Using scopes to glass
Multiple shots for ranging live game
Shooting unzeroed rifle at game

OK I know look at the plank in my own eye before I go looking for the speck of sawdust in someone elses. I did something not really acceptable yesterday but the point is I knew it was unnaceptable and I will not say what it was still less boast about it. That's what gets me about these. The posters don't seem to know these are unnaceptable practices in most peoples eyes.

What did you do, have red wine with fish?

I think that many of these things are because the person does not know any better, i.e. they are still learning and not simply choosing to do something unethical or dangerous. I think the best way to combat it is to point something out that should be done differently, and politely and respectfully give the reasons why it should be done differently.

I suppose it is in how you look at these things, but I think that it shows that there are new people joining the shooting and hunting recreations, which I see as a healthy sign. It is just up to us to help the newbies be safe and ethical......

Mark,
In the U.S., it is acceptable to have red wine with salmon or tuna steaks (yes, we're uncultured barbarians; you want to make something of it? )

George

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Shoot straight, shoot often, but by all means, use enough gun!

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
Mark,
In the U.S., it is acceptable to have red wine with salmon or tuna steaks
George

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I believe it is also acceptable to drink Boone's Farm with fried catfish.

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God Bless and Shoot Straight

All rules have boundaries that are presumably set well back from the danger point for good reason, and we can all argue that we didn't step into "real" danger. From that perspective, spotting a known quadraped to identify positively whether it is shootable, domestic or not even a coyote, is not bad practice. A whole lot different is the guy who watches you through his scope and justifies it with "unloaded," "safety on," "finger off trigger" or "target off centre."

No?

I think many of us have done foolish things. In some instances you know right away it wasn't good, other times it takes a while.

Canuck

Go to Wal-Mart, get a pair of $15 lightweight binoculars, and hang them on your neck when you're hunting. It's not that much more effort.

One heck of a lot cheaper than hiring a lawyer to defend you.

Tim
(Hunter Education Instructor)

Recono, you want to make something of it?!?!?!

Isn't assault with a deadly weapon a felony?

Don't think looking at someone with a 15 clam tasco is.

Yes, each and every time I go hunting I look through those cheap $15 binoculars (I got them through cheaperthandirt.com, though, not Wally-World.) They work just fine for identifying game. Just 12 days ago I used them to confirm what I already thought I saw, that what I saw 130 yards off at 27 minutes past sunset (in Kansas you can hunt until 30 minutes after sunset) was indeed a whitetail deer. Only then did I bring the rifle to bear.

I believe it is unethical and irresponsible to look for game through the lens of your scope.

You can do what you want. I can't stop anyone from looking for game with their scope. But I guarantee the words will be stronger and officers of the law will be summoned if I ever have anyone looking at me through the scope of their rifle.

Tim

To all you badasses who will shoot back at anyone glassing you. If I want to shoot you will be dead before you get a chance to take cover and fire back! Gee whiz what hot heads. By the way, I hunt mostly my own land so if I am targeting you it isn't assault with a deadly weapon it is getting rid of a trespasser.

Kent

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Originally posted by glenn:
.....I'm a beer and BBQ guy myself - but it ain't all right to glass with a scope.

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Hey glenn, Just seems to me that a person who tries to use a "scope for a glass" will spill most of his Pabst Blue Ribbon, or at least I believe us "REAL" BBQ experts in the Belmont - Mt Holly area would!

Once Deer Season ends in the Lowcountry, you will have to come on down and go to the range with me sometime. P.S. Bring BBQ money!!!

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Good hunting and clean 1-shot kills, Hot Core

I never said I'd shoot back at anyone pointing at me. That would be more irresponsible than pointing a gun at a human being you don't want to shoot.

Like I said in the previous post. It's irresponsible to use your scope to look for game. I don't care whose land you're on.

Scopes don't give you much peripheral vision. While you're panning your rifle to look for what you're looking for, be it deer, coyotes, or prairie dogs, things you don't expect to see might come into your field of view. If it's standing on two feet or wearing an orange vest, you've just committed a crime. The judge won't care a bit that you were on your own land hunting.

There are those who will take on the "Good-ol' boy" argument of "I've been hunting that way for years... never had any problems."

That argument is hogwash. Wrong is wrong, doesn't matter how long you've been doing it.

As hunters, if we want to be able to continue to enjoy this sport, we need to do the right thing. Even if that means changing our ways. The non-hunting public represents a bigger share of the population than we do, and if we do stupid things, they change from not caring what we do, to not liking what we do. Then our sport is in jeaopardy.

Hunting is a safe sport, and it's getting safer. If you stand back a bit and look at this with an open mind, you'll see it's for the good of the sport.

I'll step down from my soap box now.

Tim

In fact, lookin' forwrd to it. Be aware, tho,' I can knock the eye out of a bull-frog at 12 to 15 yards almost every time with my .38-55! Open sights of course.

But, I'll be back up in the Carolinas before Christmas and end the Deer Season in the Lowcountry 1Jan02.

Then beginning 2Jan02, Gun Swappin' Season runs until about 28Feb02 (for me). May want to try out a Weatherby Ultra-Lightweight in either 308Win or 30-06. Just depends on the best "Deal".

1Mar02 - 14Aug02 is our SERIOUS range time. Only thing to keep me from going then is mowing Deer Trails, Limb-Trimming, Stand maintenance and a FL sweetie.

Even have a buddy who is joining a Shooting Club right off "Sam Wilson", maybe Exit 28 or 29 off I-85. That would be about a 7 minute drive for me. I normally go to the Woods Ferry Range located Southeast of Chester. Nice people there and a fairly well maintained range.

I'll email you once I get back and we can get together. Maybe go stare at the Catfish over in the Bass Pro Shop tank. Isn't there a BBQ house just across I-85 from it?!?!?! HA

For all you folks debating the binoculars vs. looking through the scope, the choice seems relatively simple to me. But, one other thing you all have not mentioned is being able to actually "see" Deer with binoculars that are nearly impossible to see with a scope.

Had a Doe pop out of a woods 235yds from me across a disked corn field this year. She sure looked prissy with all the tail wigglin' and "Come-On BIG Boy" looks over her shoulder. I was watching her through a VariX-III and just happened to notice an antler tip off in the woods past her.

Picked up the 10x50 Wind River Leupolds and was able to "focus past" the edge of the woods and onto the TROPHY WHOPPER Buck. Without the binoculars, I could not have seen past the understory to assess this Buck.

Glad I had the binoculars and the happy ending. So, I can heartily endorse the 10x50 Poro Prisim Wind River center focus binoculars. They even survived a "first-time-on-the-neck" crash into a steel Deer Tower. (The guy responsible for that will remain nameless so as not to embarrass ME!!!) I think they were $199.95 at the "Bass Pro Shop Annual Fall SALE. Well worth the money for me.

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Good hunting and clean 1-shot kills, Hot Core

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God Bless and Shoot Straight

[This message has been edited by the444shooter (edited 12-20-2001).]

Have a great Holiday. Later...glenn

In one of our Stands, I can see 2 miles in one direction and 1 mile in the other. Granted, that is short stuff by the distances folks out West can view. The vast majority of our Deer are killed during AM & PM twilight, so distances are typically short. Well under 400yds for 99.99% of the shots attempted, 97% under 300yds and probably 94% 200yds or less.

And, most of our Deer are REAL small compared to the HUGE Western Deer. Just another reason that we have to be better shots! HAHAHA

I do hunt some private property where using a scope to do all your viewing would not be a hazzard to anyone - except a Poacher. I just can't hold the rifle scope as steady off-hand long enough anymore to make it worthwhile for just looking around. Grab the binoculars and then use one finger on each hand to grasp the "bill" on my cap, and it is really steady. So, I'd feel very handicapped without binoculars.

One "Hot Tip" on binoculars is to try them before buying. Just because the specifications look good, it doesn't mean a thing. I went to the Bass Pro Shop(up near glenn) and compared probably 35 pair prior to selecting the Wind Rivers for my use. That building has a tall ceiling which created some dark corners far off in the rafters and that is where I would compare them. Binoculars that "apparently" had better qualities than the WRs just didn't work as well for me. For someone else, a different pair might fit his needs better though. So, even if you have to drive a long distance to do a side-by-side comparison, it is well worth it.

Hey glenn, That is the place I'm talking about. I feel sure we will enjoy getting together and swapping some stories. Of course, you will have to take it easy on and old fellow who can barely see the scope let alone the 100yd targets. Do you shoot at gnats on flys out there or what? HAHAHA

Merry Christmas to all you folks.

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Good hunting and clean 1-shot kills, Hot Core