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I have two whitetail hunts for 2001 open. I have Nov. 7 and Nov.25 open for 3 day hunts on my 40,000 acre unfenced Texas Ranch. Everything included except license. About $200. for non-residents, and $100 pickup and deliver at airport if applicable... ------------------ | ||
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| <Gary Rihn> |
Almost 3 grand for a 3 day hunt, then *another* $100 to pick up at the airport??  | ||
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In Texas we call that a bargain! | |||
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| <Gary Rihn> |
quote: But then again, everything's bigger in Texas, including the price. | ||
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Im not gonna bust on how anyone makes there living, but. I've killed 140-150 class animals, and I haven't paid a red dime to anyone. I realize most of your clientel are well to do (city) folks, that want to shoot a good deer and say they went hunt'n (PLEASE). I just have one question, for 3,000 dollars do these folks learn anything about hunting or are they just buying meat & antlers? For 3 grand I had better dang sure leave there being the all seeing, all knowing, Zin-Hunter of all freakin time!! ------------------ [This message has been edited by Mark G (edited 08-24-2001).] | |||
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Gary and Mark, These guys are hard working ranchers trying to scrape up a living off what they have, now I'm sure they have the class not to condem you for the hourly wage you make or the prices you sell anything for..they are well below the average price for that area. If You two don't want to hunt there thats fine, but have the common decency to let them offer their hunts without such remarks.. I'm very surprised indeed that Gary Rhinn would lower himself to that, and suspect that Mark is just another cyberspace bullshiter.... ------------------ | |||
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As for Ray's attack on my personal opinion, I am not going to respond on this forum. I have e-mailed him personaly. I will say this, I am real tired of guys who are all Cock&Balls on a keyboard 1,000 miles away! GROW UP! ------------------ | |||
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| <buffalo_buster> |
Come on guys, its a simple matter of supply and demand. A $3,000 deer hunt is in the market because people are willing to pay that amount, and by the information I have collected on the net, it sure seems like a bargain. There are many ranches charging in 4k's and 5k's for their hunts. I am sure the costs associated with managing a huge 40,000 acre ranch are also a factor in this price. Even guides hunting the public land charge 2k+ , give a private rancher a break. | ||
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MarkG: Be careful of Ray. I said something about him being tough only when I was 2000 miles away. He came to my house, broke my nose, blackened my eyes, smashed my kneecaps and got my dog pregnant. Ray is much man!... After all, he's from Texas. [This message has been edited by judgeg (edited 08-26-2001).] | |||
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Well I just have to bust in here. What makes me outrageously angry, and I believe that this applies to mosy of the other commenters, is we dislike being priced out of the market. Hunting in this country has become more like hunting in Europe. The wealthy get the big game and the rest of us peons, if they're lucky get the rough game. (Rabbits and squirrels) When out of state tags from some states are now as high as my retirement check, well to hell with them and the boat they came over on. Six grand plus to hunt a der. Buddy, you can stick that where the sun don't shine. Paul B. | |||
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Well,I just was trying to sell some hunts at a better than fair price for that area...The land is privately owned by a rancher who is trying to feed his kids and wife on a dismal beef market.. I believe under the system of Government we have that is his privilege and I hope none of you dissenters ever change that..It is called freedom, its his land bought and paid for..He has that right. Those of you who would like to have all hunting available to you (which would also require you to let me or anyone else stop and spend the night in your house at no charge anytime they wanted to) must be of a democratic nature and liberal to no end...Borders on a hypocrisy in my book.....I suppose you feel all should be on welfare also.... My advise is get a job and change your priorities...I know a lot of folks that don't make a hell of a lot of money that hunt all over the world, but they don't buy big homes, the drive old cars and save...A lot of those good folks are on these boards and get accused of being high rollers...Besides its not a sin to be successful, but it does make some resentful.. ------------------ | |||
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Judgeg, The dogs lieing, he ain't pregnant, just wants to trap me into marriage..thats a damn pit bull for you!!  ------------------ | |||
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| <500 AHR> |
I for one would not pay that much for any deer! There are those that will however, to which I say OH WELL. Seem to recall an old saying that goes something like a fool and his money. There is a place in Michigan charging $3500 on a 300 acre fenced property (now I call that good hunting). I agree with Paul B though with regard to out of state nonresident tag prices being excessive. There is little us out of state hunter can do about that unless our brother hunter in those states tell their legislatures to give us a break (not too likely as this will increase the competition). Just my two cents. Todd E | ||
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| <Ol' Sarge> |
Hey Ray, Lighten up will ya. Gary wasn't blastin' you or the ranch. In the first post he made a frowny face. In the second was pokin' fun at ya'll Texans (wherever ya live). Sheesh Texicans! ------------------ [This message has been edited by Ol' Sarge (edited 08-26-2001).] | ||
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I just post these hunts on here because I want ya'll to have the oppertunity to take advantage of them before I send out the adds to Gunlist etc...not to get shot at...i won't do that again. Hunts sold. ------------------ | |||
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Ray. I wasn't shooting at you. I agree that any land owner can charge whatever he wants to allow a hunter on his property. That's only fair. But when an Indian Reservation charges $12,500 for a 5 day hunt, and then tells me he doesn't want Americans hunting the land, but the rich oil sheiks and german industrialists, well screw them all to hell! I've never been a trophy hunter. Fact is, I'd rather take a doe. Better eating Get a job? I did 33 years in a field that had to do with public safety, making and putting out severe weather warnings in a timely manner to keep people from getting wiped out by severe thunderstorms and tornadoes. I'm retired, and I took early retirement because the strain and stress of staying on top of situations, working rotating shift work, has done a serious number on my health. I've done my share. My biggest gripe, is I never was paid what I was worth. Now that I have retired, I would like to be able to have a few of the nice hunts, but like I said before, between outrageous non-resident fees and people who charge too much, at least for my meager pocketbook, well, as I said thanks for pricing me out of the field. Ray, I'm not taking it out on you personally. It's a general overall rant. Paul B. | |||
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| <Gary Rihn> |
quote: Just an FYI... I also happen to be a landowner. No, not measured in thousands of acres, but plenty to hunt on. And yes, it is free for the asking, to anyone that asks (in person), and is an NRA member. Over the past few years, there have been plenty of nice bucks (whitetail) taken from all around the area, up into the 140-150 class mentioned here. You might have to be a good friend to spend the night, but you are certainly welcome to hunt. As for that liberal remark, I'd be willing to show you my hanging chad if I happened to be in FL. (Nope, don't take it wrong, I did vote for Bush). | ||
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I'm not taking offense to your "views", what bothers me is I post these deals on here because they are better than average, such as my $1500 Leopard last year, My $9000. bull elephant hunt, and this hunt that is way below the average for that area..Specials that I know are great deals....If someone isn't interrested then thats fine, but to jump in a flame my offer is a little much. I wouldn't walk into your store and raise hell about the prices, I just wouldn't buy and considering that this deer hunt wouldn't sell to the disclaimers of this thread regardless of the price, I see no reason for them to even get involved... I do this before I advertise them nationwide and sell them...Thats the business I'm in..I do it here ONLY as a service to to the folks on this forum...I don't have to do that and I won't do it anymore because it causes friction...Its just not worth the hassle. In the future if anyone wants to know what I have in the way of "deals" they will just have to give me a ring... ------------------ | |||
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| <Juneau> |
Hey Ray, Don't let a "few" turn you off, when I'm sure the "many" (me included) like to look and dream about your deals. Look at my question on the African Hunting part of this forum "Retirement Hunt - Lion & Buffalo". Maybe when the time comes you'll have a deal for me! By the way, I'm one of those blue collar workers who doesn't have a new vehicle every year and doesn't have a big home. Definitely NOT a high roller! | ||
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| <Redbird> |
Come on Ray, your response to this( not alerting us to bargins on this board) reminds me of my old teachers who would punish every body in class cause sombody misbehaved. Don't deprive us of these opportunities. I had to get old before I finally learned to not let people who were uninformed influence my actions. Criticizing the high cost of paid hunts is one thing. Being critical of your deal tells me they ain't got a clue of the going rates. As for letting them get the same deal on a hunting license in Texas that I get, how about paying some taxes here or at least get their state to do reciprocity. Also, admitting you know the dog is a pit bull weakens your denial. | ||
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The dog had puppies last night. They all have white hair and little mustaches. Ray: Don't stop the offers. I wouldn't know about your Tanzania deals without this forum. I need you Ray.... and my dog is crying for you. | |||
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ray don't let these guys get you down so what if they resent the price there are plenty of folks willing to pay that much because here in north carolina you don't get a shot at a huge trophy buck or a chance to see texas, these guys are really acting immature knocking the way another man makes a living, i work at a gun store and every day we have some person come in there and you have to pull every rifle off the shelf explain all the scopes, and everything then he bitches about the prices and goes to walmart, buys a weatherby vanguard, and a bsa cats eye then brings it back to me and can't figure out why i stick it to there ass and charge 25 bucks to boresight and mount, then the scope fogs up, and he finally puts breaks down and has to put a leupold own it you get what you pay for, everyone doesn't have a cousin in texas who will let you hunt a trophy buck for free | |||
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Ray, Please continue to post your special hunts here. The boys here are dishing it up to because they know they will get answer from you. And all of us who read these threads are having a ball. I just hope the baby dog looks like his mother! God help us if we get a pit bull/Ray crossbreed ------------------ www.accuratereloading.com | |||
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I thought my past posts about the best and worst gun writers caused a "heated" discussion among the forum members. Man, was I wrong. They were at best "warm" compared to these responses From my perspective, 2750.00 for a guided deer hunt in a prime area doesn't seem too bad. We have outfitters in eastern N.C. who get 1100-1300.00 dollars for 6 days of semi-guided stand hunting where 75lb does and spikes are the only game available. A 130+ buck would cause euphoria and most likely immortalization of the hunter in the local press and folklore for many years. | |||
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| <Ol' Sarge> |
Hey Ray, Ya know I was just funnin' ya, don't ya? If the people on this forum don't know what it costs to hunt in Texas it's about time they found out. I have no problem with Texans charging $6K for a chance at a 140 class buck.....just makes the 160s where I hunt worth $10K! Keep on postin' your specials. One of these days I might jump on one of your African hunts. As for the fella that jumped all over ya and said he was leaving, all I got to say is "Adios." ------------------ [This message has been edited by Ol' Sarge (edited 08-28-2001).] | ||
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| <Paul Machmeier> |
Ditto Ray, please keep your deals and input on hunting matters coming. Myself, near retirement and someday will grab one of your African deals. Some guys don't realize what a great service you provide! Also I find your views on guns and african hunting spot on. Your choice of dogs leaves something to be desired, ever hear of retrievers! People just have to realize that hunting is big business now, no changing that, and hunts are offered in all areas, accommodations, species, etc. suitable for any pocket book. Some city folks and well heeled want ranch hunting and guanteed success, ie. ranch hunting. Not my thing but in Texas with little if any public lands, this is the only way. There are guided white tail hunts in Wisc. on selected state forest lands for trophy white tail where the prices are the same. Go figure! | ||
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Well let me jump in here.....a lot of us guys just don't have the time to run around asking for permission to hunt here and there or even to research where these opportunites may be. We do, however, like to get out in the bush for a few days to relax and enjoy ourselves and for me that includes having someone who has the infra-structure in place....a good place to sleep, good food, good equipment etc. Now as to having a good time and getting a chance at a nice size deer...I've hunted in Canada and sitting in a blind watching a food plot for a week in really cold weather...not for me, ever again. I've also given up on trying to draw a tag or switching to a muzzle-loader or paying the outrageous out-of-state fees charged in states lile Montana and given the fact there is practically zero public land in Texas, where you can see a lot of deer and hunt in nice weather (usually) my feeling is "If you want to hunt just step up to the plate as money talks and bs walks"....of course this doesn't apply to all of you who live in states with good deer herds or have your own property but most of us don't have that luxury. Bottom line is $3000 to hunt a nice size deer is really cheap considering the hunting market BUT I must say that the over all boost in prices is one of the reasons I decided to spend most of my hunting dollars in Africa and bascially hunt birds in the US. PS..Want some real "sticker shock"...take a look at what some are getting for pheasant hunting in the mid-West. | |||
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WOW!, This has really became a hotty. I too hope Ray will keep posting his offers (believe it or not). My Question to Ray while full of sarcasm was a ligitimate question. As I told him in our private e-mail I never intended to hurt anyones business, I just wanted to know exactly what are you getting for the money. For instance I know USO oufitters provides guides on "Public" land. So Im figuring a guy is going to get a guide learn all he can in 3-5 days, then come back next year and do it on his own. This is what I would do and my friends have done. As for the cost of these hunts, I never said that "thats too high", I simply said "I've taken 140-150 class animals on my own", (I e-mailed that pic to Ray, too) so I wouldn't pay for one. I would consider a guided Elk hunt, as I told Ray, I live in VA and don't have access to Elk. I guess when it comes to deer hunting I am just a "do it your selfer". I admit I don't take deer like that every year, but their in lies the challenge for me!! ------------------ | |||
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| <Rifleman7> |
I've been hunting now about 7 years in Florida, Georgia, S.C. and Alabama. Most of the leases have "affordable" and have yielded similar results for most all members. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!! If I had the time and the money, I'd buy me a Texas hunt and bring home something that may never be had in a lifetime on these "affordable" leases. | ||
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| <500 AHR> |
Ray, Please do continue posting your specials here. I apologize for sounding negative in my previous post. I for one would not pay much for a deer hunt because I am fortunate enough to have access to good deer hunting areas. However, you post many many opportunites that I would be interested in i.e. bison, afrika, elk, bear, etc. Again, my biggest issue wasn't your post (I had nothing against it). I just had to agree with Paul B about nonresident hunting license fees becoming somewhat ridiculous. Todd E | ||
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FOR SALE: 8 puppies, 4 male, 4 female. They seem to be a mix of a pitbull (mother) and an unknown, large, chubby breed with white hair and a mustache. The males are quite precocious, having, at 2 weeks, climbed the kennel fence and bred the neighbors horse, cow and chickens. The females just whine and bark something that sounds like "MasterCard, MasterCard, MasterCard". I think the mother may have some hunting blood,as the females are house broken to pee on "Rifle Magazine", but the father must not have "the right stuff", because the males just peck at the computer with their tiny little paws and piss in the corner when they hear gunfire. Males $200.... I pay you. | |||
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Judgeg, I would be very happy to buy these puppies from you, except from your handle it seems you are a judge, which also means you must have been a lawyer earlier on. In that case I withdraw my offer, as I just do not see myself doing any business with a lawyer On a serious note, how much of this money are you planning to give to the "father"? ------------------ www.accuratereloading.com | |||
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Saaed: With great joy, I sent Ray a deposit yesterday for a Buffalo hunt in Tanzania in 2003. That miniscule amount also will double as Ray's "stud" fee. The deposit was small, as the mama dog relates that the depositing device used upon her was very, very small, too. Unfortunately, as to me, beside suffering from Ray's "private(s)" affliction, I also find that my brain is not of much size, either. Ergo, I am a product of a fine law school which would have shrunk my cranium smaller if it were not at pinhead size already, my being the son of a lawyer (while, of course, shrinking my conscience to Johnny Cochran-size, too). Conversely, however, I now have a license to make my pocketbook large. A reasonable accommodation, yes? Seriously, when Shakespeare wrote, "First, kill all the lawyers!", we must remember that a fledgling tyrant was speaking upon his plan to steal liberty from his constituents. Killing lawyers would assure liberty's death, at least in Shakespeare's mind. A not so reasonable accommodation or happy prospect, no? I grieve for my profession and do my all to encourage professionalism and the ethical practice of law. Though it makes me very unpopular, I, not so infrequently, formally complain to the Bar and Judicial Qualifications committees when I see unethical practices. I wish more lawyers would so act. I firmly believe that deciding to be a lawyer should be a calling and not a business decision, as practicing medicine should not be a means to an end either. Maybe someday, honor will again mean something to lawyers (and lots of doctors, too). But, as Madonna said in a slight paraphrase, "(We are) material girl(s) in a material world." Alas, I'm one small voice in the Wilderness, I guess. What this has to do with a pretty fair offer for a deer hunt in Texas, I don't know, but I feel better now. Thanks, Jenny Jones... I mean, Saaed. [This message has been edited by judgeg (edited 08-29-2001).] | |||
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| <William E. Tibbe> |
WOW: I go away for a few days and the whole forest is on fire. Just my kinda place! Excuse me but? - Why don't you all just mosey on up to Wyoming and hunt on public land for free. More than half of the state is Public. You can camp just about everywhere. The Forest Service has cabins all over the place for dirt cheap prices. You do not need a guide - except in designated wilderness areas and those are not that many acres. And there are plenty of deer. Just thought I would ask? Kendall Dace. | ||
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Bill, Welcome back my friend. We would like to hear about all your adventures. No details should be left out. ------------------ www.accuratereloading.com | |||
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| <BigBores> |
I, too am a blue collar worker, ok, grey collar. I drive an old truck (paid for), my wife has a new car, well 1 year old (I'm NOT stupid! LOL). We are just buying the first new house we've ever had (but not large). I love to hunt, more so than almost anything else I can think of, except maybe spending time with my family. If it wasn't for the new house I would be all over Ray's deal for the deer hunt. I guess it's a question of priorities. I grow weary of the low quality public hunts (for deer) here in AZ. If I was to sit down and figure out exactly how much a public hunt costs me every year, I'm sure I would get pissed off. You figure, fuel for several vehicles, food, tags, misc equipment, travel time, vacation time, preperation time, not forgetting scouting trips (groan!)easily over $1000 for a 3 day hunt. Just to have a low quality public hunt, way too much competition with other hunters for tags and "spots", most now have no qualms about walking right up to where you've been sitting, or shouting to their buddies from accross the canyon "HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING?" What ever happened to courtesy to fellow hunters? We used to be (as a group), the most well behaved, courteous, and willing to help each other. Sigh, I digress, sorry.  RAY--- That was in my opinion, a SMOKING DEAL on a trophy deer hunt in TX. I would not have hesitated to put my money down, if not for the house. Do not let some immature little twits trash this site and all it has to offer to the rest of us. This site has gotten to be successful in large part to the added benifits of posters like you, offering hunting deals and packages to this forum. It is the quality members who will suffer if you and the others who post hunts here stop. The twits won't feel a thing, and they will move on to another forum in a few months anyway. Just my take on the matter as a blue/grey collar public land hunter. P.S. Judge, Sorry to hear about your dog, my condolences. Get her (him! | ||
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Has anyone beside me noticed you never see a photo of Ray and Walter together....hmmmm! | |||
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I heard that all the pups were diagnosed as having absolutely no peripheral vision.  | |||
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| <Don G> |
But those pups can smell bullshit a mile away! Too bad the market for BS is so poor...
Don | ||
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