Jamison suing Browning/Win. over short mags????

22 April 2005, 03:07

AnotherAZWriter

Actually the URL is shortmags.org

If this is true, and Jamison didn't apply for a patent, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of success.

I have a patent pending on a software idea; patents are not cheap, but the lawyers I talked to said unless you apply for one (within a year of your invention becoming public knowledge) you are out of luck.

Being a bit of gun hack myself, I can't imagine a writer suing a gun manufacturer. It must be a rumor.

22 April 2005, 04:19

TheBigGuy

Odds are seriously against anyone who is not a manufacturer winning a patent dispute. Unless he had actually made the rounds and rifles to go along with it AND applied for the patent within a year. Patents are still seriously weakened if the holder is not the maker of the item.

I wholeheartedly agree with AZwriters accessment.

22 April 2005, 10:34

okie john

Once upon a time there was a very good 22 centerfire cartridge called the .22 Varminter. I can't remember the name of the man who developed it, and I'm not even sure that was the name he used. Anyway, his cartridge was so good that he patented it and the name, hoping to make his fame and fortune from it. In due time, the major manufacturers decided to chamber it. They expected (or got) some resistance, so they altered his invention just enough to get around the patent. They made a ton of money, and now I can't remember the inventor's name.

But I do remember what the major manufacturers call their version of his patented cartridge: the 22-250.

Okie John

22 April 2005, 14:48

Hot Core

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
What's this rumor I heard about Jamison suing Browning over short mags saying he invented them?

Wouldn't surprise me at all that old "300Mag" would attempt such utter foolishness.

Next thing you will hear is he will want "Royalties" anytime someone mentions the 300WinMag is a fine cartridge. Not because he invented it, but because that is basically the ONLY cartridge he talked about for 25 years.

Once I realized jamison was "skewing the Loading Data" in an attempt to down-play other cartridges when compared to the 300WinMag, I realized he had lost his credability with me. The bad part is if he had just reported them "fairly", the 300WinMag would still have looked great.

Pitiful!

22 April 2005, 23:13

Ralphie

Okie john,

It wasn't "Gebby" was it?

23 April 2005, 07:49

500grains

quote:
Originally posted by okie john:
Once upon a time there was a very good 22 centerfire cartridge called the .22 Varminter. I can't remember the name of the man who developed it, and I'm not even sure that was the name he used. Anyway, his cartridge was so good that he patented it and the name, hoping to make his fame and fortune from it. In due time, the major manufacturers decided to chamber it. They expected (or got) some resistance, so they altered his invention just enough to get around the patent. They made a ton of money, and now I can't remember the inventor's name.

But I do remember what the major manufacturers call their version of his patented cartridge: the 22-250.

Okie John

That story is probably urban myth. I doubt he received a patent for a new cartridge design (which is the same as all of the old cartridge designs except for dimensions which can be varied by any engineer or hobbyist).

23 April 2005, 08:16

CaptJack

the 22 & 6mm PPCs have been out there a long time. the faster powders were developed for them and the bench rest shooters.
For that matter the .308 isn't that far removed from the WSMs.
It sounds like a rumor to me...

23 April 2005, 08:29

OldFart

JD Jones apparently did something to license the 300 Whisper. He even claims that his load data will not work in the 300/221 cartridge, even though they are the same thing (he will likely even debate me on this). He defends this cartridge, as his, with a passion.

I guess what I am saying is that it may not be a urban legend. I would like to see someone give more information on the subject.

23 April 2005, 13:51

tom holland

quote:
Originally posted by CaptJack:
the 22 & 6mm PPCs have been out there a long time. the faster powders were developed for them and the bench rest shooters.
For that matter the .308 isn't that far removed from the WSMs.
It sounds like a rumor to me...

There was a patent on the ppc or what ever it's called don't know if still in effect today.

24 April 2005, 23:03

Sabot

quote:
Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Actually the URL is shortmags.org

If this is true, and Jamison didn't apply for a patent, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of success.

I have a patent pending on a software idea; patents are not cheap, but the lawyers I talked to said unless you apply for one (within a year of your invention becoming public knowledge) you are out of luck.

Being a bit of gun hack myself, I can't imagine a writer suing a gun manufacturer. It must be a rumor.

For the software, it would not hurt to also copyright it. The copyright is automatically granted in a few days and costs about $15. Good luck.

25 April 2005, 17:34

N. Garrett

If this lawsuit is true, the irony would be that in the 1950's there where multiple wildcats that are virtually identical to the current Win short mags (including case head size).

They were made from 348 Win. brass, with the rim turned off on a lathe.

Some had radiused shoulders (like the Weatherby's), and others had conventional shoulders like the WSM.

I doubt a suit like this would get very far.

Garrett