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Originally posted by Constructoman:
No most of this hunting was done on public land. We also did some of this on the leased property.

In your original postings you certainly gave the impression that you hunted only the 200 acres. You also stated you were

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2 of our hunters were on the "fully guided hunts" which meant that at daybreak they were dropped off at a stand where apples had been placed and left there until dark

also

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The other half of the property is for the semi guided hunters. There are 2 tree stands and one ground blind set up less than 200 yards apart from each other. These stands were for 7 hunters. We were warned if we venture onto the baited side he would throw us out of camp.

You have also stated that you were a last minute addition and got to go for free. I still question if you were a last minute addition just how much participation you had in the negotiations and dealings involved in arranging the hunt.

There are always two sides to the story and the truth is usually in the middle. I think we are moving closer and closer to that middle.

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Originally posted by kudu56:

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Unfortunately it was sold to the group as a "Guided" and "Semi-Guided" hunt. That is where I have a problem with this.

I can sure understand that.

As would I. Unfortunately I think its common to have inexperienced guides. Outfitters face the same problems every other employer does and hard work, long hours, low pay and; inexperienced, out of shape, clients with unrealistically expectations, and just generally difficult people to deal with aren't conditions that lend themselves to an ability to recruit, train and maintain staff.

Also as in any industry the reality almost always fails to live up the the marketing hype and glossy photos.

Buyer beware.

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Originally posted by Howard:

Also as in any industry the reality almost always fails to live up the the marketing hype and glossy photos.

Buyer beware.

Sheesh, what a rousing vote of confidence for outfitters. I say bullshit.......do your homework.....check references.....have written contracts ONLY......and demand what you paid for......"LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS".

This thread is a crock of dung......you have the client.....the outfitter.....and no one else who knows what the fuck they're talking about. I took it upon myself to call Mike Vaughn and tell him to come on here and defend himself.......glad to see he did. We still just have 2 uncorroborated stories.....a cheering section......and a nay sayer.

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You have also stated that you were a last minute addition and got to go for free. I still question if you were a last minute addition just how much participation you had in the negotiations and dealings involved in arranging the hunt.

this is a good point.

To all of you who quick to jump on the band wagon or agree to disagree unless you were there you do not have a clue lets paint the picture. Construction man shows up with out a gun ( what he’s a guide), another has not touched or shot his gun in year until he got to camp, another has a nice kimber but no bolt but he did bring a back up thank god, one of the hunting party fell asleep in the ground blind in the morning a when he opened his eyes there was elk in front of him he saw a few cows and decided to go back a sleep (was there a bull who knows sleep is more important I guess) and how about the cigar smoking guided hunter ya smoking a cigar while sitting in a tree stand (that will bring them in)and how about this one on the 3rd day 3 guys decided to drive 50 miles to a casino all day .
Yes I am the brother in law not a guide nor employed by Olympic mountain outfitters I was there to take Tanner (mikes 8 year old son ) out on his first elk hunt since his dad was working and unable to do so. Yes we did see bulls and would have also seen them in the area that the semis hunt ( they are there if you know how to hunt ). What I’m sayin is has any one took an 8 year old out in the woods stalking elk the boys not the quietest thing out there and we were able to see them and have opportunity . I doubt that construction man left the road. Yes the semis had 100 acres with tree stands and a ground blind and the option of 1000s of acres to hunt not here to bash any one ( well maybe constructionman) if that is your way to have a good time great!! but do not jump on someone’s back about it . The success rate of Olympic mountain outfitters is above other Roosevelt elk guides in Washington State because mike bust his rear end to make it so yes some harvest some do not that is hunting
As a guide or outfitter you are ether praised or shunned and as a so called bear guide constructionman you should be shunned 1. because you more than likely have had disgruntled clients and understand 2. you were quick to bad mouth some one for a free hunt that you borrowed a gun for.

Constructoman, you didn't bring a rifle??

Really?

505 gibbs, I was on this hunt with Constructoman and everything that he is stating in his Forum is TRUE. We paid for Semi-Guided and Guided Hunts and got nothing more then a do it yourself Hunt. Mike's living arrangements were horrible with the power going out every 10mins, a portable bathroom that is only cleaned out 1 time a week(picture 9 guys sharing this and how bad it stinks). Mike would tell all the guys over the phone that everybody would have a shot at a bull(funny thing was we ran into a local and he told us Elk are hunted 10 months out of the year up there).

The thing that really burnt a few guys was when Mike called 1hr after everybody left camp to let us know his son shot a 5x5. What kind of outfitter calls his clients that just left camp to brag that his son got a 5x5 when none of his clients got anything. Mike knew where the bulls were and didn't point anybody in that direction. He left them for his son and threw it in all of his clients faces that his son got one. Not what I call a good business man!!!! The only thing Mike was good at was pretending he was holding a rifle in his hands and saying BOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!! For what we paid for this trip we could have easily stayed in a hotel, hunted the public land, and still saved money on what we paid Olympic Outfitters. BUYER BE WARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by kudu56:This is the internet, you owe no one nothing. And personally NORTON, it is none of your F*cking business what I think, or where I get my information, and I could care two sh*ts what you think!!!!! So I guess I do kinda know "what the f*ck" I am talking about, Myself, Mike, or his brother-in-law, owe no one an explanation. But now you have have it!


OMG! They had to share a portapotty!! And it was only cleaned once a week!!! Beats the hell out of a hole in the ground out behind a tree. Better than anything I have ever had on probably 25 guided hunts! Of which I paid a lot more than what Mike charges.

Kudu56, Norton was the one who alerted Mike, the outfitter, about this thread.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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As a group we:
1.) sat stands from daylight to dark
2.) stalked the big timber
3.) drove logging roads
4.) set up on trails and waited
5.) posted clear cuts with meadows and trails
6.) organized drives through timber with posters

you did all of this on 200 acres?

Stories getting kinda twisted isn't it 505

Hi Kudu I didn't take Norton's post the way you did. I think he basically said what you said.

The only people who really know what happened are the ones that were there and nobody else does. Least that is how I read it.

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Originally posted by Hunter21:
Mike would tell all the guys over the phone that everybody would have a shot at a bull(funny thing was we ran into a local and he told us Elk are hunted 10 months out of the year up there).

LOL a ten month hunting season sure would indicate there are plenty of elk!

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Originally posted by Hunter21: For what we paid for this trip we could have easily stayed in a hotel, hunted the public land, and still saved money on what we paid Olympic Outfitters.

That is true of most guided hunts though.

Sounds as though you didn't get what you expected which is unfortunate. I think we all have been in that spot at one time or another. Chalk it up to experience and learn from it. All one can do after the fact.

Your experience doesn't mean that another group with a different set up expectations wouldn't be completely satisfied with the same set of conditions.

This whole hunt sounds like most things in life. You get back out of it what you put into it. Show up at last minute, show up unprepared, sleep in the blind, go gambling etc. Nothing wrong with any of that just don't blame others for lack of success with the actual hunt if you choose to be so lackadaisical about it.

I has one of the nine hunters on this trip. First off I was involved since the beginning as a Semi-guided hunter and talked to Mike twice before the hunt. He told me that the stands and blinds we were to hunt from were about 500 yards from camp. How can that be if we were to hunt public land? He told me that he had been putting out apples on the clear cuts and that he had stands and blinds for the hunters, did not mention that they were for the guided hunters. He also told me that everyone will see Elk and have a shot opportunity. Six out of nine hunters saw no Elk. I has chased out of a tree stand by Mike because he said the stands were only for the guided hunters, this was not told to me before hand. I had four cows and a bull in my sight when this happened. He also did not tell me or the others that we will be hunting on public land. I have been on guided and semi-guided hunts before and this hunt was neither. There were no apples in the fields for the first five days, when I questioned him about this, his reply was that if you put a red ball out they will come. All our hunting was not on his leased propery but was on public land. If we did not have our own three vehicles Mike could not have taken all of us to the public land that was full of hunters.The camp and accomadations were horrible as Contructionoman had said. One porta-potty for 16 people in camp.I called Mike twice in the two weeks prior to the hunt and he never returned my calls. Bottom line is, the hunt and accomadations was not what Mike had told us, he only told us what he wanted to with a lot left out. I would have expected a simular camp if I was 10 miles in the bush and living in tents, this was not to be that kind of hunt. All info I was given by Mike prior to the hunt was untrue or not told to me or any other hunter in camp.

Whitworth.
I live in Canada. In order to bring a firearm into the USA paperwork must be completed (form 6N) This takes several weeks. I had 4 hours notice regarding this hunt. I spoke to my hunting partners before I left and they assured me that they had sufficient firearms for me to borrow and use.

One other thing for everone that was not on this hunt. Go to this site and read the legal article about Olympic Mountain Outfitters.

fwoa.org/newsletter/sept2007.pdf

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Originally posted by Constructoman:
Whitworth.
I live in Canada. In order to bring a firearm into the USA paperwork must be completed (form 6N) This takes several weeks. I had 4 hours notice regarding this hunt. I spoke to my hunting partners before I left and they assured me that they had sufficient firearms for me to borrow and use.

Just trying to understand the situation.

Seems Olympic Outfitters has been in trouble in the past

http://www.fwoa.org/newsletters/sept2007.pdf

Mr. BrotherIn Law.

It seems like you knew and Mike knew where the bulls were hiding.
Just to make it clear. We as a group and individually asked Mike numerous times to show us on a map where we should hunt. We pleaded with him to "GUIDE" us. As a guide, it is his duty to help the client as much as possible. Both of you knew the locationsof elk, why did he never say "Go there", you should see elk?
His only interest was to collect the money, NOT help his clients harvest an elk.

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Originally posted by kudu56:

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Kudu56, Norton was the one who alerted Mike, the outfitter, about this thread.

No he wasn't, and I am not going to explain that either! norton also lumped us all together saying, quote: (and no one else who knows what the fuck they're talking about), just shows he doesn't know what he is talking about.

More BS from kudu56.......Ask your friend Mike about the guy from NH who called him as a courtesy to tell him he oughta come on here and defend himself. As I stated earlier, you don't know jack.

I think all of the people that are defending Mike are a complete joke.

MrBrotherinLaw needs to put his overalls back on and go back to the local trailer park. He was only in the camp 2 days and got all his information from Mike.

It's just pretty pathetic that all you low lives can do is talk trash and take shots at the people that went. Guess the TRUTH F***ing HURTS MIKE VAUGHN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boy, you really told me kudu.....and it only took 4 separate posts. Isn't it too early to start boozing in WY right now?

And I was supposed to know he was already alerted how? Hero? Nah, just thought he deserved a fair shot.

And I stand by my assertion......you don't know jack.....and you can't spell well enough to call people names.

Kudu, what are you getting so worked up about? Is it possible that both you and Norton called Mike? I don't see your conflict being with Norton, but you sure have gotten defensive.

I agree that before the "facts" even come out, the masses jump in and voice opinions on a partially told story. That's just the nature of the internet -- unfortunately.

Gee, Kudu56, you sure are getting loud and vulgar to not have a dog in this fight. Or do you? Just wondering.

I found the one post interesting where it was stated that the reason the party didn't see any elk was because "they didn't know how to hunt". Seems to me that is why you hire a guide. You know, the fellow that is supposed to know where the game is and how to hunt it.

Yeah, some folks are getting worked up over this.

Correct, some have made decisions based upon what the OP stated and his discontent, along with a couple buddies now. Others have come on and said don't believe a complete stranger and the outfitter is legit. Well, both supporters and non-supporters are complete strangers as far as I'm concerned. So, why should anyone believe one side or the other based upon "strangers" yea or nea.

I'm sure most have already formed their own decision about hunting with OMO and will do so according to those decisions.

That was amazing!

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Correct, some have made decisions based upon what the OP stated and his discontent, along with a couple buddies now. Others have come on and said don't believe a complete stranger and the outfitter is legit. Well, both supporters and non-supporters are complete strangers as far as I'm concerned. So, why should anyone believe one side or the other based upon "strangers" yea or nea.

My exact point from the beginning. Until Norton stated none of us knew jack.

kudu56
Just to give you the correct info, there was three groups of hunters. I personnaly talked to both groups and they were not satified for the same reasons we posted. The first group arrived on the Thursday before the hunt, I talked with them on Friday & Saturday night, only two days into the hunt and they were not satisfied. I talked to the other group midway into the hunt any they had the same feelings. A couple guys said they hunted with Mike. Was that with bow or rifle?? If it was with bow I'm presumming the hunting situation was different for some reason.

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Originally posted by kudu56:

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Correct, some have made decisions based upon what the OP stated and his discontent, along with a couple buddies now. Others have come on and said don't believe a complete stranger and the outfitter is legit. Well, both supporters and non-supporters are complete strangers as far as I'm concerned. So, why should anyone believe one side or the other based upon "strangers" yea or nea.

My exact point from the beginning. Until Norton stated none of knew jack.

No, you were part of the problem. Like most of us here, you have no first hand knowledge of the hunt in question. You may know Mike and might think that he's a great guy, but as far as I can tell from reading your poorly-written, profanity laced posts, you were not in camp with the OP.

I don't know what actually happened in between the OP's group and Mike, but I do know that you've discredited yourself in my eyes with the way you've conducted yourself in this thread.

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Originally posted by kudu56:

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Sheesh, what a rousing vote of confidence for outfitters. I say bullshit.......do your homework.....check references.....have written contracts ONLY......and demand what you paid for......"LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS".

This thread is a crock of dung......you have the client.....the outfitter.....and no one else who knows what the fuck they're talking about. I took it upon myself to call Mike Vaughn and tell him to come on here and defend himself.......glad to see he did. We still just have 2 uncorroborated stories.....a cheering section......and a nay sayer.

Norton's post above, follow the posts, I had first hand knowledge of Mikes hunts, so I do know what I am talking about. From my perspective. Not a group of complete strangers that jump on the band wagon. I held my replies and stayed out of the negetive discussion, unitl I was told "I didn't know Jack" or that I didn't know "what the f&ck I was talking about". And for Norton to make those assertions, shows just how much of a dumb@ss he is!

You were not involved in the hunt in question, so you do not have personal knowledge that is helpful to understanding what happened in this case. Take a deep breath, walk away from the computer, and relax.

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Originally posted by kudu56:
Also by Norton! Where is the BS he accuses me of? I will state again, he did not "ALERT" Mike, he called well after my son called.

Now how in the world is Norton supposed to know that he wasn't the first to alert Mike?? The fact that he did call Mike says to me that he is playing fair.

That being said, I think that we are all beating the tar out of a dead horse.

Now everyone step back, take a deep breath.

We'll never know all the facts but I can guarantee this thread is doing the outfitter much more harm than good, which is what Constructo wanted. Who in their right mind would book with them even if only a fraction of the allegations were true? Not anyone I know. Course most guys I know don't hunt elk over barrels of apples or out of blinds.

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Originally posted by kudu56:

Yeah, Norton's a douchebag! And I could give a sh!t less what some one from Ky thinks!

Well, at least you found a dictionary.

If I was OMO, I would beg you to stop trying to help their cause. Epic fail!!

There ya go douchebag! That better? This is the internet, who gives a shit?

Here is post #1 from someone named appropriately "Brother in Law"

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To all of you who quick to jump on the band wagon or agree to disagree unless you were there you do not have a clue lets paint the picture. Construction man shows up with out a gun ( what he’s a guide), another has not touched or shot his gun in year until he got to camp, another has a nice kimber but no bolt but he did bring a back up thank god, one of the hunting party fell asleep in the ground blind in the morning a when he opened his eyes there was elk in front of him he saw a few cows and decided to go back a sleep (was there a bull who knows sleep is more important I guess) and how about the cigar smoking guided hunter ya smoking a cigar while sitting in a tree stand (that will bring them in)and how about this one on the 3rd day 3 guys decided to drive 50 miles to a casino all day .
Yes I am the brother in law not a guide nor employed by Olympic mountain outfitters I was there to take Tanner (mikes 8 year old son ) out on his first elk hunt since his dad was working and unable to do so. Yes we did see bulls and would have also seen them in the area that the semis hunt ( they are there if you know how to hunt ). What I’m sayin is has any one took an 8 year old out in the woods stalking elk the boys not the quietest thing out there and we were able to see them and have opportunity . I doubt that construction man left the road. Yes the semis had 100 acres with tree stands and a ground blind and the option of 1000s of acres to hunt not here to bash any one ( well maybe constructionman) if that is your way to have a good time great!! but do not jump on someone’s back about it . The success rate of Olympic mountain outfitters is above other Roosevelt elk guides in Washington State because mike bust his rear end to make it so yes some harvest some do not that is hunting
As a guide or outfitter you are ether praised or shunned and as a so called bear guide constructionman you should be shunned 1. because you more than likely have had disgruntled clients and understand 2. you were quick to bad mouth some one for a free hunt that you borrowed a gun for.

And this would be post #2 from Hunter21

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505 gibbs, I was on this hunt with Constructoman and everything that he is stating in his Forum is TRUE. We paid for Semi-Guided and Guided Hunts and got nothing more then a do it yourself Hunt. Mike's living arrangements were horrible with the power going out every 10mins, a portable bathroom that is only cleaned out 1 time a week(picture 9 guys sharing this and how bad it stinks). Mike would tell all the guys over the phone that everybody would have a shot at a bull(funny thing was we ran into a local and he told us Elk are hunted 10 months out of the year up there).

The thing that really burnt a few guys was when Mike called 1hr after everybody left camp to let us know his son shot a 5x5. What kind of outfitter calls his clients that just left camp to brag that his son got a 5x5 when none of his clients got anything. Mike knew where the bulls were and didn't point anybody in that direction. He left them for his son and threw it in all of his clients faces that his son got one. Not what I call a good business man!!!! The only thing Mike was good at was pretending he was holding a rifle in his hands and saying BOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!! For what we paid for this trip we could have easily stayed in a hotel, hunted the public land, and still saved money on what we paid Olympic Outfitters. BUYER BE WARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

uhoh, tchunter in da house with post #3

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has one of the nine hunters on this trip. First off I was involved since the beginning as a Semi-guided hunter and talked to Mike twice before the hunt. He told me that the stands and blinds we were to hunt from were about 500 yards from camp. How can that be if we were to hunt public land? He told me that he had been putting out apples on the clear cuts and that he had stands and blinds for the hunters, did not mention that they were for the guided hunters. He also told me that everyone will see Elk and have a shot opportunity. Six out of nine hunters saw no Elk. I has chased out of a tree stand by Mike because he said the stands were only for the guided hunters, this was not told to me before hand. I had four cows and a bull in my sight when this happened. He also did not tell me or the others that we will be hunting on public land. I have been on guided and semi-guided hunts before and this hunt was neither. There were no apples in the fields for the first five days, when I questioned him about this, his reply was that if you put a red ball out they will come. All our hunting was not on his leased propery but was on public land. If we did not have our own three vehicles Mike could not have taken all of us to the public land that was full of hunters.The camp and accomadations were horrible as Contructionoman had said. One porta-potty for 16 people in camp.I called Mike twice in the two weeks prior to the hunt and he never returned my calls. Bottom line is, the hunt and accomadations was not what Mike had told us, he only told us what he wanted to with a lot left out. I would have expected a simular camp if I was 10 miles in the bush and living in tents, this was not to be that kind of hunt. All info I was given by Mike prior to the hunt was untrue or not told to me or any other hunter in camp.

and post #3 for "the contender" as I refer to him.

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One other thing for everone that was not on this hunt. Go to this site and read the legal article about Olympic Mountain Outfitters.

Hunter21 is getting hot on his 2nd post

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I think all of the people that are defending Mike are a complete joke.

MrBrotherinLaw needs to put his overalls back on and go back to the local trailer park. He was only in the camp 2 days and got all his information from Mike.

It's just pretty pathetic that all you low lives can do is talk trash and take shots at the people that went. Guess the TRUTH F***ing HURTS MIKE VAUGHN!!!!!!!!!!!!

The contender jacks up fubu56 w/post #3, I guess the 1st 4 don't count anymore

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kudu56
Just to give you the correct info, there was three groups of hunters. I personnaly talked to both groups and they were not satified for the same reasons we posted. The first group arrived on the Thursday before the hunt, I talked with them on Friday & Saturday night, only two days into the hunt and they were not satisfied. I talked to the other group midway into the hunt any they had the same feelings. A couple guys said they hunted with Mike. Was that with bow or rifle?? If it was with bow I'm presumming the hunting situation was different for some reason.

Wow !!,

This whole thing amazes me, from the comments/accusations from those directly involved, to the language and behavior of those just on this website.

In almost all other forums I participate in, this post would have been locked by now.

But it is not,

so I get a chance to add my opinion.

First I would like to tell you that I am a resident of southwestern Washington State.

I have been hunting Elk for 32 years, in Washington State.

The situation, as I see it, stems from the "customers" statements as follows,

1. Our group of 9 hunters only saw one spike bull the entire week we were hunting.

2. "fully guided hunts" which meant that at daybreak they were dropped off at a stand where apples had been placed and left there until dark.

3. Mike has 200 acres of leased land that he hunts.

4. There was an elk guide in camp the first day (Mikes brother in law) he took Mikes son Tanner out to hunt the first 2 days

5. "Guided hunt" cost $4000.00 plus license
6. "Semi guided hunt" cost $2600.00 plus license.
Now he was dissatisfied with his "hunt", there really is no guarantee that you will see/harvest an Elk, no matter who or where you hunt (except high fence), so #1 is really not an issue, however I will address that later....

#2 Disgusts me, in my opinion that is not "guided", that is what other, larger and more reputable, operations refer to as "semi-guided"

#3 I find laughable, There might be a small herd on that property, but they will be gone as soon as they receive ANY pressure.

#4 ONE guide for all hunters in camp ?

# 5 & #6, In most cases, you get what you pay for, but those prices seem like you should have been actually taken out in the woods where there were more than one "local" herd.

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The response from the outfitter, well...........

#1 With the utmost respect I would like to address the negative claims made against my outfitting service.

#2 The man who made these claims against me was a semi-guided hunter who had paid for meals and lodging and a topographical map of an area with an elk population of 13,500 animals.

#3 He was expected to find these elk on his own.

#4 He had immediate access to millions of acres of prime hunting real estate.

#5 As an estimated 375lb. individual I don't think he was fit and capable of finding an elk in the wild, on his own.

#6 There are some people that should not book a semi-guided hunt, that instead, should book fully guided hunts and sit in one of my baited stand locations.

#7 The guys that did kill elk said that they had the easiest and best elk hunt that they had ever been on.

#8 I would like to mention our archery hunting for this season. Out of 19 hunters, we had 15 shot opportunities and 9 harvested elk. All of these kills came by way of bait pile and treestand tactics.

He started out professionally, I have to give him credit,

#1 Good for him.

#2 "semi-guided hunter who had paid for meals and lodging and a topographical map of an area with an elk population of 13,500 animals."

A topo map of the whole St Helens area ? You got to be kidding me ? (I say this because it is the only herd of that size in WA), That area consists of 16 individual Game Management units, some closed to hunting, some permit only, and covering millions of acres.

Was he expected to walk out of camp to access this area, or was transportation or fuel provided ? (I know the answer)

#3 What ??? I just cannot get over that statement, That is where the "guide" part comes in,

guide (gd)

n.
1.
a. One who shows the way by leading, directing, or advising.
b. One who serves as a model for others, as in a course of conduct.
2. A person employed to conduct others, as through a museum, and give information about points of interest encountered.
3.
a. Something, such as a pamphlet, that offers basic information or instruction.
Even on a "semi-guided" hunt you should have, at least, given him some advice, other than to "book a fully guided hunt"
#4 Welcome to Washington, what else can you say ?
#5 As far as his size and physical condition, I understand that is a common complaint from Outfitters and Guides, but being "capable of finding an elk in the wild, on his own.", that is what the money was for, as in "Guide", again.
#6 As I stated previously, "Semi-Guided" means to "sit in one of my baited stand locations" (without a guide)
#7 Considering, sitting in a blind, shooting a baited Elk, it doesn't get any easier than that.
#8 When you mention Archery hunters, that most likely includes antlerless opportunities, and 15 out of 19 sounds good, but only 9 harvested out of 15 shot opportunities, from "bait pile and treestand tactics.", were the archers that bad of shots, or did the wounded animal run onto the neighbors property ?
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Originally posted by kudu56:
There ya go douchebag! That better? This is the internet, who gives a shit?

Kudu,

Really?

And you are trying to help this outfitter?

Mike Vaughn, you can probably do better with another spokesman. I am not buying whatever he is selling.

Stikinstringbow
Thank you.

This thread seems to be building the AR membership.

I don't think I have ever seen so many new guys.

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Originally posted by Constructoman:
Stikinstringbow
Thank you.

Sure is lots of folks showing up out of the blue on this thread.

I don't know who's right or who's wrong but I wouldn't want to hunt with any of y'all

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
I don't know who's right or who's wrong but I wouldn't want to hunt with any of y'all

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

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Originally posted by Constructoman:
Stikinstringbow
Thank you.

Sure is lots of folks showing up out of the blue on this thread.

I don't know who's right or who's wrong but I wouldn't want to hunt with any of y'all

Probably not, I hunt with Traditional Archery gear, and hike an average of 10 miles a day in my search for Elk, sleep in a tent, and i rarely get one,.... but I see a lot.