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How Accusing A Powerful Man of Rape Drove A College Student To Suicide
When an Alabama college student told the police she was sexually assaulted, she did everything she thought she was supposed to do. She ended up killing herself.

Posted on June 22, 2017, at 6:40 a.m.
Katie J.M. Baker

Senior National Reporter
Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Reporting From
Tuscaloosa, Alabama

TUSCALOOSA, Alabama — Megan Rondini’s friends and family remember her as having an ironclad sense of right and wrong. Her childhood nickname was “Rules Rondini” because she was such a principled board game player. As an honors student at the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa, Megan offered rides to drunk girls walking alone at night, even after one threw up in her backseat.

No one was there to help Megan when she found herself in that very situation one night in July 2015, except for a well-to-do businessman Megan knew only as “Sweet T.” The 34-year-old later told authorities he offered 20-year-old Megan a ride home because he and a friend saw her leaving downtown Tuscaloosa alone. Megan couldn’t remember how she ended up in Sweet T’s white Mercedes on the way to his ornate mansion, decorated with his choicest hunting conquests, from massive-tusked elephant and wide-mouthed hippo heads to taxidermied lions and leopards. But, Megan later told police, she was sober enough by the time he pointed her toward his bedroom to know she didn’t want to have sex with him — and, she said, Sweet T should’ve known it, too.

There’s no official guide to reporting rape. It’s the most underreported crime, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey, which means many victims don’t tell anyone at all. But women are generally expected to do two things if they believe they’ve been sexually assaulted: Go to the emergency room and call the police. “Was it consensual?” Megan's friend asked her when she picked her up that night, the friend told investigators. “Like, did you want to?” No, Megan told her. She didn’t.

That’s why they went to the hospital for a forensic exam, even though it was the middle of the night and Megan had just run away from Sweet T’s mansion by climbing out of his second-story window. Afterward, instead of going to sleep, she met with law enforcement for an interview. Megan never imagined that she would soon be cast as a criminal, or that investigators would view Sweet T — really T.J. Bunn Jr., son of an influential Tuscaloosa family — as the true victim. But that’s exactly what happened.

Bunn insisted he and Megan had consensual sex. In a statement provided by his lawyer, Bunn reiterated that he was never charged with a crime and said it would be “improper to say anything further about a young woman, who was clearly troubled, that could cause pain for a family dealing with grief.” Under Alabama’s archaic rape law, victims must prove they “earnestly” resisted their attackers, and the investigator who interviewed Megan quickly decided she hadn’t fought back against Bunn — she hadn’t “kicked him or hit him," he explained. His investigation would conclude that no rape occurred. But he didn’t stop there. Instead, he started building a case against Megan, questioning her for multiple crimes she wasn’t even aware she had committed.

“When all is said and done, I wonder what I could’ve accomplished if one man didn’t completely rip everything away from me.”
Later, when Megan tried to file a civil suit, she learned the only way to escape possible prosecution for those crimes was to drop her case. When she went to the University of Alabama for counseling, a staff therapist told Megan she knew the Bunn family and therefore couldn’t help her. Ultimately, Megan and her family decided it was no longer safe for her to stay in Tuscaloosa. She withdrew from the university before the end of fall semester.

Megan’s case was complex. Then again, most sexual assault allegations are. There are rarely witnesses, and trauma survivors often have fragmented and incomplete memories, which can cause law enforcement without specialized training to be skeptical of their accounts — especially when alcohol is involved. Most rape cases don’t make it to trial, both nationwide and in Tuscaloosa, according to data provided by law enforcement.

“She did everything that she could to protect herself and to get help,” said Megan’s father, Mike Rondini. “She should have gotten that help, and she didn’t. That is a failure on everybody’s part."

Megan left Tuscaloosa newly diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder. In the months that followed, her depression grew worse, along with her sense of betrayal.

“When all is said and done, I wonder what I could’ve accomplished if one man didn’t completely rip everything away from me,” Megan texted a friend in February 2016. Two days later, she hanged herself.

Tuscaloosa, population 95,000, revolves around the University of Alabama, the country's fastest-growing flagship university. UA is famous for its football team, the Crimson Tide, widely considered not just the best college team in the country but of all time. Football helps UA attract elite students and millions of dollars in fundraising, but otherwise, Tuscaloosa is a “big small town” where everyone knows everyone. Most everyone has heard of the Bunns, whose 80-year-old family business, ST Bunn Construction, works on major statewide projects and claims to have paved every street in the city.

Sonny and Terry, the Bunn brothers who currently run the company, were major donors to former governor Robert J. Bentley, who recently resigned rather than face impeachment after he was accused of using state money to cover up an affair with an aide. Terry Bunn, T.J. Bunn’s father, even served on Bentley’s transition team. He’s also listed on rosters for the secretive “President’s Cabinet” at UA, an “invitation-only” alumni group that advises the president of the university. ST Bunn Construction says it helped build Tuscaloosa’s Crimson Tide practice field, and the brothers belong to the booster foundation that paid for renowned UA football coach Nick Saban’s $3.1 million home. Flight records show the Bunn's private jet often touched down near Crimson Tide away games last fall.

Megan Rondini grew up far from Crimson Tide country, in a leafy suburb of Austin, Texas. She was a serious, studious vegetarian who “preferred horses to people,” said her mother, Cindy Rondini. Her parents were surprised when she enrolled at the University of Alabama, and even more so when she joined a sorority.

“Megan wanted to go out of her comfort zone,” Cindy said. “She viewed going to college as her fresh start.”

Megan had an honors scholarship at UA, and she studied hard, scoring a spot in a special MBA program for high achievers in STEM fields and working after class at a lab studying Alzheimer’s disease. The summer before junior year, Megan stayed in Tuscaloosa to take extra classes. On July 1, 2015, she went to the Innisfree Irish Pub for trivia night with a group of sorority sisters. She saw Bunn at the bar, as she often did — ST Bunn Construction is across the street — but they didn’t talk. She later told investigators they had spoken only once, when he introduced himself as Sweet T to her and a friend the previous November. Afterward, they had wondered aloud about the well-dressed guy who offered them beers. A stranger, overhearing, leaned over and told them: “He’s one of the wealthiest men in Tuscaloosa.”

Megan, who stood 5-foot-6 and around 130 pounds, had about five cups of beer on July 1, she would later tell investigators — not enough, in her experience, to get that drunk. But somehow, she said, she blacked out, only coming to around midnight in Bunn’s brand-new Mercedes as he and his friend drove to Bunn’s home about 20 minutes away.

Bunn has sandy brown hair, a boyish face, and a preppy wardrobe: The night he picked Megan up, he was wearing khakis and brown alligator shoes. He’s sometimes referred to as an “employee” of ST Bunn Construction, but it’s unclear what he does there. A 2012 Tuscaloosa News profile published after former governor Bentley appointed Bunn to Alabama’s Conservation Advisory Board focuses on his many hunting accomplishments — he’s even killed the African "big five" — but there’s not much other information about him available, other than records relating to a 2013 DUI arrest. They show Bunn sued the director of the Alabama Department of Public Safety after his driving privileges were taken away, claiming he would “suffer irreparable harm” if his license was suspended because he would be “unable to drive to work and will lose his job” at his family’s company. Bunn got his license back.

Megan was intimidated by Bunn, so much so that she didn’t try to stop him as he drove toward his house, she told investigators, even though “he was drunk and driving and it was concerning me.” They walked into his plantation-style mansion, past the mounted heads and tanned hides of dozens of animals, from zebras and hippos to antelopes and bears. Even a chandelier was made of antlers.


Bunn put his drunk friend to bed and told Megan to go to his room, she told investigators. She said she complied, sitting on a couch near the door, as far as possible from his bed with monogrammed “B” pillows. Bunn walked in and told her he wanted to have sex. That’s when Megan said she had to leave, while “trying to be really nice to him” because “I know he’s an influential person in Tuscaloosa.”

“I said, I really need to go, I have friends that are waiting,” she told police when they first interviewed her at the hospital. “He didn’t really take that.” Eventually, Megan said, she “felt like just letting him have sex with me was the only way he would let me go.”

Megan “felt like just letting him have sex with me was the only way he would let me go.”
Bunn brought her over to his bed and pulled her shorts to the side while she looked away from him, she told investigators. The incident report would later state that she “verbally informed Bunn that she did not want to have sex with him and that she needed to rejoin her friends at Innisfree,” but that he “ignored these statements and continued to engage in intercourse with her.” Afterward, Bunn passed out, and she felt she could leave safely, she said. But no matter how hard she tried, she couldn’t open his door. She started texting friends around 1 a.m., begging for help.

“OMG,” she wrote to one, “I can’t get out of the room.”

Megan told police that, in a panic, she climbed through Bunn’s second-story window, jumped onto a gate and then to the dark, unfamiliar street below. When she realized she didn’t have her keys, she started frantically searching for them, even climbing back into Bunn’s room and then out again. Next, she checked Bunn’s Mercedes, where she found his wallet and a pistol. She grabbed $3 in case she had to take a cab and the gun “for safety,” she told investigators. Megan didn’t know how to handle guns, she’d later explain, and she accidentally fired it before dropping the weapon to the ground. Finally, a friend picked her up. They arrived at Tuscaloosa’s DCH Regional Medical Center around 2:40 a.m.


Contrary to what viewers of Law and Order: SVU might think, sex crimes units are still relatively new in police departments. Tuscaloosa’s doesn’t have one. Its multi-agency homicide department investigates sexual offenses, and it’s ultimately up to a grand jury to decide whether felony cases should move forward. Sexual assault cases rarely make it there, according to data provided by the homicide department on the dispositions of all sexual offenses — not just felonies — reported to it from 2011 to 2016. As of February, only 10 cases out of 98 sexual assault reports in 2016 were heard by a grand jury, and 12 out of 124 from 2015. (Those numbers don’t include a few dozen cases that are still pending.)

The county district attorney’s office couldn’t say how many sexual assault cases in Tuscaloosa led to formal charges, because it did not begin using a computerized tracking program until late last year.

“I’m ashamed to say we don’t know,” said Chief Deputy Jonathan Cross, “which is sort of a black eye in our office.”

According to Tuscaloosa Homicide Department Capt. Gary Hood, as many as 40 to 50% of all reported sexual assaults in Tuscaloosa are labeled “special inquiry,” local law enforcement’s term for cases in which “the victim does not know what or if anything happened” or the investigators don’t think the complaint meets the criteria to be a criminal charge under state law. Hood said those cases are investigated just as seriously as sexual assaults, but the examples he gave were ambiguous. For instance, he said, “A female wakes up at a friend’s house after a night of drinks. She doesn’t know if she was sexually assaulted but she files a report just to make sure.”

Special inquiries aren’t just for sexual assault claims, Hood said, providing further examples: “A person wakes up from a night of drinks to find a cut on his arm. Should this be listed as an assault or did he cut his arm stumbling into his residence?” Another, he said, might be if someone noticed a piece of jewelry missing from their home with no sign of forced entry. “Should this be theft or did a family member wear the jewelry without seeking permission first?”

Last November, Hood told the Tuscaloosa News that 27 UA students had reported sexual assaults in 2016, but only two arrests had been made. Widely accepted research has found that the rate of false rape claims is no higher than that of any other crime. But although Hood hoped “true victims of crimes” would come forward to the department, he said there were “a lot of reasons” a college student might lie about rape.

“A lot of them are not doing well in school and hope that by doing this they can get some help from the university with their grades,” he said.

Megan’s 3.8 GPA didn’t stop police from marking her first report a “special inquiry.” She didn’t know that they already doubted her when she went to the station for a follow-up interview the same morning she was discharged from the hospital, even though she hadn’t slept. She put on an oversized T-shirt, scraped her hair into a ponytail, and brought two pages of handwritten notes she’d taken so she wouldn’t forget any details.

It took about 21 minutes for Megan to tell investigator Adam Jones her side of the story, up to finding the pocket pistol in Bunn’s car while looking for her keys. As soon as Megan mentioned the gun, Jones abruptly left the room, video of her interview shows. After that, he changed his course of questioning. For the next few hours, he came in and out of the room with questions for Megan that were about her behavior the previous night instead of her rape allegations.

For example, Jones told Megan that Bunn said he and his friend had stopped for a drink at Megan’s apartment before going to his place: Did she remember that? Not at all, Megan said — it came as a shock — but she gave him her phone to track her movements. They confirmed that Bunn, his friend, and Megan had indeed visited her apartment before going to his place. Megan insisted she didn’t remember any of it.

Studies show that trauma victims often have fragmented memories of assaults. When confronted with such gaps, police should consider the possibility of drug-facilitated sexual assault, the International Association of Chiefs of Police guidelines explain. But investigators never tested Megan’s blood or urine, according to the state department that processes toxicology reports, which found no records associated with Megan’s case. (Hood said that was because Megan “admitted to drinking alcohol on her own free will” — even though she told investigators she didn’t think she had enough to black out.) It’s unclear if the hospital even collected the blood and urine samples necessary for forensic testing when it performed a basic rape kit on Megan. A DCH spokesperson declined to comment on Megan’s case. But he did say that the hospital doesn’t employ SANEs — sexual assault nurse examiners who are specially trained to collect critical forensic evidence.

Two hours into her interview, Megan told the student advocate from the university’s women’s center who had accompanied her to the station that she could leave. Anxious and tired, Megan paced the room alone. At one point, she texted a friend about how Jones seemed upset about the gun.

“He left as soon as I said that and hasn’t come back and then told me that little kids could shoot themselves,” she wrote. “I'm about to vomit I hate this.”

“Just be completely open and honest and you’ll be okay,” her friend wrote back. “You didn’t do anything wrong.”

Around 2 p.m., about 12 hours after Megan had first reported the incident, Jones told her they were “close” on her case but had some other issues to discuss.

“Before I ask you any questions, you got any reasoning behind why you did what you did?” he asked Megan.

“What do you mean?” Megan said.

“I just need you to tell me, once we get into the questioning, what your reasoning was about why you did these things,” he said.

Megan stared at Jones as he read her Miranda rights before asking her why she took Bunn’s gun. He didn’t tell Megan that, although she had entered the room an alleged victim, she was now a suspect as well.

“I was never going to hurt anybody with it,” Megan said, crying. “I got it just to protect myself but I don’t eat meat, I could never kill anything, even if it came to that point I wouldn’t have been able to use it on a person.”

Eventually, Jones returned to Megan’s rape allegations. “Based on your statements to me, you said that you never resisted him,” he said.

“I did resist him,” Megan said, listing the ways she did, from repeatedly telling Bunn she wanted to leave to turning away when he kissed her. “I wanted to go home,” she said. “He didn’t take me home.”

“Look at it from my side,” Jones replied calmly. “You never kicked him or hit him or tried to resist him.”

“Look at it from my side. You never kicked him or hit him or tried to resist him.”
A few minutes later, Megan said she didn’t know if she wanted to press charges after all.

“I want to be done,” she said. “I just want to move on.”

Jones offered to give her a “refusal to prosecute” form to sign.

More than 40% of people who reported sexual assault in Tuscaloosa from 2011 to 2016 officially dropped their charges by signing such forms, according to a BuzzFeed News analysis of the homicide department’s data. There are many reasons why someone might not want to pursue a case, Hood said: “I know for instance in many cases people are mad at someone initially, then change their mind.” But the IACP tells police not to pressure victims to make any decisions about prosecution during the initial stages of an investigation. Doing so is “poor practice” and “potentially damaging to an agency,” its guidelines state.

Megan then told Jones she didn’t want to drop the case. She wanted there to be a public record of her allegations, she said.

“I’m just worried that if someone else is in this situation again, and it’s him again…” Megan said, trailing off.

Bunn, dressed in khakis and a button-down, brought his lawyer when he came in for his interview with law enforcement the following Monday. Both men had just returned from a weekend fishing trip.

“I’ll get y’all out of here,” investigator Josh Hastings assured them as they convened in the small room. After some high-spirited small talk about fishing — the snappers were biting — Hastings began his questioning. No, Bunn hadn’t seen Megan at Innisfree that night before picking her up as she walked home alone. Yes, he had been drinking, but not too much. Megan had invited him and his friend into her place, made them drinks, and then chose to go to his place, where, Bunn said, “we both decided to have consensual sex.” He fell asleep afterward. The next thing he knew, police were ringing his doorbell. Later, he said, he realized someone had shot his pistol — he wasn’t sure whether it had hit anything — and gone through his wallet.

“This is something...I’m gonna ask the question...it’s gotta be asked,” Hastings said, fumbling a bit. When police arrived at Bunn’s house early Thursday morning, how come Bunn said no one had been at his house the night before?

“At that time, to be honest with you, I didn’t recall,” Bunn said.

“Scared?” Hastings asked.

“Of course, yeah, sure,” Bunn said. “Still scared.”

“You ended up collecting your thoughts, and coming around, and that’s when you remembered you had her over there?” Hastings said.

“Right,” Bunn said.

A few moments later, Bunn was once again able to recall that Megan was “a very willing participant.”

When Hastings left the room for a moment, Bunn told his lawyer in a whisper that he’d drop the charges against Megan if she dropped hers.

“I won’t pursue her if she doesn’t pursue me, but I will play hardball if she does,” he said.

“We’re still kinda waiting to hear back from her,” Hastings said. “Obviously, we’ve got a couple issues we’re dealing with,” he said, mentioning the car “broken into,” the money “stolen” — Bunn claimed he was missing more than the $3 Megan said she grabbed for the cab — and “now even the possibility of a round that struck an occupied residence.”

“We are dealing on that end of things with her, just kind of waiting to see how far she’s going to push this,” he said.

“I appreciate y'all's professionalism,” Bunn said.

“No one wants someone showing up on their doorstep early in the morning,” Hastings said. “The way I look at, man, if it was me on the other side of it, I would want you to do the same for me.”


In late July, Mike Rondini said, the district attorney called to let him know Megan’s case didn’t meet the legal definition of sexual assault and wouldn’t be brought to a grand jury. Two weeks later, Megan got a letter confirming her case was closed. She wasn’t ready to give up. In August, she hired a lawyer to file a civil suit. Megan told a therapist that fall that she was suing Bunn “due to the fear that she is not the first person he has assaulted or the last."

But Megan was also terrified. She stopped going out after she saw Bunn crossing the street. She dropped a Habitat for Humanity–related honors class because ST Bunn Construction was a sponsor.

“His influence and wealth is the reason I can’t press charges,” she texted a friend. “He’s the charming nice one and I’m the bitch face victim.”

In the fall, a therapist diagnosed Megan with post-traumatic stress disorder, noting that she had no previous reported history of mental health issues.

“She continues to focus on ‘losing everything’ having no power as a women that was assaulted,” the therapist wrote in her notes. Beyond the alleged assault, the therapist wrote, Megan was “even more frustrated and upset” because she thought investigators “just ignored the case” due to Bunn “being from a very prominent Tuscaloosa family.” Megan wanted to return to UA “because she has worked so hard,” the therapist wrote, “but since being back she cannot stop crying, scared at night, having to get up and leave classrooms due to her feeling overwhelmed with anxiety and fear.”

“His influence and wealth is the reason I can’t press charges. He’s the charming nice one and I’m the bitch face victim.”
Megan assumed the University of Alabama would support her and help her figure out how to move on, even if she couldn’t take Bunn to court. Instead, the institution she loved made her feel even more alone. (UA declined to discuss the situation, citing the “interest of protecting the deceased student’s privacy.”)

The university’s Women and Gender Resource Center was first notified of Megan’s case the July night she reported she was sexually assaulted. A staff therapist named Kathy Echols wrote up an incident report, which listed the alleged perpetrator as “TJ Bunn.” When Megan returned to campus nearly two months later, Echols was the therapist who met her for a counseling session. That’s when Echols told Megan she knew the Bunn family and therefore had to recuse herself from the case, medical records show. (Echols’ own notes, obtained by BuzzFeed News, say she “recognized the family name.”)

“I’m so fucking done I can’t even find a therapist in this town because everyone is ‘really great family friends’” with Bunn, Megan texted one friend afterward.

She had no idea that investigators were also updating the university about the concerns law enforcement had with her allegations. First, they alerted the Title IX coordinator that there were “issues” with Megan’s case because she’d “admitted she took Bunn’s money” — the $3 — “and a gun out of his car.”

“She also admitted to shooting the gun and we think it hit his house,” Lt. Kip Hart wrote in an email to UA three days after investigators interviewed Bunn.

Before law enforcement sent Megan the letter formally closing her case, Hart once again emailed the Title IX coordinator to update her, saying the case would “probably be closed as unfounded.”

But although Megan and her family were told her criminal case wouldn’t move forward, the district attorney’s office eventually decided to present it to a grand jury after all. There was a catch. In a package deal, the grand jury would also rule on felony charges against Megan for breaking into Bunn’s car and stealing his gun. Internal documents from September 2015 imply authorities didn’t intend to fight too hard on Megan’s behalf: Investigators noted they found “no sexual assault occurred.”

The Rondinis learned the criminal case was back on the table only after they hired an attorney for a potential civil suit. Once they heard Megan might face felony charges, they decided it was best for Megan to drop the civil case, withdraw early from school, and go home to Texas. Megan left so quickly that she didn’t even say goodbye to some of her closest friends. Her depression and anxiety grew worse as her isolation deepened.

“I have no idea who else he knows and has influence over in the system,” Megan wrote to one friend. “The only reason I wanted to press charges in the first place is because I don’t want this to happen to anyone else.”


There are reforms that make it easier to report sexual assault. For example, many states have changed their legal definition of rape so that victims don’t have to prove they “earnestly” fought their rapists, as they do in Alabama. These laws are better designed for sexual assault cases; a recent study found that many rape victims experience “involuntary paralysis” that prevents them from resisting.

Tuscaloosa’s hospital is overdue for the SANE forensic nursing program that’s recommended by the Department of Justice and leading national medical organizations. An external review of the Tuscaloosa Homicide Unit’s policies and practices around investigating sexual assault might be in order, as well as an inquiry into how and when prosecutors decide to move rape cases forward. The University of Alabama could strengthen its counseling services; earlier this year, the Rondinis filed a federal complaint against the university for not following up with Megan after Echols recused herself. (The university told BuzzFeed News it would never “refuse treatment or resources to an individual” on the grounds described in the complaint.)

There’s no way of knowing how any of these changes might have affected Megan, who never got her day in court. (The Rondinis have hired the Birmingham-based Maxwell law firm for potential legal action against UA, the Tuscaloosa County Sheriff's Office, and Bunn himself.) What is clear is that the more she tried to get help, the more afraid and alienated she became. It’s hard not to wonder if, by the end, she wished she had never reported at all.

In emails to BuzzFeed News, Capt. Hood outlined the holes he saw in Megan’s story, many of which had to do with what he said was her “lack of earnest resistance.” Even though she said she blacked out for part of the night, she “admitted to being coherent.” Even though she claimed she repeatedly told Bunn she wanted to leave, she never said “No.” Even though she went to the hospital and interviewed with police within hours, she didn’t yell for help or call 911, and she never “made any statement or took any action” that convinced investigators she “was not a willing participant in the sexual act.”

Megan filled out an intake form for SMU’s mental health center. She wrote: “Raped, bullied by police, changed university.”
The authorities weren’t just required to follow Alabama rape law, Hood said — they were “legally obligated” to investigate the felonies Megan admitted to committing during her interview. Her mental state at the time didn’t matter. Nor, apparently, did the fact that she soon after went to the hospital and told her story to police.

“Although she did not ‘realize’ she committed a crime does not negate the fact that she ‘did’ commit the crimes,” Hood said.

Of course, Megan was never actually found guilty of any crimes: The case against her never made it to a grand jury. But the case against Bunn did — a few weeks after Megan died. The grand jury decided not to prosecute him.

Megan would have graduated this summer. Instead, she transferred to Southern Methodist University in Texas, and she didn’t get better. She missed her best friends, her sorority, and the life she’d left behind. Still, when people asked, she said she was going to therapy and trying to move on. Megan “never wanted any of her friends to worry about her, so nobody really realized how unhappy she was until it was too late,” one of her sorority sisters told BuzzFeed News.

On February 21, 2016, Megan asked one friend via text whether she ever felt “like you just don’t want to deal with shit anymore.” “Like every day dude,” the friend wrote back. “What’s up with you? How do you like your new school?”

“I hate it,” Megan wrote back. “I miss how everything used to be.”

The same week, Megan filled out an intake form for SMU’s mental health center, in which she wrote that she thought she would be “better off dead” more than half the time. One question asked if there had been major losses, changes, or crises in her life. Megan wrote: “Raped, bullied by police, changed university.”

She never turned it in. Instead, on February 26, Megan killed herself.

She didn’t leave a note — but next to her bed were the intake forms. ●

Katie Baker is a senior national reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in New York. Her PGP Fingerprint is 4E63 175C BB94 0689 2BD6 01AF 214B 259B 2EA8 EA2E
Contact Katie J.M. Baker at katie.baker@buzzfeed.com.


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Horrible.
 
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Very tragic no matter how it occurred.
 
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members of the Sheriffs Office, medical Personal, and University of Alabama personal who had anything to do with this case should all be fired for gross negligence in handling this case.

Bunn is a member of the Alabama Conservation Advisory Board, app by now ousted Alabama Gov Bentley.


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If he is guilty, perhaps this article will provide a little humiliation for him. He might need more than that.
 
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Lesson don't go out and get drunk.

Regretting it in the morning doesn't make it rape.
 
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Sad story.

But how in the hell does this shit have anything at all to do with "American Big Game Hunting"?


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I agree with Slowpoke. This has nothing to do with "American Big Game Hunting" and should be removed and the poster warned about sticking to the topic! Maybe because he might drive a BMW the story should be put on a car forum for BMW drivers! I have had some people close to me commit suicide and in sorting through it. It is a very selfish act unless you are terminally ill and the people you leave behind are the affected!


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Because the principal is a well known American and a Big Game hunter. Perhaps you can see the connection? Or then again, maybe not. Don't like what I post, don't read it or put me on ignore. Suits the hell out of me.


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Like Gatogordo said he posted because the alledged rapist is a well known , world traveled big game hunter, along with his dad.


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"Because the principal is a well known American and a Big Game hunter."

Why would he be "well known" to anybody outside of the local area? Was he a hunting celebrity that was on TV? Does his business have anything to do with hunting?

Looks to me like he was just a well-to-do businessman who happened to enjoy hunting and is alleged to have committed a crime that's completely unrelated to hunting. He used his power and influence. These people can be found everywhere and are not a reflection of the hunting community.


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"Because the principal is a well known American and a Big Game hunter."

Why would he be "well known" to anybody outside of the local area? Was he a hunting celebrity that was on TV? Does his business have anything to do with hunting?

Looks to me like he was just a well-to-do businessman who happened to enjoy hunting and is alleged to have committed a crime that's completely unrelated to hunting. He used his power and influence. These people can be found everywhere and are not a reflection of the hunting community.


I didn't post this as a be-all, end-all possible Pulitzer Prize article. The thread heading says all any reasonably intelligent person would need to know as to whether he would care to read further or not. If someone cares to read it, fine. There are numerous people who don't live in Wisconsin, that might know the man. At any rate, I found it to be a very sad tale that I found interesting. If you don't, then by all means, READ the damn heading and don't read it.

Then, don't waste my and your time by arguing semantics about something you don't have any interest in.


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This story(not the shitty article, but the story itself) should be required reading for ALL parents of young girls and ALL young women.

No young woman deserves to be victimized. Having said that, all young women need to do everything they can to protect themselves at all times. For whatever reason this girl did several things to put herself in danger(underage drinking, drunk in public alone at night in "short" shorts, accepting a ride from two male strangers, etc.).

I fell horrible for everyone involved, especially the girl and her family.

Parents need to impress upon their daughters that the world is not a safe or "fair" place. The real world is not romper-room.


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Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

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I don't know why Gato posted this, but it is interesting how the author of the article placed so much focus on the fact that the accused was a hunter and the victim was a vegitarian....


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Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

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This story proves that in America you are guilty until proven rich.
 
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So then put the goddamn story in the miscellaneous forum. Is that so hard to figure out? Is the word "miscellaneous" too long, too hard to spell, too far down the page?

The story talks about a fishing trip the accused went on too. Maybe you should have put it in the fishing forum?

Jesus Christ simple is hard on some people.


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Jesus Christ simple is hard on some people.


.......and stupid is forever.

Since you don't pay my bills, and probably couldn't, AND are NOT a forum monitor, AND since this is a thread that I found related to American hunting, admittedly tangentially, I put it where I wanted it. If a monitor finds it to be objectionable, then they can move it. Until then, you can go attempt to have sex with a flying donut and quit whining like a little bitch.


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So then put the goddamn story in the miscellaneous forum. Is that so hard to figure out? Is the word "miscellaneous" too long, too hard to spell, too far down the page?

The story talks about a fishing trip the accused went on too. Maybe you should have put it in the fishing forum?

Jesus Christ simple is hard on some people.


got those panties wound pretty tight. I'd hate to see how mad you get over something that actually mattered.


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I'm from Wisconsin, don't know the guy, but still found it interesting enough to read through the whole article... Thanks for posting.


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Far from mad, sorry.

Just get tired of morons like Gat. Got himself kicked out of the political forum, and since that forum was his main purpose in life, likes to spew bullshit as far and wide as possible. He means nothing to me, but he probably should get a life.

And I've seen him post in the "miscellaneous forum" before, so I know he knows where it is. Just one of those mysteries of life I guess.


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All this is so very sad ... I met a lawyer one time. His wife had invited us over for supper. He told me of defending some guy who raped a lady. He said that he got her on the witness stand and badgered and harangued her hour after hour until she broke down and could not continue anymore and he won the case.

He thought that I ( a stranger) would be impressed by how clever he was .. destroying the lady ..

I thought that he was a low life son of a bitch!
 
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He sounds like a wonderful human being.
 
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Times change. I'm sure there are many among us that have loosened a probably/possibly willing female date up with alcohol. Today, in many locales, doing that to the point where she could not give informed consent would be rape. Of course, the slippery slope is, what defines "informed" consent and, at least in some cases, after the affair has ended, the lady might decide she was not "informed".

As the father of a son and two daughters, this topic has been discussed in our family. Besides the obvious of alcohol, the widespread use of "date rape" drugs is a real problem and has been for years. Check out the Bill Crosby cases. I have stressed that my girls, in particular, should use extreme caution at parties, with dates, etc.

In this particular case, and without being an attorney, and especially an Alabama attorney, it appears that the individual was not technically guilty of rape under current Alabama law because of her lack of resistance. I don't live there, but this should be changed IMO.

AFA the above defense attorney, he might come across as a scum bag, and he may well be, but he was doing his job under the American system of justice. Like it or not, he did the right thing for his client. Not knowing any details of case, I will say no more about it.


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Far from mad, sorry.

Just get tired of morons like Gat. Got himself kicked out of the political forum, and since that forum was his main purpose in life, likes to spew bullshit as far and wide as possible. He means nothing to me, but he probably should get a life.

And I've seen him post in the "miscellaneous forum" before, so I know he knows where it is. Just one of those mysteries of life I guess.


It is odd that you think that Gatogodo is the one who needs to "get a life". It seems that you have followed him here to attack him on his thread due to your dislike of him/his political views.

I know if I dislike a certain forum member I don't open threads they start. Others place the members they don't like on "ignore". It makes this place much more enjoyable.


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Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

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As the father of a son and two daughters, this topic has been discussed in our family. Besides the obvious of alcohol, the widespread use of "date rape" drugs is a real problem and has been for years. Check out the Bill Crosby cases. I have stressed that my girls, in particular, should use extreme caution at parties, with dates, etc.


My daughter just turned 8 years-old but after reading the article you posted I had a talk with her about safety. I used our fishing trips in Alaska as a metaphor. Basically, I asked her if she would walk through the Alaskan bush without a gun or bear spray(she has seen brown bears up close). She said, "no, that would be like asking for trouble!" I then discussed how drinking alcohol can be like putting on a blindfold and puts you at far greater risk. We then talked about how it is impossible to tell which bears are "good bears" and which bears are "bad bears" and how people are no different.


Jason

"You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core."
_______________________

Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

-Jason Brown
 
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Good work, Jason. Kids grow up sooner and, in some cases, harder than when I was young.

Not to belittle the topic, but I hear people worry about their darlings, of both sexes, cussing. They had better be worried about them doing it instead of using the words.

We're in the middle of the Texas Bible Belt and every year, at least one upstanding young girl graduates while pregnant or already having a baby, and this is in a very small school.


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I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process.
 
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Because the principal is a well known American and a Big Game hunter. Perhaps you can see the connection? Or then again, maybe not. Don't like what I post, don't read it or put me on ignore. Suits the hell out of me.


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While Gato and I really do not get along/hate each other, I believe he was right in posting the information.

As he said and as I have said, don't like what is posted or the responses, don't read them or put people on ignore.


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Well, it's Saeed's house, so fine, whatever. Why even have forum categories at all? Seriously? A serious question I ask of Saeed directly. You build this website (thank you for that), you go to all the trouble to put in CATEGORIES for forum topics, and then folks just put crap all over where they feel like it willy-nilly, and respond with "don't read it" when you question it. But it's your house Saeed, run it how you want.

JBrown,

I didn't "follow" Gat here at all. I NEVER dip my toe into the cesspool that is the political forum. Never. Not one time. Full of small children behaving badly. But that is what that venue is for, so small children can go there and get their rocks off behaving badly. It keeps them out of the "big kids" section of the pool.

I come to the "American Big Game Hunting Forums" only occasionally, to hear about American big game hunting. I know that probably shocks the hell out of you, but it's the truth.

I don't "hate" Gat. That's laughable. He has less importance in my world than the lint fibers that are currently clinging to the front of my computer monitor. He also has zero power over me to make me "mad", or "irritated" as Crazy suggests. He is just random bits of 1's and 0's on the other end of the interwebs. Pocket lint is more important.

I asked the question why in the hell this topic was put in the American Big Game Hunting forum, and was promptly told not to open it and read it, or to put the OP on ignore. I was also called stupid when I pointed out that there is another forum more suited to a "story" of this nature.

I have been here 11 years. I have just over 1000 posts, makes 95 posts a year, and an average of .25 posts a day.

Gat has been here 16 years, and has just over 16000 posts. That comes to roughly 1000 posts a year and 2.75 posts a day.

Yeah, and I'M the one that needs to get a life.

Now, if you GENTLEMEN, and Gat, will excuse me, I have LIFE to get on with, and there's this thing called OUTDOORS that is calling to me. Have fun with your interwebs.


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If this discussion was that unimportant to you, why did you get involved?????

Why does the number of posts another member has made bother YOU or anyone else so much????

Care to answer that?? Too damn many people on sites like this, pay WAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION to the number of posts other people make!

I am not defending Gato or myself, I am stating FACTS!

Some folks are more OPINIONATED than others, not one damn thing in the Constitution or the rules of this site says that people cannot have their own opinions or puts ANY limit on their expressing those opinions!

I notice that you joined just a few months after me, and unless things changed between March and August, I do not remember ANY wording specifying that a member is REQUIRED to read every/any post and/or reply to it.

Sorry that you are having such a hard time understanding that any/each of us can make a post or a response to an issue that may not set well with others, but that os the way things are.


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Exactly CHC! What a bunch of BS over absolutely nothing! Either put the SOB on ignore or when you see something that you don't want to read, especially with his name on it, then skip it and move on with life. It's dicks like you that create havoc on a Forum and cause people to leave because they get tired of all the crap like this that get going over nothing!!!
 
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He also has zero power over me to make me "mad", or "irritated" as Crazy suggests. He is just random bits of 1's and 0's on the other end of the interwebs. Pocket lint is more important.


Now, if you GENTLEMEN, and Gat, will excuse me, I have LIFE to get on with, and there's this thing called OUTDOORS that is calling to me.


I don't believe you. Your rant is one of the more pathetic ones I've seen on here. Congratulations.
 
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I thought I would post this because a lot of times in "American Big Hunting" we are usually consuming some form of oil to get to our hunt unless you would use a Tesla or NG. If I'm a little off topic and offended please ignore.
Gartman: "The Time Has Come To Be Short Of Oil Once Again"

When we pointed out yesterday that "world-renowned commodity guru" Dennis Gartman remained bearish of oil, we quoted him as saying that "it has been our intention all along to await the opportunity to sell crude oil short on protracted rally and we are getting that rally as we write. We can be patient a while longer." His patience lasted less than 24 hours, because one day later - as oil is on the cusp of extending its bullish run for a near record 9th consecutive day - Gartman this morning that "the time then has come to be short of crude oil once again."

The section of note:

CRUDE OIL PRICES CONTINUE TO ADVANCE and have now risen for 8 or 9 days in a row, depending upon when one has marked the close. Going by the CME’s official closes, yesterday was the 8th day in row higher and the “bounce” from the lows made two weeks ago amidst what was then panic liquidation has now taken the market to an almost equally over-bought, hyper-extended level to the upside.

We have maintained that the “bounce” would take crude back to The Box marking the 50-62% retracement in nearby WTI crude to somewhere between $47.00-$48.15 and for all intents that was satisfied yesterday when the high of $47.07. Note then the chart of nearby August WTI and note The Box.

The time then has come to be short of crude oil once again, and we are certain that we shall be at least as equally scoffed at for selling crude today as we were two weeks ago for urging everyone, everywhere not to be short. This recent increase has, of course, re-ignited the interest of drillers to drill and the contango is still wide enough to encourage drilling and hedging as the one year forward is very nearly $50/barrel.
It is probably just a coincidence that earlier this morning WTI was in the red and has since crept up back into positive territory.


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RAR60, now you are just being stupid. Got ate up with the dumbass did you?


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Not at all, I just thought it's as relevant as what this post is all about! To my point!


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Nothing like reading of the long time little boy posters on AR getting into a pissing match on AR. Reminds me of two 8 year old kids arguing about who has the most army men in their sand box! Sometimes AR is better than going to a $10 movie!
 
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Got ate up with the dumbass did you?


What is the difference between being a dumbass and a dickhead????????


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Sometimes on AR it's very hard to tell the difference between the two. Particularly for the long time posters!
 
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And just exactly who forced you to read the comments?????????


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Now now little boy - act your age! It's an open forum.
 
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