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$1200 for a trophy like that? What a deal! D'you think I should use a .460 or will the .378 be adequate in the event of a charge? You know, they say that the cows are more aggressive than the bulls?  analog_peninsula analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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It is best to shoot her in the udder and wound her. Then approach her from the front. that way "she decides how she will die" Use the big gun she has a large udder.  | |||
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Maybe so...but this isn't a problem with Canada or the US...it is a problem with unethical people...and it is dangerous & nauseating.   Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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How big is big? I remember any bull that was 320 or more was big. Now the Big is 400", plus or minus a few inches. Utah has had 13 or more bulls shot this fall that went over 400". Wild elk. But well managed elk. That bull posted above looks like it came from that game ranch in Idaho that is high fenced. | |||
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I must have missed something here. Some guy killed a huge elk. I haven't seen that he claimed a free range hunt. Did he? If he didn't, why is everyone so pissed? | |||
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Did you guys see the Mulie at the bottom of the B&C page!! WOW!  | |||
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Doesn't the claim of new world record exclude farm animals and high fences as well as imply fair-chase tactics? I think everyone is so pissed because this kind of crap will spell the end of hunting as we know it. Money will speak yet again. Correct me if I'm wrong! Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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Did you guys see the Mulie at the bottom of the B&C page!! WOW! Yes I did & that is what I thought... WOW!!!  | |||
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The heading "New World Record" on this thread was posted by GA Deer Hunter not by the shooter. GA said a friend sent him the pic. The guy paid big bucks to shoot an elk behind a fence. As long as HE doesn't claim a record, I don't have any problems with that. You are correct, it would not qualify for B&C records. | |||
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I guess the heading should have been "New World Record???" Please believe me when I tell you I was not claiming a New World Record had been shot. The picture is all over the internet and I just wanted to know if you guys had seen it and could confirm or deny the validity of the picture. The elk in question is definitely huge, but I guess it's easy to grow them that way when they are pen raised. | |||
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A trophy that is bought and not earned is not a trophy. This should be classified in the same category as a slaughterhouse. Under NO circumstances should it be associated with or called hunting. It is not hunting...it is just killing. To each his own, but I will not share a campfire with a person such as the one who killed this animal. I have watched hunting go from a widely popular sport to a rich man's ego trip. I grew up hunting and the only cost involved was the cost of personal equipment and transportation. Oh yeah, sometimes we had to clean a barn or fix fence (or whatever) to gain permission to hunt. Some of that is still around. Paying for antler size nauseates me as do the people who pay for it. Call it what you like, but DON'T call it hunting! Nothing could be further from the truth. I am through with this thread as it is disgusting. Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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The best part of this thread is getting to see that mulie. What a hell of a deer! Definitely one of a kind and how high would that rack look running away from you? That might give a guy some buck fever. A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
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What my trophy cow hunt behind low fences is not the best part of this thread? Ron | |||
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I thought it was, damn things probly had mad cow disease anyway. (Self defense?) ------------------------------------ Originally posted by BART185 I've had another member on this board post an aireal photograph of my neighborhood,post my wifes name,dig up old ads on GunsAmerica,call me out on everything that I posted. Hell,obmuteR told me to FIST MYSELF. But you are the biggest jackass that I've seen yet, on this board! -------------------------------------- -Ratboy | |||
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I'll start out by saying I have absolutely nothing to do with this elk nor the way it was hunted. Regarding "World Record", I believe SCI allows trophies taken behind high wire, yes?? I happened to be included in some mail traffic regarding this animal, and one of the participants asked me to post the following, which I will happily do on his behalf without accepting responsibility for the content or any ethical question implied by it. I thought it might be interesting to have some light shed on what actually happened with this bull (and apparent others in the same size class):
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Hope this might be of interest. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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Again, AC Recurve has hit the nail on the head. Good comments Andy. Again, this is what pisses me off about the whole "fence" thing....time and again these folks will pass it off as a fair chase kill and damnit it just ain't so. It has gotten to the point that I don't even bring pics of my elk to the local bow and gun shops when requested because of all the other pics there with ear tagged elk and the comments to the effect: "Gosh, why isn't yours as big?". It just ain't worth the trouble. | |||
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I used to subscribe to Big Game Adventures,but they do a great deal of canned shoots now.I prefer to read about real hunting,so I dropped my subscription. | |||
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What troubles me is that this guy from BGA seems "upset" that pictures are circulating that somehow "diminish" the "three SCI world records" that came out of Canada this fall. All three of which were evidently shot in a pen, albeit by different implements. Does SCI recognize this type of Bull bleep? The cry from true hunters and sportsmen should be loud and long that all canned hunting should be made illegal and game ranches (especially in the US and Canada) run out of business. The trouble Idaho is presently having trying to run down farmed elk that may have disease and altered genetics from a break in a fence only goes to illustrate the point as does the fact that CWD that is having a big affect on deer and elk in the Western States emanated from these operations. I'd rather participate in the harvest of a chipmunk in a fair chase setting than this elk. BTW, I'm also curious about the buck in the thread above. It was obviously killed in Mexico where high fence operations and less than honorable "outfitters" are becoming more and more an issue, as well. | |||
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I’m glad someone has come forward to offer full disclosure of the facts concerning the animal and the nature of the hunt(?). I am in no way an advocate or a fan of this type of hunting, but the idea of someone taking an animal in this manner and trying to pass it off as a free-range, fair-chase hunt is reprehensible. That is why I am happy to hear that those involved with the hunt are not trying to hide the true details. High fenced areas are not for me, but for some people with disabilities and physical challenges this may be their only alternative. I’m disappointed that SCI doesn’t have a separate and special record status for these “World Record†animals, but I do not wish to see any form of legislation or legal ordinance passed to limit or stop any form of hunting! It only takes one case to set a precedent, and who knows where it could go from there. The animal itself is a magnificent specimen, pen raised or not, just the sight of him gets my blood flowing. Whether or not it is a world record, I’m sure it wasn’t the elk’s ambition to make it into the book. Dave | |||
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Wild, free ranging animals are hunted. Pen raised animals are euthanaised. That elk was nothing more than someones pet. ------------------------------------ Originally posted by BART185 I've had another member on this board post an aireal photograph of my neighborhood,post my wifes name,dig up old ads on GunsAmerica,call me out on everything that I posted. Hell,obmuteR told me to FIST MYSELF. But you are the biggest jackass that I've seen yet, on this board! -------------------------------------- -Ratboy | |||
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I'm getting the feeling that several of you here are lumping pen raised animals and high fenced animals into the same category. You can't do that. There are still plenty of hunts that take place on large high fenced ranches where the animals roam free on thousands of acres and have no human contact and act just as they would in a free range setting. However, this doesn't appear to be one of those situations. I wouldn't personally want to do a hunt like this one, but I'm definitely not going to put it down. If that's what floats his boat, then more power to him. Think of it like this. Say you are the elk rancher in Canada and you have the bull pictured above as a breeder bull. Say he's pushing 10-12 years old and he's going to start going down hill in antler size. You know he's going to die of old age soon anyways. But, you know of a guy that is willing to pay $100k to shoot him. Think of how that sounds to the rancher who is now thinking, "Hmmmmm, $100,000 vs. $0, I'll take the $100,000 please". I'm not saying it should be eligible for any record book, but I'm also not going to say that it shouldn't be legal. It is legal and it should stay legal. When you look at many of the exotic species here in Texas, you can see that financial incentives are the only thing that saves some of these critters. How about if you don't like it, you don't do it; and if you do like it, by all means do it. Some of you need to just stop putting down hunting methods that you don't like or agree with. We need to all stick together and stop cutting each other's throats. Any questions?  _______________________________________________________ Hunt Report - South Africa 2022 Wade Abadie - Wild Shot Photography Website | Facebook | Instagram | |||
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If you are hunting game in an enclosure of thousands of acres with no guarantee of killing an animal,I could consider it hunting.However when you pick a specific animal out of a catalogue and are guaranteed to take that animal home,it is not hunting. | |||
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Well this one here is pen(penthouse)raised, hand fed(Vodka,Bourbon,Gin,Cocaine). Yet I imagine very few of those criticising how that elk was taken,would knock back mounting a beast with a rack like that below. A mans ethics/actions vary according to ones desires, needs or oportunities that become available to him at the time.  Pen raised,hand fed, but paradoxically, still very wild!!!  | |||
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Another magnificent specimen! | |||
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If this was taken on a high fence hunt, then a wild one-horned spike is 10 times the trophy that piece of crap will ever be. The only thing lower than the animal is the maggot who actually payed the money to shoot it and then proudly poses with it like he is a real hunter. The record book should not be written by a damned breeding program and steroids. If we are stupid enough to fall of this type of activity, then the sport of hunting deserves to be outlawed. | |||
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gun hating PETA bitch... i wouldn't get near her, and not just because of the hepetitus... NRA Life Member Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun. | |||
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That is why the record books should be handled differently. One set of category for free range, another for estate. I wont get into a pissing match about "canned and pen raised". Some ranches including africa are extremely large with naturally reproducing populations. Good managemnet does include food suplementation as with any livestock if that is the buisness you are in. If it isnt for you dont do it. I dont care for it either except for an ocassional get away for a weekend of exotic shooting for my mental health when time allows nothing else. It certainly has no resemblence to the normal hunting most of us do. That dosnt mean we should totally condemn it either because it isnt our way. My problem has always been about calling it what it is. Certainly we dont need any legislature or any other crap of that nature. All it will take is one precedent and we will all be tied up in court forever. The huge anti dove hunting initiative that is funded by millions of out of state dollars in Michigan right now is a prime example. You cant give an inch gentleman even if it is something you personally dont care about or even find distastefull. I guarantee it will only be the beginning of a much bigger and well funded fight. Several SCI chapters and many others have funneled an enormous amount of money to fight this and it is only starting. Why would SCI as an organization and several others band together to fight the antis over doves? After all it is only a dove and hardly a big game animal right. You all know as well as I do this is a test case and they will attempt to expand from here if they win. My point is simply we have to stand together. Sometimes that means compromise and I never find that pleasant, especially when it is something I am passionate about. I guess I kind of got off the original subject but it all does tie together. I just want everyone to realize everything we say, write, and do by action is under the microscope. There are often unforseen and at times unwanted consequences to what we do and say. Thanks for hearing me out so to speak, Ill get off my soapbox now. Oh and whoever said it earlier WOW! That is one monster mule deer! Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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How will the nonhunting neutral public view something like the Jimmy Houston video from a previous post? Will their opinion of hunting remain neutral? This type of activity is disgusting to so many real hunters, how is it not going to create more antihunters? How can these operations put hunters in this position and then expect them to stand up and defend them? | |||
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You can tell just by the look on the faces of the people in the photos, that they didn't accomplish anything noteworthy. | |||
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As has been said, picking out a specific animal and then shooting it isn't hunting, so it doesn't qualify for your statement. Your statement applies to arguments of bowhunters vs crossbow hunters or traditional muzzleloader shooters vs inline muzzleloader shooters. This is a different issue entirely. This is a breeder of an animal that should only be a wild animal making a buck off someone that is desperate enough for a hunting "trophy" to shoot one in a pen, probably "baited" in by someone dumping food in his doggie dish. This breeder making a buck is costing all of us who hunt in the long run. All it does is generate more anti-hunting sentiment among non-hunters and therefore push more votes against hunting in the future. The saddest part is the email from someone being proud about having three "records" from Canada this year for livestock. He should be showing that thing at the livestock show at the local county fair instead of trying to get SCI to recognize it as a hunting record. | |||
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The worst part of this is the elk was not shot in Manitoba near the Riding Mountain National Park, where they are free roaming and where it originated from. | |||
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I couldn't agree more. It's doesn't say much for SCI either... | |||
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What a slap in the face to people who really have earned trophies the hard way, the real way. I agree with ACrecurve 110 percent. Game ranches, laziness, people without enough skill, integrity, nor common sense, will someday soon completely ruin hunting for us all. Anyone who could be proud of shooting an animal in a pen is intellectually overmatched by the genius who's face appears up above this post. I am sure she and I would both love to spit in the face of the greedy puke who raises such animals, I'm sure even she has that much morale. | |||
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Idaho Ron Do you throw the halter in at that price ? | |||
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This is a huge bull, even though it was pen raised and fed from a dish. No matter what, shooting this type animal cannot be construed as: "hunting" in any form. The only honest thing that can be claimed about this: "someone whoever it was shot a huge bull elk farm animal". I would never take any pride in doing so no matter how much money I had. I would very much like to enjoy watching such an animal, same as I enjoy watching cattle and horses in the pasture/pens etc. Far as that ballooned chested nutcase I can't understand why any woman would do that to herself. IMO she's UGLY! Same as most young gals with the braless look. What a shame! George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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Snowman, Yes. The hunt includes all tags "in the ears" the halters and for another 100 I will let him shoot the calf and he can have the collar on it as well. It will be challange because the pasture is big. The call he will use is a coffee can with grain in it. Rattle it and wait for the old girl to come on the run. Ron | |||
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I just called the place that had the bull in the pic. The entire "ranch" is 1300 acres. They have another comperable bull they want to sell me. Thay were all happy and acting like they were running a legit operation. I wonder if they will offer me another " World Record ". Won't that other guy be pissed if I bought one bigger than his !!!!!!!!...............JJ " venator ferae bestiae et aquae vitae " | |||
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JJ, If this bull had been born and raised on the 1300 acres with no interior fences and no human contact instead of in a breeding pen, the hunt would have been legit. I don't understand how some of you can think that 1300 acres of high fenced land with proper cover is a "pen". _______________________________________________________ Hunt Report - South Africa 2022 Wade Abadie - Wild Shot Photography Website | Facebook | Instagram | |||
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When you are guaranteed to take a preselected animal in a single day,,how difficult can it be? | |||
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