Hell yes I hunted behind a fence and I plan on doing it again!

I have and while I was there so was Judd Cooney & MR James filming for a TV show. None of the archers took an animal till day three of a 3 day HUNT.

Know what? We had a ball and we all agreed that we'd do it again if they wanted to donate another trip to us.

I always chuckle when I read posts by guys that say ," I'd never do a high fence hunt" when what they really mean is they can't afford to do a quality high fence hunt. But they'll watch them on the Outdoor Channel and turn green with envy for their chance in that box blind.BB

Not me.



Haven't done it.



Can't afford it.



Don't want to.



I guess I'm not very manly, eh?

Brent



PS. I probably could afford it if I really wanted to, but I will leave the pasture shooting for others - thanks.



PSS. I forgot to mention, I haven't turned green yet either.

Although I see your point I did my first behind a high fenced hunt last year. It was in RSA and quite frankly the existance of the fence really bothered me. No matter how I justify it in my mind I can't think of it as fair chase. Fun yes, difficult no. Will I kill something behind a high fence again, probably, but I would be hesitant to actually call it "hunting". A more accurate term might be "killing" behind a high fence. Just my personal thoughts on the subject of high fence operations.

the times I have done it, I limited my trips to game ranches with plenty of size to them. Once in Pa. iarrived looked at the size of the place saw it was only about 150 acres and left. The owner said no refund of deposit on your hog, I said keep it.
the places I do hunt the animal doesn't just walk up and stick itself on the broadhead. You must actually hunt them.BB

You're obviously a troll. However, you're not too much of a man since you changed your sign-in. Who are you really?

I hate to pop your little testostrone driven bubble but manhood has nothing to do with which side of the fence you hunt nor with what calibre of weapon you shoot.

If you are asking me, BallBuster whom I really am. I'll need to reply it's me the same ballbuster that I've always been.
and my reference to hunting behind high fence has to do with another thread that went south from it's original intent by Ray to offer reduced price elk/bison hunts at Comstock (behind fence). On there,check for yourself, it ran into a debate of high fence hunting. No one actually admits to doing it , but rather makes statements like"...though I've never done it, I've heard about it..." or something like that.
I'm standing up and saying I'm man enough to admit I've done it and I'll do it again. BB

The RSA concession was on 30,000 acres devided into basically half. Roughly each fenced area was 15,000 acres so it wasn't exactly small.

well i have killed plenty of animals behind a fence!!!!!!


but they weren't any game animal though


did work in a slaughter house -that taught me fair chase is better then pinned up!!!!!
something due to sense of pride-

if you want to shoot 'ducks in a barrel' don't brag about it

or show THE CREATURE off as a GREAT HUNT-BIG TROPHY

I couldn't care less where or how you hunt lady. Nice that you bagged some game and all, some do it, some don't.


Dan

Pres., TYGC

www.InTheBubble.Now

Having grown up on a small N Idaho farm, surounded by other small farms, yes, I have hunted in a defined fenced area on many occasions. Got the cows milked, got an hour to hunt, hunt the farm. Not every neighbor wanted you on his place. I have hunted true wilderness also. They are not the same experience for a fact.

Not everyone has the ability to get to wilderness for hunting. There is not that much wilderness left.

If you don't like it, don't do it. But, don't try to paint everyone else with your brush, that is childish and combative.

Some of us are lucky to be in areas that give us access to some wilderness, thats great. If you are one of these and have a REAL problem with other people and fences, post your address and phone number, with a calender of what times you have available to help them get a real wilderness experience. That might help, eh? Or is it just more fun to bellyache?

I've not done it nor do I have plans too. Not something that I'm interested in.

I will however take this chance to say that the Anti- hunting crowd wants to divide and conquer! What better way than to select a niche and put out bad press about it.
Just look at Oregon and California. It started with trappers as they are small in number, then the houndsmen. The outlawing of the use of dogs to run couger and bears is done. Cougers are now protected.

Offer opinions but remmember, United we stand, divided we'll all get our asses kicked!

Well if you're talking about the Bubba outdoors "hunt", where the guy is getting nervous about taking a shot from his enclosed air conditioned blind at a deer at a feeder, then no. I have as much inclination to partonize such an outfit as a brothel, but to each their own.

I'm not the least bit jealous of those that can afford such things, it just confirms my belief that there are many people with more money than sense.

Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying I have not hunted outside of a fence. I've been up to Northern Quebec for 'bou ,hunted Ak too on horesback with a spike camp made of a canvas sheet hung between two big rocks when we got 10" of snow that night.Several trips out to the Rockies for mulies,goats,bear,etc. I enjoyed hell out of all of it.
All I am saying is YES I have been to a game ranch, and No I am not ashamed to admit it. Hell I'll admit to killing a whitetail and on another trip a 6x6 elk. I even wanted some bison meat so I went to SD and killed a bull there for the freezer on a 60,000acre ranch ( though that doesn't relate to a game farm much)
But I did do my research and looked for a place that was not a walk out to the back 40 and slit their throat operation.I would not go to a 200 acre farm an expect to hunt elk. But I know it happens and if that's how a person wants to collect their meat an horn that is their bee's wax not mine.
I'm just curious if anyother frequent posters on this site have the balls to admit it. Or suddenly feel they must keep quiet so "others' won't harass them on here.BB

Sorry if I made that sound like everything was aimed at you personally, it was not. Just a general response to the area of question.

Why not just buy the rack and meat outright? Or is it that you get off on killin caged animals?

Mickey1 thank you, I've noticed in life those the least informed make the most noise.
Wash.: I think you need to do some research into why the landowner tags were created. Most go to NR hunters and they need to be used only on the landowner's land that signs the application. Free enterprize ( selling deer/elk hunts on your own property) is an American right.
Do your research then post. Maybe then you won't come across as a sour grape that hasn't private land to hunt. BB

I've never done it. I don't see myself doing it for elk or deer or whatever. It's not my thing.



I can easily afford it.



I would do it for something like pigs or maybe even bison, but I wouldn't do it for anything else.



If someone else picked up the tab, sure, i'd probaby go, if it was a really big operation, but it's just not worth it to me to hunt a elk behind a fence in Saskatchewan...



Some places are better than others, I suppose.



No kill=no pay=not real, IMHO!



I DO wish people that shoot an elk behind a fence would stop trying to portray themselves as having been on some sort of wilderness hunt.

I've been on pheasant preserves a few times with my dogs. It's dog training, if you asked me, not hunting. I'd rather go out five times and bag one wild ruffed grouse than shoot ten pheasants in a morning on a preserve.

One of the farms I hunted in RSA had high fences & it did bug me. If I have a choice in the future, no high fences for me.

Funny thing is I think I'm painted as a Ranch Hunter Hater, Ask Jimmy or others and I'm always there to bring up the "OTHER" side of it. I don't hate them nor have a Dislike of people that do it. Many can't understand why but Unlike most of you Blowhards, I can Usually see both sides of an Argument. Most of you guys ore on one side or the other.

I've actually hunted behind the Fence for Angora :



Hog :



Corsican Ram :



Texa Dahl :



And probably a few others....

But I've never hunted a Deer or Elk from one.. If you ask me why, It's because I don't have to. But if I lived in Texas were I couldn't do this :




THIS :



OR This :



I'd probably hunt behind the Fence for Game......

Yea, I'm poor and I don't have $9000 to kill an 370 bull elk that was a 4H project for some kid. Don't have the time to chase it round and round the 1000 acres after I picked "my" bull out from the lodges' death catalogue.
What I do know, that with $9000 I can test my wits dozens of times against wild, free-ranging elk on public land. I don't have some guy telling me which one I can or can't afford to shoot or have to sit in an elevated blind waiting for the poor bugger to come to the corn feeder. I may not get that 370 bull ever, but hey...a guy has got to have something to look forward to every fall. I would take a 300 point bull on public land over a 400 point fenced bull any day.

Well Moosie at the very least you got big enough balls to be honest and not make excuses. For that I say it's nice to know there are others that feel they can speak their mind and agree to disagree with other viewpoints.

I live in Pa where we have whitetails, I have killed three P&Y bucks here on my farm. My trip (fenced) to Wisconsin was for whitetails and was filmed for a tv show and the article was printed in Bowhunter magazine. And honestly it was more of a hunt than I thought it would be when i was asked to do it. 650 acres and I sat in a ladder stand for three mornings and afternoons and only saw 6 doe an fawn till i got a shot at a 138" buck which I took.

My fenced elk was not a "freebie" I paid for that one ($3000). I had killed 4 with gun in Mt and Colo. but nothing of any size. I hunted a place in Alberta that had 1750 acres, all one area no cross fences. you do not really know just how big 1750 acres is till you walk around in there . Anyhow I arrowed a bull 379 P&Y on the 2nd day after he came to cow calling. And it was no different than the other bulls I had killed except each of them were on private land and shot from 200-350 yds away on the first morning. If anything I hunted HARDER inside the fence. since that time I've killed 7 other bulls over 300" on a private ranch in MT with a bow, all from a tree stand that is built in an opening in a ranch fence that leads from bedding cover to a clover field. I do not see much difference in that type of hunt than the one behind the fence.Either way the meat was eaten by my family and myself.BB

Many of you are not looking at the big picture here. We can debate whether it's right or wrong to kill fenced-in game animals, but it doesn't matter. The whole point is, the private ownership of game animals is wrong and should not be legal anywhere in the United States. This country started out with the idea that wildlife was a public resource, just like the air and the water. Deer and elk were not owned by anybody. When this changed I have no idea. The problem with going on these so called "hunts," is that you are supporting the guy who is doing something that should be illegal anyway. It's no different than paying a prostitute for sex or a drug dealer for drugs. What you're doing is you are keeping the "bad guys" in business. Luckily there are some states that have enough sense to not allow this exploitation of our wildldife, states like Wyoming, Montana, and Washington. Montana voters just in the last couple of years passed a law that bans hunting of wildlife inside fences. We can only hope many other states will follow.

And yet another view:



Kangaroo - $35.00 - 1.75#

Wild Boar - $60.00 - 2-3#

Yak - $9.00 - 1#

Elk - $17.38 - .72# (yup, point72#)

Buffalo - $129.95 - 8 ea 8oz steaks

Rabbit - $29.50 - 3#

"Free Range Goose" - $83.86 - 14# (what is a free range goose?)



Didn't shop around much, but. This is not quite the same as a wilderness experience either. I don't anticipate getting much of this, but it does shed a different view on elk in a canyon.



Edit for Moosie - could not find any Free Range Fly prices, probably one of those "if you have to ask you can't afford it" things.

Washington Hunter, You know I have barely enough time to Battle your Banter on My board let alone here but Since I started I'll continue.

"This country started out with the idea that wildlife was a public resource, just like the air and the water. "

Thats about the dumbest thing I've heard.

We "ALL" Buy water and some people buy air. Everything you've mensioned is for Sale.

Just like Elk and Deer, I "CHOOSE" not to buy water. when something I consume costs more then it's worth I "CHOOSE" not to partake in the purchaseing of the Product.

Elk and Deer are Items I "CHOOSE" not to buy. Some people think they need to buy them just like they think Evian is better for them. Some people don't have the Time but have the Money to do such. Not all these people are Slob hunters jsut because they hunt behind the Fence.

Cows used to be wild too. So did horses. Just because man had them domesticated before your Grand-papa It's OK to Own them.

I will be dollars to Donuts that you will change NO-ONES mind that Hunting on a ranch is wrong, jsut like I won't change anyones mind that it's OK. the Only reason I jumped in these is Because it was Funny to see me make one post and Have Ankleson snap I'm guessing thats not a Good political move for me, but I think I remember him BAbbleing about Greeny in the PAst and that kind of Chit needs rebuttle

I wasn't going to discuss this any further but when You brought up that Buying a Prostitute was Bad, you got under my skin

(See you back at the Home front * KISS KISS < !--color--> *...)

I have heard that there are some fenced properties in Africa that are larger than Rhode Island, I would have no problem hunting there.
I think a better question might be "Can you have fair chase on a fenced hunt"......DJ

I agree with Dj. Moosie, I've never seen a wild cow yet in Wyoming. I'm sure they are here but they are elusive as hell.

Evian. Backwards: Naive. That is what the marketer of this particular product thought of his customers.

Chuck

I hunted Kudu behind one in South Africa. I also saw Kudu jumping over the fence in several areas. I also don't think it takes a "man" to admit it or admit you would do it again. Someone is glamorizing that aspect way beyond it's importance.

Quote by Washington Hunter: It's no different than paying a prostitute for sex or a drug dealer for drugs. I disagree. You apperently on the otherhand, have a problem with discerning crimes against people, and the philosophical wrong doings against mothernature you believe in.

smallfry, ok...so I wouldn't say it's EXACTLY like that, but I'm just trying to make a point. Don't you see that private ownership of deer and elk negatively affects our publicly owned wildlife? There is absolutely nothing good that comes from allowing private individuals to own deer and elk. Tell me, how is this a benefit? I don't feel like getting into all the negatives, but believe me, there are plenty of them. Why do you suppose a state with a high percentage of hunters (Montana) was able to ban high-fence hunting? It wasn't members of PETA that got that law passed, it was HUNTERS. Just that in itself should be a clue as to how high-fence hunting is perceived by the majority of people.

I've hunted in a fenced property in South Africa. Lots of thick thorn bushveld. The game was also very alert and didn't stick around after they spotted you. Most dificult African hunting I have had to date.

Washington: I think you made a couple large errors when you stated no one should be able to own wildlife (elk, deer) and refered that to the people that raise them for hunting/meat purposes.
These ranchers do not claim they are raising wildlife, they are protected in most states because they are rearing livestock. They are bred and raised as livestock ( free range, which means under controlled fenced but not confined to a cage just like free range chicken,geese,turkeys,etc.).
Your second error was the reason that HUNTERS in Mt voted to ban game ranche hunting. It was NOT because as hunters they did not see it as ethical. It WAS because of fear of CWD. CWD was in fact started as a virus purposely infected into 20 WILD elk that were captured and held by college students in a pen ,infected,studied then released back into the wild. Which is a fact many either overlook or completely disregard.
My family own ranch land in MT. surrounded by BLM property. They raise cattle and their feed. Which is to say they have 16000 acres of prime private land as a huge food plot. I'm sure you know what happens when mule deer and elk season starts on the BLM property. Yes they have instant 4 footed visitors on that range for the rest of the fall and most of the winter. there is a 4 strand wire around that property and all one needs to do is drive out in a truck, pick out the bull you want and BANG! They sell 10 @ $5000 elk/deer hunts each year always go 100% on game and tags ( landowner sponsored). That's $50,000 gross more than 2 years of ranching without the hunts. Do you see that as UNETHICAL...apparently the 3 yr waiting list of hunters does not! BB

So the elk they have are classified as livestock...so what? They are still the same species as our wild elk. That is the point. How did these ever come into private ownership? That is the question. If all wildlife when this country started was owned by the public, how did some get transferred into private ownership? It had to happen at some point. There wasn't always a separate species of elk that was domesticated and privately owned. What B.S. Also, high-fence hunts WERE banned in Montana because people see it as unethical, as well as a threat to our publicly owned wildlife due to CWD and other diseases.

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CWD was in fact started as a virus purposely infected into 20 WILD elk that were captured and held by college students in a pen ,infected,studied then released back into the wild

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This statement as far as I know is absolutely WRONG! Do you have any proof to back this up? Sounds like something some elk farmer would make up. I have done a lot of reading on CWD and if that were true I am sure I would have heard about it by now. The truth is, they DO NOT know where CWD originated.

The hunting that occurs on your family's ranch is NOT unethical in any way. There is not a fence keeping those elk there, and they are wild elk. Why in the world would anybody consider that untethical? I do however have a problem with landowner tags. Landowner tags create a situation in which ownership of public wildlife is basically given to private individuals. That is wrong. Your family could still sell hunts on their land with tags that a person had to draw for just like everybody else. Preference shouldn't be given to a certain class of people, simply because they have lots of money, and nowhere better to spend it. Seems that slowly the hunting in this country is turning into the European style of hunting, where only the rich are able to hunt, and that is really sad.

I've hunted behind a fence in Africa and in Texas. I took Nilgai in Texas, and my wife took a Blackbuck. I will not hunt for deer, elk, sheep, goats etc. behind a fence, but if someone else wants to, fine. People who try to force their holier than thou attitude about hunting on other people might as well join the no-hunting fraternity.

It WAS because of fear of CWD. CWD was in fact started as a virus purposely infected into 20 WILD elk that were captured and held by college students in a pen ,infected,studied then released back into the wild.

BB, do you have documented proof of that statement? I thought I read where it was thought that the CWD was contracted from I think cattle that were being studied and tested and then the elk were in the same holding pen at a later date. I would be interested in reading what documented proof of your above statement you have found.

You are both right. After CWD was noticed in the Elk Herd brought in they were released back into the wild. If the University would have had the foresight to destroy the animals when they were deemed to be infected with something we would not have the major problem we have now. Hindsight is so much more accurate.

I would also be curious for you guys backing up the side that game ranches know the cause of CWD. It's not as clear-cut as a Rope sucking~Stool pusher having his way with a Monkey and Starting AIDS. (Probably a topic W.H. and Jimmy know more about).

Do any of the ANTI game ranch's "KNOW" were CWD came from ? Or is it like the Ethics of hunting and it's something you heard from a friend or your Dad so it's Gospel now ? Come on, pull yourselves out of the past and wake up.

W.H. You're killing me again friend !! It's funny how ranch hunters have to defend why It's right but you won't get into why it's wrong Come on, what kind of a argument is that ? That�s some Logic I'd use to piss off someone I'm fighting with on the Net. In a serious debate look like�.. Uhhhh� like�. I do most of the time

You�re like the guy that says bear baiting is �WRONG� and then proceeds to bait his hook for fishing. Or talking about wilderness should be free of ATV�s and then throws his cigarette butt out the window. Guys that hunt planted plots to bring the deer in then bash the guys that hunt a 30,000 Acre ranch for a deer or elk.

I know were you stand, We�ve been discussing this for days� weeks� months� hell, might be �YEARS� by now over 3 different web sites. And I�ve never thought I would go hunt a Ranch, But I might go just to post a picture for yah.

I wont shoot pups in a barrel.