If manufacturing costs "less than a dollar" per gallon, the pump price would likely be about what we're now paying for gasoline once the transportation costs and profits for the makers, distributors and retailers are added.

And that would be in addition to the costs of putting the initial manufacturing and distribution systems in place, which would mirror how the pharmesuitcal companies factor in their research costs when putting a new drug on the market.

So though this might eliminate our dependency on oil, it probably won't eliminate our dependency on money to fill our tanks. -TONY

DON'T FORGET MOST OF GAS PRICE AT PUMPS IS TAXES

TBEAR99,

Oh yeah, that too. Thanks for that comment. -TONY

ANYTHING to rid us from our dependence on the Middle East's oil....!!!!

"ANYTHING to rid us from our dependence on the Middle East's oil....!!!!"

Then lets get the hell started with drilling in ANWR and quit following in lock step with what the Kalifornicators force us all to do. But NOOOO. The dumbs would rather have us burn corn.
Bear in Fairbanks

Let's see. $1/gal to produce, sells for $2/gal for profit by the time it's bought and sold enough times to get to us, $1.50/gal taxes to keep the politicians fat and doing us favors plus newly formed "Department of Trash and Garbage" bureaucracy causes income taxes to go up to form task forces to counter black market garbage collectors from stealing our valuable trash. U.S. and Mexico go to war over the "natural resources" floating down the Rio Grande.

Alan

Ahhhh you guys are pissin in the wind.

Be positive, we'd save at least $.06/gallon at the pump! Be optimistic.

we wouldnt save anything because the big oil companies will buy every drop that gets produced to keep it off the market.

Of course they would, that's why they're Big Oil Companies!

Alan

quote:

Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:
we wouldnt save anything because the big oil companies will buy every drop that gets produced to keep it off the market.

Probably more likely that the farm lobby would force subsidies for corn based ethanol to make so cheap that the alternative sources couldn't compete.

It uses 2 bales of hay to make 5 gallons of of fule for less than 1 dollar a gallon.
Two bales of hay here cost 10 dollars per bale. I don't see where that would be all that great of a deal.
Maybe they are meaning two bales of straw. alfalfa is running 150 dollars a ton here.
I hope it is able to work in some way. Hay will not cut it. Using garbage to do it would be cool. Ron

quote:

Originally posted by TBEAR99:
DON'T FORGET MOST OF GAS PRICE AT PUMPS IS TAXES

NO IT IS NOT..
it's 50-60 cents tax...

it hasnt been MOST since 119.9 gas

quote:

DON'T FORGET MOST OF GAS PRICE AT PUMPS IS TAXES

Here it is .35 a gallon I think!

Nationwide
The nationwide average tax on gasoline is 46.9 cents per gallon as of July 2007, up 1.1
cents from March 2007. A summary of federal and state excise taxes and other taxes
collected on gasoline is shown below. The federal tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per
gallon. The average state gasoline excise tax remained consistent at 18.2 cents per
gallon. Other taxes add 10.2 cents per gallon to the average tax on gasoline. These
other taxes include applicable sales taxes, gross receipts taxes, oil inspection fees,
underground storage tank fees and other miscellaneous environmental fees. Adding
these taxes and fees to the state excise taxes results in a volume weighted average
state tax of 28.5 cents per gallon.

Regionally
Regionally, motorists in Western states pay the most in gasoline taxes, an average of
56.6 cents per gallon. State excise taxes in this region increased 0.2 cents per gallon
from the March report, while other taxes increased 2.5 cents per gallon, to an average
of 17.8. Together with the federal tax of 18.4 cents per gallon brings the total to 56.6
cents per gallon. Motorists in the Mid Atlantic saw a decrease during this reporting
period, with other state taxes decreasing 0.4 cents per gallon to 16.9 compared to 17.3
in the March report. Motorists in the South consistently pay the least amount of taxes,
an average of 38.4 cents per gallon with 19.3 cents per gallon in excise taxes, 0.7 cents
per gallon in other taxes, and 18.4 cents per gallon in federal taxes.

I stand corrected, 18.4 for federal and our state tax is .14 or 32.4 cents per gallon of gas. Diesel is slightly higher.

Yeah, it's neat and all, but you guys are all missing the point...

Ethanol even at $1.7/gal retail price at the pump is STILL a bad deal.

Why? because on ethanol you get about HALF the fuel economy.

STOP looking at miles per gallon and start looking at miles per DOLLAR when comparing gasline and other fuels.

Frankly I could give a rat's ass if there is cheap ethanol available.

What I want to see is cheap BUTANOL because I can run BUTANOL in my current unmodified vehicle by just cutting
it with 10-15% gasoline. (butanol has a low vapor pressure)
Butanol has 90some% of the heat energy of gasoline but also has higher octane, so a slight impression increase and you won't actually lose power or (much) mileage

Butanol isn't made from corn, but rather cornstakls, cobs, grass clippings woodchips, etc...

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