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ran into this band of rams the other day while spring bear hunting.
they were tucked in a tight spot, holed up out of the wind.
which one would you shoot?
 
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The one on the left


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I'd shoot the old, broomed ram on the right in the last photo.

Heck, I'd like to shoot any of them! I'll never have a tag though.....
 
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I'd want to study them before I made up my mind. Due to the difficulty most hunters face in drawing a tag in the US, and the cost involved for a good guide, I'd not want to make a hasty decision. Would be great to find a band like that and just watch them for a while. Thanks for posting this photo, I really appreciate it.
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We were driving on I-86 west to the Dalles and saw 20 plus Bighorn rams. Not sure if the area is open for a draw but there were some nice sheep in that group. Ravenr thanks for the photos, love the sheep.
 
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and for all who didn't moon
 
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I can't afford to even shoot an internet bighorn


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I'd have to wait until I saw the ones looking right into the camera first. Hard to tell with the one profiled (sideways).

For the one that has his profile to us - how old? I'm thinking 8 yrs?
 
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I can't afford to even shoot an internet bighorn


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Here's one I photographed a few years ago. Wouldn't take much time to make up your mind Smiler
Looks to be a keeper.

 
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Great pictures, thanks for posting.


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Posts: 402 | Location: Central Wyoming | Registered: 14 March 2010Reply With Quote
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I'd guess the profile ram (left) at 6. He still has his lamb tips. The ram on the right looks like me might be 8. Hard to tell from the photos. The single ram looks 10 or so to me. Maybe I am far off. Any ram would be a trophy to me.
 
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Is that the way this Ram would be aged?



Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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150-160 class Rams.
 
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I've got a tag & either one would be fine. I would probably take the one with the broomed tips.

My tag is for unit 16 in Colorado. Those are typical rams for my unit. There has only been 2 to make 180 in the past 20 years come out of the unit.
 
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mike
looking at the pictures and enlarging them,
i'm calling the ram 7 .
the age rings you have in place are right but you missed 1.
they are easier to see on the back side of the horn, and he would be my choice also, he has 16" bases and is in my estimate 35.5 around the curl, which puts him in the high 160s.
like to see more mass down low but wouldn't pass him with a fun ticket in my pocket.
 
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ravenr:
You oughta be ashamed for posting this kinda porn on an outdoor site. Some people might get the wrong idea. Great photos tho anyway & thanks.
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Here are a few more.







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This Ram scored 175. Much more mass and length. He drops well below the jawline.

 
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I never scored this ram, but was well pleased. He is a WY area 4 DIY ram.





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Posts: 4782 | Location: Story, WY / San Carlos, Sonora, MX | Registered: 29 May 2002Reply With Quote
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Slider, SBT

Nice rams! I'm jealous as the Rocky is one I still need for my slam... Dam these draws!! Smiler

Mike,
I like how you indicated your thoughts on each year's ring. But that second year's ring (right after the lamb tips) seems awfully long. I'm seeing actually being kind of short and the third ring being much longer. IMHO of course.
 
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Bighorns, unlike thin horns(Dalls and Stone Sheep) can have a quite a few false annual rings. Thin horns will get them occasionally, but the Bighorns are notorious for them. That's why BC went to full curl instead of age requirements. Judges were letting hunters off that shot too young of rams because they claimed you had to be a biologist to age a ram properly due to false annuals.
I'm not disagreeing with anyones thoughts on the age of these rams but counting rings at distance isn't always accurate.
 
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All,

My estimate of rings is an absolute guesstimate...I have never even attempted to age a ram prior to looking at these pictures.

When MC said he thought the ram was 6, I thought how do they age rams...so I did a little research on the internet and saw some examples.

I also saw what Alaska Hunter was talking about because I was looking at examples thinking why does that dark ring count but this other one doesn't.

So I just said well, assume MC is right and let me see if I can find six rings.

You could tell me it was 8 or 4 and I wouldn't argue with you.


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Mike, you are welcome to follow me off a cliff anytime! haha

I am no expert and was giving my best guess. 6 or 7- just give me tag! That little ram in front of the scraggly ewe-- I guess 4.
 
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I know nothing about these scores but the bases on SBT's ram look massive to me. I know the tips on his ram are somewhat broomed but they still look awfully thick.


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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cannot tell you.

first ours are thinhorn and even if there is a draw most are just over the counter tags ...
 
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What is easiest way to post a picture from my computer. Have a couple of the desert variety to post.
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Here are some rams I took pics of this winter. I hope to find one like this while I am on my sheep hunt this fall!!









 
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Alberta rams have no rivals.


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Cadomin crankers. Insanely big sheep.
 
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Magnificent creatures!!!!!
but how many "hunters" want to hunt sheep by sitting on the line, waiting for one of these to "stray" out of the park???
 
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Magnificent creatures!!!!!
but how many "hunters" want to hunt sheep by sitting on the line, waiting for one of these to "stray" out of the park???


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