And as for making it easier for me to kill an elk they also shouldn't make it harder.

And as for how I hunt elk you couldnt even comprehend. On foot, miles from a road, no fenced game preserve as in Texas, and packed out on my back. Not just once but every year. I have yet to kill an elk closer than 1 mile from a road. And this fall in an area, with high wolf density, I seen very few elk or elk sign. And yes I got my bull.

For some reason Wolves and Elk, RMEF and SCI, remind me of the definition of a Friend and a Good Friend. - A Friend will keep his mouth shut, a good Friend will help you hide the bodies. (preferably of dead wolves)..........DJ

And as for how I hunt elk you couldnt even comprehend. On foot, miles from a road, no fenced game preserve as in Texas, and packed out on my back

Don't even think you know what I can comprehend or tell me about hunting elk on foot. I do it every year in the Sangre de Cristo Wilderness in Southern Colorado. Elevation starts at 9500 ft. and no trucks or ATVs allowed. And since you know so much about the RMEF I'm sure you're aware that they they are opposed to private game ranches where elk and other wildlife are kept in fences.

And living in NW Wyoming, you should know that a big part of the habitat the RMEF has preserved this year includes part of the migration corridor north of Yellowstone Park. Now, we're still waiting for you to tell us why you think they are corrupt.

That was a hot topic I started. Glad I did.

I don't see the RMEF as an ememy of elk. I see them as a fence maker not a bridge builder. The Boone and Crocket Club is no different. They try very hard to build that fence between wild game and game ranching.

In the past 200 years since this country was founded ( I mean the USA not Spain, I live in Spain but only because I am in the US Military), privatization of land has increased. It will continue to increase. We can't build more land. We have to utilize the land we have the way they do in Europe or we won't be hunting anything but sewer rats and ally cats.

Re-introducing wolves to the Greater Yellowstone Eco-system has hurt ranching, hurt outfitters, hurt local hunters, and hurt elk, moose, deer, and bighorn sheep.

I hunted elk in Wyoming in 2003 near Dubois. It's where my family has hunted elk for as long as we have been in Wyoming (since WWI). We had 2 bulls for 5 hunters in 7 days, and saw wolf tracks everyday. Not bad success, but not what we had before the damn wolves were re-introduced.

I didn't see 1 deer the whole time I was up on the mountain. I saw 5 cow moose, and 2 dead herfords that looked like they were eaten by a T-Rex with wolf prints all around them.

I beleive in Fair Chase. I wouldn't want to shoot a elk on a 200 acre game ranch. I wouldn't have a whole lot of problem killing one on 10,000 acres of native habitat.

The Ranch I hunt Red deer and wildboar in Spain on is 13,500 acres. It's game fenced but doesn't have cross fencing. I assure you the deer on this place are as wild as any where else in the world.

I see the B&C Club and the RMEFs roll in this on the wrong side of the fence. They are trying to build a great wall of black and white between all of us.

While Safari Club and the NRA are trying to mend those fences.

If your a hunter, and you beleive in our right to hunt join Safari Club and join the NRA.

Condemning the RMEF because they don't fit your narrow standard's is pretty damn stupid... their work has benefitted elk and elk hunters everywhere... what have YOU DONE to benefit elk population's and habitat?

What Hot Core said! I don't remember the specific states and their Governors, but several were well publicized in their vehement disagreement with Babbit and the reintroduction of wolves into areas where the people that lived there were horrified by the prospect of wolves being brought in.

Clinton was on 60 minutes stating that wolf reintro was such an environmentally honorable thing to do. Most of the relocated wolves came from Canada, and the liberal 'news' rag 60 mins. even showed several videeo clips of the Canadians, whose land the wolves were being removed from, stating --do you realize what you are doing? The environment where you are taking these wolves to they will far outsrtrip your estimates on survival rates and repopulation. These wolves are gonna do real good where you are taking them, you are asking for trouble--

Well holy crap were they right. Even the most conservitive estimates have wolf poulations far ahead of the original forecasts. The devastation on undulate populations is well documented here and elsewhere.

It has been suggested that anti's knew that animal populations would diminish and therefore hunting oppurtunities would be reduced or eliminated, and therefore that is why they pushed so hard for the wolves. I don't know if I want to give them that much credit (the anti's). I think they simply were too stupid to realize what would happen with the damn wolves. I feel that they think the other animals are to 'sweet and cuddly' that they wouldn't even want wolves to be killing them--in lieu of hunters or instead of hunters even. It would be good to show these idiots video of pack hunting wolves killing some of these animals, especially young calves/fawns or even some of the domestic animals these wolves kill--like my granpa's two labs and one St. Bernard. Killed in his back yard when they were out of town this fall! Confirmed wolf kills by animal control.

This situation seems out of control to one here in Georgia-- to those who know- is it really? I sure feel like I would shoot any wolf I saw if I lived where they had been reintroduced and ask questions later. As Hot Core said-- Curse the Democrats

Brad's right...I think it is funny that once a wolf, RMEF thread starts...a bunch of folks who don't even live in elk or wolf country, and who don't have a clue what is going on here except for an article they may have read in a hunting rag or BS TV show they watched, pipe up and instantly become experts on the subject and spread all their BS!!
As folks in Wyoming like to say "I don't give a f*** how you do it back home!!!"

The RMEF has done a lot of good for elk in Wyoming, as elsewhere in the west and beyond.

Yep, wolves suck...get involved and call your local legislator or write him/her a letter. Wolves in the west is not a wildlife management issue, it is totally political and this aspect of it won't change.

MG

The way we do it here is to designate wolf management areas. Where wolf numbers are to be lowered.

Chasing wolves on snow machines seems to work best. Legal in wolf management areas.

And designated teams of pilots and shooters works too. By special permit only.

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I don't know how well it will help the moose population. But at least we will get to find out. Personally I think the moose are grossly overhunted. And we will end up with less wolves and moose.
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The first step is to get the wolves delisted.

McInnis, they are fed in Jackson because people like you moved there and bought up all the land. The natural wintering ground and feed. So if people build and take the natural feed areas away, then what are the elk supposed to do? Starve? Or help them out? Some winters the elk aren't even fed till late, like Jan or Feb. The F&W let them fend for them selves. You won't have to worry much longer with the wolves thinning them out.

One single fact that the RMEF is wrong! They want to protect and help elk, (read the mission statement) but yet they publicly blessed the introduction of wolves. Wolves wont wipe out the elk, but they will impact everything.

You and Madgoat won't be able to drive around and shoot a cow from the road anymore!

I agree with you. I frankly like what the RMEF has done and their approach. They can actually win converts from the non-hunter crowd, and frankly that crowd is getting bigger.

If we lose any "rights" it will be because we're too damn dumb to understand the majority will rule. We need to be sure we can sway the majority, not just scream the loudest.

The NRA, the knee-jerkers, and the if-you-don't-like-what-I-believe-I-hate-you types can't convert any one, they repell non-hunters.

I'm still trying to figure out who kokdyer thought "we" were.

I don't understand the B&C any more than I do the SCI. We have way more organizations out there whose sole purpose is to perpetuate their existance, and benefit no one but themselves.

Brad: I hope you can suck up your ego long enough to refute anything I have relayed.
I dare you!
If you can't then just shut up and allow those that are concerned about THE FACTS regarding the amazing overpopulation of Wolves and what they are doing to our Elk herds in several areas, try to get the ball rolling in the right direction.
You bet I am emotional about our Hunting opportunities slipping away!
Aren't you? Are you in your infinite and calm wisdom even aware of what the Wolves are doing to our Elk and Big Game herds?
Or maybe you are simply not smart enough to analyze the present situation for yourself?
Maybe you better just do as you suggest and shut up while more qualified folks try and solve this particular problem.
Ignorance is blissful, the old saying goes, but I still hope your bliss is not interupted by Wolf induced lack of Hunting opportunities in the near future!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
PS: I hold in VERY LOW ESTEEM anyone who will NOT get emotional about this frightful situation with the Wolves destroying Hunting opportunities for humans!

MFH: I will tell you what is wrong with the statement of policy you refer to! It is green, it is short sighted, it is stupid, it contains no mention what so ever regarding the damage the Wolves are doing NOW to our game herds, it is self destructive, it makes no mention what so ever as to the amazing overpopulation of Wolves, way beyond even what the greenies at the rmef and their cohorts in Berkeley and Long Island, New York wanted, the statement makes no demands of ANY Governmental agency (state and/or federal) involved in the ill advised reintroduction of Wolves to the Rocky Mountains and their overpopulation way past stated goals the greenies and the governmental agencies set, it makes no mention what so ever of the broken promises said govermental agencies are responsible for! I could go on and on but you apologists for the rmef need to get you heads out of your own asses and demand that your beloved greenies at the rmef do something NOW to resurrect and save Hunting opportunities that have been lost and ARE going to be lost every year from now on - due to Wolf OVER POPULATION!
It appears that you think there is no problem with the Wolves decimating game herds and the lack of concern by the greenies at the rmef if OK with you!
That is very shortsided of you MFH!
Are you going to keep supporting the greenies at the rmef when the Wolves have decimated the Elk Hunting opportunities in your favorite areas? That would be stupid! And I declare it IS stupid to try and rationalize for and support the greenies at the rmef when they are glaringly misguided!
Yeah, just keep throwing money at the rmef greenies as they stand by and silently ignore the damage the Wolves are doing to Hunting opportunities and economies in the Rocky Mountains!
Interpret what you want MFH but do not try and get any rational person to support the rmef when the rmef will not agressively or even actively try and protect the rights of human Hunters to enjoy the traditional Hunting opportunites that human Hunters have fought to create and preserve for so many decades!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

VarmintGuy:

First, I'd like to thank you for the entertainment over the last few days...
I do have some problems with your irate mentality and lack of problem solving skills. You are very pissed off about wolves. That's fine, so are many others. Why not take all of this energy you have and put it somewhere where it might be worth a shit. All you are doing is bitching and blaming everyone about your lack of skills and common sence. Do wolves eat elk? Of course they do. Will hunting opportunities suffer if wolves continue to grow at the rate they are? Sure. Will your redneck, hillbilly dumbass mentality of "kill 'em all, SSS, fuck the government, etc" solve any problems? Nope it will not. It only makes us look like a bunch of hicks. You may be proud of that, but I am not.

Let's look at lost hunting opportunities-- Not caused by wolves... Outfitters leasing up land all over the place, taking high paying hunters and killing 6 bulls on a ranch that used to allow 20 hunters each year. Anyone who has hunted over the last 10 years has seen this. When I was in high school, I would knock on doors and get access to private property. I'm not sure that this will be the case for my kids. While much of this is due to outfitters who finally found a job they were smart enough to handle, quite a bit is due to landowners being sick of slob hunters trashing their property. What about all of the trophy homes being built on elk (and mule deer) winter range all over the west. Those people live in those houses a couple weeks out of the year, but still bitch when elk, deer, and moose eat their cute ornamental trees.

I am not saying wolves were a good idea, but I think wildlife has many more problems in the future, and the wolf will be the least of our concerns. Spending all of this time and energy bitching about a decision that was made 10 years ago is a waste of time and makes us look like fools. Why not take that energy and protest new subdivisions, commercialisation of wildlife, habitat destruction, etc. It seems that all anyone cares about these days is being able to have that guarenteed trophy, with little or no work involved. I blame outfitters for this. They are turning hunting into a rich man's game, and taking opportunities away from the average hunter who would be just as happy with a cow or a raghorn bull. Anyone remember USO? Oh ya, when a hunter fails to kill a bull, his outfitter will blame wolves, griz, or the local wildlife department for his failure, rather than admit that he would be better off shoveling shit in a pig farm than being an outfitter. That's all for now.

Well, I'm not going to talk about the wolves, but I did see that the RMEF has posted "No trespassing for any reason whasoever" signs on gates leading into State Land (not their private property) adjacent to the Double H ranch they were received as a bequest in New Mexico. (Tolliver, I think?) What is up with that? Trying to keep hunters off public land? The signs were on the side leading into the public land, and they were locking the gates! And they did not even own the private land on the other side of the gate!!! They may have leased the grazing rights on the state land, but they cannot legally keep hunters off.

They won't get another dime from me.

RMEF... Has screwd up more than they have helped. I once gave $1000.00 donation (not an auction or raffle) a gift of 1000.00 to them, never agian will they get a dime from me.

URDUBOB

43 deer: Get your head out of your ass boy! I have never proposed nor have I seen anyone else propose killing all the Wolves!
Your fear of "hicks" has apparently gotten the best of your interpretive skills! Now if you think name calling of me or anyone else will help stem the tide of Wolves and keep them from destroying our game herds go ahead and get that immature response off of your chest! I could care less what you call me or anyone else. Nor have I proposed "fucking the government" like you mistakenly stated! I do advocate not trusting the government any further than you could throw them! For instance just today a citizen in our US of A had to file a R.I.C.O. (racketeering criminal violation)statute lawsuit against the USFWS and the USFS and two of their employees! The two federal employees are members of a tree hugger society. They allegedly issued phoney assessments of land use that adversely affected the citizens business and aided the green organization the two federal employess belonged to! Go to lucianne.com for the unbeleiveable details! And here is another news account from a SW Montana newspaper of the fun your little buddies the Wolves have caused recently: http://www.bmt.net/~ddaily/
If you have a problem with outfitters then deal with it as best as you can! Good luck!
Just do not try and tell me and any other thinking Hunter that the Wolves are not now a clear and present danger to Big Game Hunting! You are simply wrong and way off base in that assumption!
You have no idea what I am proud of 43deer, so don't even venture a guess in that regard! You apparently think Wolves are no danger to our game herds and our economy? I can list no end of data, news reports and eye witness accounts that DIRECTLY contradict that myopic assumption.
I have a wealth of common sense 43deer and I would never think of blaming anyone if I had not been blessed with that!
You though obviously have a tendency to distort and assume, that serves neither you nor anyone else!
You are close to being right about only one thing in your ambiguous and rambling post (that is filled with assumptions!). Yes the decision was made to reintroduce Wolves some time ago. We fought it then and lost. Now that the Wolves numbers are way past the limits set by your green buddies who promised to regulate them once met - now what are you gonna do? Set in your play room and suck your thumb! Thats not what I am gonna do - I am gonna raise hell and make sure everyone knows who is at fault in this travesty and who is doing nothing to hold the green government types to their own goals and promises!
By the way your ambiguous rant of a posting was neither entertaining, enlightening or informative. Please take in some of the information I have provided to you (and any other concerned Hunter) and do something positive with it. Or, you can call me names just like a third grader with not enough worldlieness and intellect to do anything else!
Urban sprawl bugs you then do something about it! I think the Wolves are killing many thousand more Elk and Big Horn Sheep today than urban sprawl is!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Hey GopherGuy... I'm referring to your comments about RMEF NOT WOLVES (which was the primary thrust of this thread)... your emotion's are crowding what limited comprehension you apparently have. I suspect I have a hell of a lot of more first hand (read: negative) experience with wolves than you do. Nobody at my home is under any illusion about what wolves are doing... the question remains... what the hell are you doing for elk habitat and elk hunters other than shooting gophers? RMEF has a proven track record and, while not perfect, if you join it'll become one more person less perfect... capiche?

Brent you lived with natural occuring resident wolves, not an introduced large population. There is a difference.



Yes the thread was started as an attack to the B&C and RMEF. The point is yes RMEF has secured lots of habitat. But they also contradict themselves with thier mission statement and support of the wolves. They are supposed to be an organization dedicated to elk and elk habitat. Allowing wolves to decimate elk herds and not speaking up says they are pro wolf.



I am opposed to wolves, there is little we can do, I have donated funds to the law suit to delist the wolf, I have written letters to every politician I could think of, I have given financial support to many of those same people that want delisting to take place. What more can a person do? They are here to stay and if we want to bitch then we can bitch.



Hunters are thier own worse enemy!

And the NRA never contradicts themselves? I started a thread several months ago, trying to figure out why people could be involved in hunting and shooting sports and yet not be an NRA member... I'm about as conservitive as you can get, but I shitcanned the NRA from my donation/membership list because they are a bunch of hypocrites. I applaud them for their 2nd ammendment fights, and thought hell would freeze over before I cancelled a membership, but they have gone way off the deep end, after their president wrote multiple articles bitching about game laws taking away people's rights. I know that's way off the subject here, but I didn't feel like starting a new post.

Before I get trashed for my NRA post, I don't have anything against it's members, since I've been a member most of my life. They just pissed me off, so I decided to put my money elsewhere. Nothing personal to anyone other than Mr. NRA president himself....

Ahhhh, 43deer! "Pissed you off so you took your money elsewhere". Good and no problem with what you did or why you did.

Maybe now you fully understand and appreciate the position of many of us ex-RMEF members?

The RMEF has been a great organization and has done much. They have grown considerably with members from all walks of life whose interest cannot be ignored whether they be green or not. The problem I have with them (rmef)is that they are not using their considerable political clout/weight to publically state and support wolf control. Things are out of balance and it needs correcting in specific areas. They are doing nothing in this regard - NOW. Where in their publications are there any articles on the need for this and where is their advocacy - NOW? Hell with their Mission Statement from years ago.

Like you did the N.R.A., I did with the rmef and voted with my feet and it was a bitter pill to swallow.

God Bless Rhodesia and God Bless Ian Smith.

I like that!

I guess I don't see the RMEF as a political organization. They seem to be a wildlife conservation group who dedicates their time and money to wildlife and habitat, not politics. What's wrong with that?

But with thier money and power why not get a little political on an issue such as the wolf? It is going to take some big players to get them delisted. I can only hope our state can force a trump card.



Honestly, I spent 3 full weeks, bow and rifle hunting elk, (on foot) near where Jimenez was caught tresspassing last year. I was told, by G&F personnel, that there are 3 packs within 10 square miles of that area. I seen half of the elk I had seen two years ago, and I did see wolf tracks on several occasions. As well as one set of grizzly bear tracks.



I don't have an answer but some help from the RMEF wouldn't hurt!

I honestly don't see the RMEF as a giant political force, and I'm sure their founding father's weren't thinking that when they had their first fundraiser.

Personally, I would rather see my $$ go into protecting elk migration corridors and habitat then to piss it away at this point?? Once these precious lands are gone, they are gone FOREVER!!!!! Besides, where can an elk be chased by wolves if there is no habitat for them in the first place?
This whole wolf deal is in the USFWS's hands, and the courts. What are they going to do, bribe folks in the USFWS?? Better to just take the middle road and stay out of the mud.

MG

Pass the Black Velvet!

kudu56,

I don't think you seeing half the elk over a three week period proves much.

I see a 10th of the mule deer I used to see in the Sacremento Mountains of New Mexico. Doesn't prove wolves ate them. No wolves.

The bitching about Wolves in the Northern Rockies, Mountain Lions in California, or Grizzley Bears somewhere else gets tiring.

I have no problems with introducing game back where it used to live a couple hundred years ago. I find it kind of a neat idea to turn back time a little. I wouldn't mind knowing there were grizzleys in New Mexico (that should get all the knee-jerkers running around in circles screaming the sky is falling).

Before all the "organizations" wolves and elk somehow didn't drive each other towards extinction. People did.

The best rule would be to partition the U. S. along the Mississippi River. Put all you guys that don't like wildlife; elk, wolves, Mt. lions, bears, deer and all, on the east bank, and let you run your business to suit yourself. The rest of us will enjoy the West the way it used to be without having to listen to all the whining, ranting and sobbing.

What's killing off your elk is not wolves it's us two-legged jugheads dropping babies like bunny rabbits.

Get on the side of the wildlife and start buying up and saving habitat as fast as the RMEF before there is no wildlife.

I've gone back 40 years after hunting game to find nothing but asphalt. Must have been the wolves who laid the asphalt. SCREW THE DAMN WOLVES!

McInnis, they are fed in Jackson because people like you moved there and bought up all the land. The natural wintering ground and feed. So if people build and take the natural feed areas away, then what are the elk supposed to do? Starve?

Kudu, urban sprawl is a problem everywhere, not just in the Jackson Hole area. In other parts of the country, state wildlife officials manage the elk populations to levels that the available habitat can support. You are lucky to hunt in an area where the population is kept unusually high. Don't you understand that the RMEF is on your side here? In the long run, golf courses and shopping malls are a bigger threat to the elk than are the wolves.

"People like me" are doing what we can to preserve elk habitat for future generations.

KENSCO, Stay in India and keep your head in a hole. Hunting has enough division! Wolves are destroying every thing that McInnis's beloved RMEF and, many other wildlife organizations, have worked long and hard to improve and better.

RMEF can suck the big one, and the wolf is ok, in the sights of a rifle.

I said I hunted three weeks, same area, same time of year, and seen half the elk that were present two years ago. Maybe Aliens took them? They are not there, wolves probably didn't eat them all but continued wolf presence and pressure has changed the elks habits and use of that particular area.

The world isn't warm and fuzzy with the howl of a wild wolf as you think of as in a Disney movie. The wolf has made a negetive impact on elk, other game animals, hunters, outfitters, ranchers, and business people. The RMEF stated that they believe the wolf is viable part of sound wildlife management. Yeah what ever! Do the math on what 750 wolves eat and kill. The Wy G&F stated in a news article in the Casper paper, that the killings on the winter feed grounds in Wy, resulted in 10% additional elk deaths than that were directly killed for food. Stess, wounds!

I don't like wolves, I don't like the RMEF, and you won't change my mind with your BS. Trust me, I am not alone on this issue.

Kensco has some excellent points, unfortunately Kudu doesn't have the mental capacity to understand any of it!!

Essentially what you're saying Kudu, is screw the habitat getting developed, wolves are a bigger problem right now?? You're insane!! That plus you mention you're a freaking poacher too "RMEF can suck the big one, and the wolf is ok, in the sights of a rifle" again is proof that you're a bumbling idiot.

I don't give two shits what you like or dislike about the RMEF, wolves, etc....but if you are suggesting that wolves are a bigger threat to wildlife in the west than anything else, you can move your sorry ass back to where ever hole you crawled out of!! Once the country side has been paved over, built up, subdivided, roaded, logged, dammed, prefab homed, cemented, fenced, and raped, hunting ANYTHING will be all in your imagination!!!!!

Besides, if you're so concerned about your precious public land hunting, try to get permission on PRIVATE land anywhere in Wyoming...thanks to outfitters it is nonexistant...with or without wolves!!!


MG

You are a good democrat, you have the art of putting words in peoples mouths down pat!



Where did I say I poached? When you and Kensco get your head out of you ass wipe the sh!t off so you can read.



I hunt private land as much as public every year that I draw a license. The walk in areas! Have you heard of them? The Wy G&F buys access every year, and I donate to that fund in addition to each license I buy.

Excellent points? RMEF is pro wolf and the over populated packs of wolves in the yellowstone ecosystem is affecting elk populations 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. I never said that urbanization is worse than the wolf. They all play a part, RMEF condems urbanization but condones wolves! Which is it? Pro elk or not? Or just maybe, kinda, well, sorta?

Madgoat, I am waiting for more of your liberal rhetoric!

drab brad: Your ability to try and refute my posting is ill written, ineffective and ill conceived! I stated in my post many of the things I have done! And will continue to do! And one of them is to ABSOLUTELY NOT SUPPORT the greenies at the rmef!
To do so would be ignorant of what is going on with our game herds (please, you do something, something as simple as reading the news articles stating the game census numbers that I and others have posted - if you are smart enough to understand that 8,000 Elk now in an area is less than 19,000 Elk the year the Wolves were introduced, then you should be smart enough to surmise THERE IS A PROBLEM now!) and then, perhaps, you just simply ARE ignorant of the facts. The only way that you COULD be so ignorant and yet claim to be concerned about Big Game Hunting is that you are for some unknown reason CHOOSING to ignore reality!
Are you trying to rationalize and tell everyone that the F&G aerial census numbers are lies? And they have been since 1995!
Are you even smart enough to analyze the mild winters we have had for the last 7+ years in most all of Montana and that the Elk are doing amazingly well EVERYWHERE except where the overabundant Wolves are established?
Well those of us that have control of our emotions and can analyze REALITY have come up with a more universally accepted and endorsed cause! The WOLVES are decimating the Elk and other Big Game herds in many areas!
And the hypocritical greenies at the rmef are squandering a chance to really do something for the Elk and the Elk Hunters! That chance is to stand up and do something NOW, and go on record that they will direct their considerable resources, organization, political clout and their energies to holding the various governmental agencies accountable for their actions and inactions and broken promises!
Yeah drab brad somebody at your house IS under "an illusion" and that someone is you if you think your head is anywhere but firmly ensconced up your ass! Try to get that corrected soon and maybe give your greenie buddies over there in Missoula at the rmef a heads up - that, trying to ignore the loss of 11,000 Elk in one area alone and the loss of thousands of Elk Hunting permits (Hunting opportunities every year!) and their stupifyingly myopic, shortsided and cowardly inaction regarding the Wolf overpopulation is earning them no favor what so ever among knowledgeable outdoorsmen!
Typical immature and berift of merit posting there by you drab brad! You have no counter to my valid points so you resort to second grader tactics by trying to sully me (i.e. the snotty little remark regarding my being a Gopher shooter!) - I guess I could not expect much more from a snotty little kid like you!
By the way drab brad in many of the fields, pastures and valleys both public and privately owned I have shot Gophers for years and on them this season many Elk Hunters harvested Elk! I imagine that the several thousand Gophers I shoot each year would have eaten literally tons of Elk feed! So yes I am proud to get out and save some feed for the Elk.
And this to drab brad, I killed a dandy 6x6 Bull Elk (the second day of this years Montana Rifle season!) on a ranch I have Hunted both Gophers and Coyotes on for 7 years now! If you wish to see my nifty 6x6 bull Elk it is being mounted at the taxidermists place in Whitehall, Montana!
Try and do something adult for a change drab brad - call the greenies at the rmef and try to motivate them to SAVE some Elk by fighting to bring under control (as federally promised!) this amazing overpopulation of Wolves!
Thanks for NOTHING rmef!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy