit around arguing on the internet. I get the impression -- and please correct me if I am wrong -- that our colleagues in the UK don't get many hunting opportunities and are restricted much more so than we are here in the States. Living in the southeast, I have the benefit of wild hog infestation giving one the opportunity to hunt (and yes, it is hunting) year round. What I am getting at is why not shoot game in the off-season at a preserve. Beats arguing semantics on the internet.

I'm not coming after you, Jools, just trying to better understand our members from the UK.

We have relative long hunting seasons when compared to youselves. We are not limited by any tag draws or bag limits. We too have feral piggs that are legal quarry through out the year as well as Munjac deer.

All of our other deer species, game bird, and waterfowl have set seasons.

Vermin control is open house as far as seasons are concerned with many uk hunters spending a great deal of their time pigeon, corvid shooting or fox and rabbit shooting through the year.

I personally spend a approx 80% of my time involved in one form of shooting or another , preserving or creating habitate, or organising shooting for others.

I think the only things those state side have an advantage over us Brits is in regards to your firearm ownership laws and the availablility of public hunting lands.
I was raised somewhat differently to you. I was always told that if there was somthing you didn't agree with, to speak out. How else are things to change for the better?

As said.The question that I ask is would that animal be there if it hadn't been imported, feed , watered and fenced. If the answer to those criteria is no, then it ain't hunting in my book and it ain't something I want to do. Regardless of whether it allows me the opportunity to go shooting in the off season or not.

I don't mind answering questions.So ask away.

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I was raised somewhat differently to you. I was always told that if there was somthing you didn't agree with, to speak out. How else are things to change for the better?

Things, will never change for YOUR interpretation of the better, because things ARE DIFFERENT here in the states. Muntjac are not native to the U.K., yet you do not seem to have a problem shooting them because they are feral.

What damn difference does it make to you if Americans are willing to pay to be able to go shoot something, and just exactly when did GOD appoint you the ultimate authority on deciding what is and is not hunting?????

Just a question here, but have you ever "hunted" anywhere other than England?

I guess after reading this thread I have to say I find it rather difficult to read posts by a person living in the UK that has no clue as to how tame or wild the animals might be on a particular fenced property if it is of decent size to be making any comments on it that I would consider meaningful! We are not talking about "canned hunts" that it sounds like you're expressing feelings about (I would share your opinion with you on those operations) and there is a huge difference like night and day!

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Things, will never change for YOUR interpretation of the better, because things ARE DIFFERENT here in the states.

Didn't Obama get elected under the banner " A change is gonna come"?. I have always understood only a dumbass says "it aint never gonna happen".

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Muntjac are not native to the U.K., yet you do not seem to have a problem shooting them because they are feral.

Correct they are an introduced specie3s. Now extremely wide spread. No I don't have a problem shoting them as they free range, they are not fenced, corralled, artificially fed and watered. Your axis deer certainly wasn't feral. It was semi-domesticated livestock.

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What damn difference does it make to you if Americans are willing to pay to be able to go shoot something, and just exactly when did GOD appoint you the ultimate authority on deciding what is and is not hunting?????

Ah, the old plantive cry of "who are you to tell me what to do"? When its wrong its wrong! Be it morally or ethically it doesn't really matter. Hence the resaon why such acts are impossible to defend in the harsh light. Hence my comment regarding those the do participate in such acts handing the anti hunting lobby all the ammunition they could ever want.

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Just a question here, but have you ever "hunted" anywhere other than England?

Yes. Have you been anywhere other than Texas apart from vacations or business trips?

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
I guess after reading this thread I have to say I find it rather difficult to read posts by a person living in the UK that has no clue as to how tame or wild the animals might be on a particular fenced property if it is of decent size to be making any comments on it that I would consider meaningful! We are not talking about "canned hunts" that it sounds like you're expressing feelings about (I would share your opinion with you on those operations) and there is a huge difference like night and day!

So what you're saying is you have to have done it to critises it. LOL Thats fine!
As I have already said. I have never tried handling venomous snakes for fun.. But know enough about the subject to know I never want too. The same goes for shooting imported stock on fenced lands.

I really do know the difference between canned hunts and fenced ranchs. I used the term in a some what derisory, tongue in cheek manner. My implied derision seems to have passed you by.

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So what you're saying is you have to have done it to critises it. LOL Thats fine!

Jools, I would take you more seriously on this, if you would merely pay attention to the fact, that your whole arguement is centered around the use of the word hunt, nothing more.

Does not matter that I have stated repeatedly that I did not view it as a real hunt, but as a shoot. But if I or anyone else wants to refer to such an activity as a hunt, it is NO BIG DEAL in the bigger picture of things.

It is an attitude that you and others on this site have expressed, you are welcome to it, but you will have people argue with you about it. It is like the use of the word hunter and who should call themselves a hunter. I am fairly sure you believe that I am not a hunter. Do you honestly think your opinion of me means that when I look at the trophies from my Moose/Musk-Ox/Elk and Caribou hunts that were definitely not done inside a fenced area, that I should be ashamed and not refer to myself as a hunter over going to a HF ranch and shooting an axis doe.

If you do, you are wrong.

No one is asking you to go on such a shoot, no one is asking you to support HF hunting, in fact no one is asking anything of you. Your stating opinions and so is everyone else. In the case of the doe hunt, you were not there, you have no actual knowledge of how the hunt worked, what the terrain and vegetation looked like or how the animals behaved on that acreage. Your just trying to get attention, just like you did with all your posts and responses about lions. You think that you have a corner on the market on how hunting should be conducted and how hunters should conduct themselves.

The truth is, you don't. You just think you do, because you Think that you are better than everyone else, well your not. Your just a human like the rest of us.

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So what you're saying is you have to have done it to critises it. LOL Thats fine!

No; I said it would be more meaningful in your criticism if you had been to a Texas high fence place, since many are so huge that you would never know there were fences of any type. What is your take on hunting in Africa? Are you aware a huge percentage are considered fenced private properties and nobody seems to ever mention that when making negative comments on high fences in Texas.

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:

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So what you're saying is you have to have done it to critises it. LOL Thats fine!

What is your take on hunting in Africa? Are you aware a huge percentage are considered fenced private properties and nobody seems to ver mention that when making negative comments on high fences in Texas.

That is one thing I have learned on AR. It's perfectly OK to hunt on high fences in Africa but place that same ranch and same animals in South Texas which has similar climate/terrain and it's a canned hunt.

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Jools, I would take you more seriously on this, if you would merely pay attention to the fact, that your whole arguement is centered around the use of the word hunt, nothing more.

LOL Thats what happens where you approach a topic with a closed mind. You fail to see the wider picture. My arguement is not just about the word hunt. Take a minute or two to compose yourself and re-read the thread. You'll see what else I have objections to.

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I should be ashamed and not refer to myself as a hunter over going to a HF ranch and shooting an axis doe.

You can refer to yourself as what ever you like. AFAIC actions speak far louder than words.

I don't have to be there to find the whole process unpalatable with dubious ethics. I have never commented on any thread in regards to lions. You obviously in your dotage have me confused with someone else.

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Think that you are better than everyone else

I can assure you that I do not think I am better than everyone else. Some maybe.

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:

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So what you're saying is you have to have done it to critises it. LOL Thats fine!

No; I said it would be more meaningful in your criticism if you had been to a Texas high fence place, since many are so huge that you would never know there were fences of any type. What is your take on hunting in Africa? Are you aware a huge percentage are considered fenced private properties and nobody seems to ver mention that when making negative comments on high fences in Texas.

Do you need to drink piss to know it leaves a bad taste in your mouth? You might, I certainly don't. It matter nought if you can't see the fences. They are there , you know they are there and everyone else knows they are there. Some might be content to participate in the pretence and side step any ethical considerations, then look for ways to try and justify their actions to themselves and others.

I hold the same views in regards to fenced African hunting. Geography has no part to play in my POV.

So where and what do you hunt with such a biased attitude? It appears you're saying that even if the entire country you live in was fenced that you wouldn't hunt. Is that my take on your "pissy" statement?

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Geography has no part to play in my POV.

The only POV you have is that of an anti hunting snob, nothing more/nothing less.

You want everyone to measure up to your standards and that simply is not going to happen.

You are the type of Brit that makes me wish that the U.S. would have let Hitler take over England.

Problem is you would be just as irritating if you were German!

Does that mean you won't be inviting him over for a good old Texas hunt, LOL!!!

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
So where and what do you hunt with such a biased attitude? It appears you're saying that even if the entire country you live in was fenced that you wouldn't hunt. Is that my take on your "pissy" statement?

Pissy?? What a clutz...........

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The only POV you have is that of an anti hunting snob, nothing more/nothing less.

I have absolutely no problem with free range hunting.

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You want everyone to measure up to your standards and that simply is not going to happen.

High standards set the benchmark, there is nothing wrong in setting high standards. I'm a realist and understand there are some who will never attain or even strieve for those high standards.

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You are the type of Brit that makes me wish that the U.S. would have let Hitler take over England.

Problem is you would be just as irritating if you were German!

Seeing as the german hunters are some of the most respectfull qualified hunters around. I'll take that as a compliment.

Yet again you have single handedly managed to reinforce the adage.

Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you......with eperience.

I again happily acknowledge your experience.

Not for the hunting purist eh?

well................




At the risk of becoming embroiled in this current imbroglio, Jools, would you happen to have a family member/relative that calls himself "Nakihunter" and posts in the "Crater" would you?

Best

GWB

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High standards set the benchmark, there is nothing wrong in setting high standards. I'm a realist and understand there are some who will never attain or even strieve for those high standards.

Some how, I do not believe God put you in charge of setting standards for anything.

You are a broken record, every thing you say is geared toward finding fault with another person/groups method of hunting. You do that simply to drive wedges even further into the cracks that others have opened simply because they do feel that other hunters have the supposedly purer view/higher ethical plane of what hunting should be, in their concept of the activity.

From your first post on AR, you have continued to press your anti-hunting agenda by attacking the way someone chooses to hunt or attacking American hunters in general and the way we feel about the sport.

Geedubya, Many Thanks, Groucho was one of a kind, to bad our comedians today cannot be as funny without being x rated.

I believe Jools is under the false impression that if the animal is shot on a preserve (irrespective of the size of the property), that it is automatically a farm-raised, domesticated, and tame animal.

Why are you gents playing along with this troll? Is he actually holding up traditional English hunting methods as the ultra-sporting ideal? Please, let's not get started about having drivers and beaters and feeding ponds....whilst plaid-clad lads unload from a perch(none of which I have a problem with and plan to partake in one of these years).

Stop responding to the jerk already.....he's an unapologetic antagonist.

I know it is pointless, butDon Quixote had his windmills and I need something to tilt at.

Then there is always this aspect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TytGOeiW0aE

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Originally posted by Geedubya:
Not for the hunting purist eh?

well................


At the risk of becoming embroiled in this current imbroglio, Jools, would you happen to have a family member/relative that calls himself "Nakihunter" and posts in the "Crater" would you?

Best

GWB

Ermmmm.....nope! There's just me manning this particular out post of reasonability..

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
I believe Jools is under the false impression that if the animal is shot on a preserve (irrespective of the size of the property), that it is automatically a farm-raised, domesticated, and tame animal.

You believe wrong then.I am under no such impression

Axis deer are not native to North America nor Texas in particular. They are not free ranging. Some might have been bred without direct human contol or intervention on the ranchs in which they are contained. However this doesn't mean that they are not captive stock.

I have said before, you can jazz it up as much as you like but it all falls down to these 3 fundimental and key questions.

Q1.Would they be there if they hadn't been imported.
Q2.Would they be there if they weren't artificially feed and watered.
Q3.Would they be there if they weren't fenced.

A1.No
A2.No
A3.No

Can it/does it get any simpler?

Axis deer may not be native but neither are Nilgai or Aoudad but they are all free ranging in parts of Texas.

Don't pretend that you know more than people that actually live in the state.