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Took this approximately 175 pound boar at a distance of ~ 80 yards. He was quartering away and I was probably 30 ft above him. Shot tore thru the onside lung, destroyed the top 1/3 of the heart, a bit of the other lung and broke the off side leg.

Boar ran about 60 yards at the shot. He ran off so fast I thought I had missed and then fell down. Was still kicking and squirming as we approached and expired just as we reached him.

8.59 Galaxy which is Lazzeroni's short action 338. Barnes 185 TTSX 2960 fps.

Just goes to show you can shoot 175 lb animal with the near equivalent of a 338 Win Mag thru the heart break a leg and they may still runoff.







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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Amazing that from that range the TTSX didn't exit. But I know pigs can be pretty solid through the front section. Was there much of a blood trail to follow ?
Good shot anyway. Did you hunt it in Idaho or another state ?


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California. Blood trail was fine. Another pig was taken with 140 TSX out of a 7mm-08. Blood trail was also fine.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I have shot and seen shot hundreds of animals that were Dead

Run, most 100 yards or less.

Their lungs and heart were mush. Caliber doesn't seem to mean much.

That is why good follow up is necessary.
 
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Nice piglet Mike


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weight retention was 184.3 grains or 99.6%

expansion was to .741 or 119%


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Nice piglet Mike


Piglet...?? They must breed big in your neck of the woods !


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Piglet...?? They must breed big in your neck of the woods !


Just a couple days old.
 
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Mike, Very impressive bullet terminal performance.(Retained weight and expansion.)


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Nice hog Mike.


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I shot my first Aoduad from 100 yards with a 260gr Accubond in 375 H&H straight thru the heart. Ran 100 yards and dumped everyone ounce of blood out.


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Nice pig and great shooting Mike.

I was confused when you wrote:
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He ran off so fast I thought I had missed and then fell down.

So... did you fall down or the pig fell down???


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Kyler,

I am old and decrepit - 60 now but not that bad. Big Grin

The pig fell down. This was in Eden Canyon 17 minutes from my old place in Danville.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Animals seem to be a lot less impressed with ballistics then humans are.


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Nice pig!

Reminds me of the very first deer I killed. It was an old doe that I arrowed from a pop up ground blind. She ran 90 yards on a completely severed aorta.


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I've seen animals hit the dirt immediately from similar shots, and those that, like your piggy, run as if nothing had touched them. Some people theorize that it has to do with the phase of the animal's heart contraction (or blood pressure) at the instant when struck by the shot. Nice theory, but no one seems to have any reliable evidence for it.

However, among mammalians, swine seem to have the most "reptilian" nervous systems and go longer, further, and stronger after having been administered a fatal shot.
 
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Circa early 1970s, I was on a DIY elk/deer horseback hunt in the San Juans in Colo. One morning I decided to sit and watch a sloping meadow that had lots of fresh elk sign. So I tied my horse back in the trees and worked my way to a small hill that provided a good view of the whole meadow. I was using my Weatherby .270 mag. with factory ammo.

About 20 mins. after I sat down, a nice 4x4 mule deer walked out of the woods at the lower end, working his way toward the middle. I let him come until he was broadside to me and put a bullet behind his shoulder at about 120 yds. He did a complete backward somersault, got up and raced toward the trees at the top of the meadow, a distance of about 200 yds. uphill. I could see the blood gush out every time his heart seemingly pumped.

I went to get my horse & rode out to where I had hit him. Stevie Wonder could have followed the blood trail. About every 10 feet, the grass was covered with sprayed blood. I got to the trees and found the buck lying dead about 50 ft. into them. When I field dressed him, I found that the heart was mush.

I've had the same thing happen a couple of other times with various critters, including my zebra in Africa that I hit with a 180 gr. from a .300 WM. He did just the opposite from the deer, however. He took off running full-tilt for about 75 yards, then turned ass over tea kettle, doing a complete forward somersault.

And then, I've also had the oposite where the critter was DRT with the same sort of shot and damage to heart. Thus, I decided there's no rhyme or reason to any of it. Big Grin


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Sorry Mike, I couldn't resist. I figured you had to get a chuckle out of that interpretation though.

So, you moved out and the pigs moved right into Danville. I couldn't place those pines in the background, but thought it had to be Northern CA.

We could do no wrong and still get pigs last fall, but now they seem to have headed to crops in lower country. I'm seeing very few on my trail cameras, but a real estate client of mine that bought a little 40 acre parcel says he has up to 100 in his barley fields every evening. They'll come back to us when the barley is gone, especially if we have a good acorn year.


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I watched a guy shoot an antelope buck with his .25/06 at 200 yards. Buck, two does and two fawns were standing watching us.

Charley laid under the fence, I was 30 yards to the left watching thru the glass. When he fired it looked like he'd missed, the dust kicked up way off to the side from my view.

I said: "Charley you missed" "no I didn't".
None of them even twitched at the shot. A full minute later with no warning at all. The buck just tipped over and never kicked. All the rest took off on a hard run.

We'd walked about half way out there when the buck started floundering around. The bullet hit almost touching the front legs, just above the brisket bone and took the bottom off the heart.

Amazing to see that. Even though: Just once.

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Here is one for you.

An impala, less than 50 yards away, feeding towards us.

I shot him with my 375/404 and the Barnes 300 X bullet at 2800 FPS.

That is over 5,000 foot pounds of energy.

He flinched, stopped walking.

Turned around.

Walked a few paces.

Laid down

He stayed like this for at least 2 minutes.

Laid his head down and died.

The bullet went in at the junction of the shoulder and neck.

Went all the through his body, and got stuck under the skin next to the tail!


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Went all the through his body, and got stuck under the skin next to the tail!


With my blue wildebeeste, we had been driving on a rough 2-track when we spotted a small herd in an opening between some small patches of trees. Afte we passed them and got out of sight behind a bunch of trees, the Ph & I got out while the tracker kept on driving farther away so as not to spook the herd.

We worked our way back to the opening, which put us right at the edge about 150 yards from the herd. One good bull was facing toward us. As he lifted his head I put a 140 gr. from my .264 into his brisket. All four legs went outward as he collapsed dead right where he stood and never twitched.

Like your bullet, Saeed, mine stopped against the hide at the base of his tail. It was one of those heart shots that was just the opposite, tho, because it was DRT.

It was sort of humorous because my PH immediatelty says, "Look at me, I'm shaking. I've never seen one collapse like that."


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We were hunting impala for bait in Zimbabwe.

Saw one standing broadside.

I fired a shot at him from a 270 Ackley and 130 Barnes X.

We saw his horns fly off, and him taking a turbo charged run, straight into a tree a few yards ahead of him.

Roy said “how the hell did you hit him in the horns?”

“No idea. I was aiming for his chest”

We started walking towards him, and as we got to him, we saw another one dead.

It seems the bullet him straight in the heart, dropping him in his tracks.

Another one was behind and below him.

As the bullet came out, it hit the other one in the horns!!


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Yes, Hogs seem to be unusually resistant to bullet kinetic energy.

Saw my hunting buddy put a 140gr from a 7-08 thru both lungs and the hog didn't move, flinch or squeal, few seconds just begin to mosey-off.

We both thought he had missed entirely. So I shot it again just before it got to cover - My shot rolled it on its side it kicked a little right there and expired.

He was kicking himself for missing it all the way with me to collect it. When we got to that hog it had 2 bullet holes all the way thru only 1" apart.
Go figure?!


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Some excellent stories. I've had animals get center-punched and take off like a bolt.

Excellent, textbook performance from the TTSX, Mike. Love those bullets and I shoot them whenever I can. I'm not surprised it didn't exit, though. All the hide, hair, and bone in a hog that size - that's a tough challenge for sure.


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Just got back from a short hunt on which I shot 2 pigs. One a head shot at 60 yds - DRT, no problem. The second was a young pig, approx 15 kg. I was using some old Nosler 130 gn Ballistic Tips ( .270W ) I want to use up as I no longer load these. At 150 yds the pig was hit just forward of centre shoulder, went straight down. A few seconds later, got up, struggled uphill a wee way, down again. I could see lung tissue hanging out the offside. Its mate came along, nudged it to its feet and it struggled up to a fenceline and went down. Its mate went through the fence but the shot pig was reluctant. I was scrambling to close the distance and got held up crossing a tricky gully. Got to the fence, no pig. A blood trail went under the fence, down into a bush gully. I followed blood splash downhill confident I would find the dead pig. Got to a small stream and couldn't find any more sign or the pig ! Damn and damn ! Why couldn't that pig just accept it was dead and roll over !


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I wish we had pigs to hunt here in Minnesota.

Last years deer. 200 lb whitetail. 60 yards. .308 Win. 1 shot. Nosler Accubond 150 gr. Lungs and heart. Dead right there. Didn't move a yard.


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I wish we had pigs to hunt here in Minnesota.

Last years deer. 200 lb whitetail. 60 yards. .308 Win. 1 shot. Nosler Accubond 150 gr. Lungs and heart. Dead right there. Didn't move a yard.


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I wish we had pigs to hunt here in Minnesota.

Last years deer. 200 lb whitetail. 60 yards. .308 Win. 1 shot. Nosler Accubond 150 gr. Lungs and heart. Dead right there. Didn't move a yard.


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I wish we had pigs to hunt here in Minnesota.

Last years deer. 200 lb whitetail. 60 yards. .308 Win. 1 shot. Nosler Accubond 150 gr. Lungs and heart. Dead right there. Didn't move a yard.


You must not farm...



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