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Trail cam for both photos is of course in the same spot. Note the two thin blades of grass in the bobcat photo and see how they go well above the bobcat and how they disappear in the mountain lion.





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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Must be kitty heaven around there, they look well fed.


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Very Cool
 
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The last one probably ate a few of those enviro wacko's.
 
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There are a LOT of Mtn Lions here in Cali. Nice pictures of that one. I've seen them briefly but never gotten that good of a glimpse at one.


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You California boys need to take back your lion hunting. It is about time you tax payers stop paying for government hunters to do your killing for you. You need to get the information about the lions dying at the hands of these hunters and and have the sportsmen do it instead. Collecting money from tags instead of tax payers footing the bill. The same enviro freaks that want to save the lions don't realize their taxes are doing the killing now.



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A few years ago here in the central coast area, a police officer shot and killed one that was prowling a residential area of the city in daylight. They were planning on tranqualizing it and it came at the officer so he shot and killed it. You wouldn't believe the outrage and the hate mail he got. You would have thought he had killed an infant in it's mothers arms. On second thought, he probably would have gotten less hate over that.


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Chilcotin HB,

I am sure you have the best of intentions. However, it would a) require an initiative with 51% of the votes or b) 51% of elected officials wanting to accomplish such a thing and that is never going to happen in the state of California.

So unfortunately message like yours only instill confidence in the anti hunting crowd by allowing them to revel in fellow hunters chastising each other.


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Great example of the difference between a bobcat/house cat and a real mountain lion.

It looks like there walking on a road? How far from the camera are they?


I have walked in the foot prints of the elephant, listened to lion roar and met the buffalo on his turf. I shall never be the same.
 
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TH,
I guess I'm the only one who can answer those questions...

They ARE walking on a dirt ranch road - several miles back in off of any public road and as wet as this winter was that road hadn't been driven for a month or two when the photo was taken.

The camera was roughly 20' to 25' from that part of the road where the cats were in these photos. (I was actually trying to get animals walking on the trail in the foreground and didn't realize the camera would pick up animals clear back on the road in the dark.)

That camera has been moved all around that area in the past year+ and captured at least 40,000 pictures. While I have plenty of bobcat photos, that one stroll past is the only lion I've gotten.

Kyler
 
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Cool pics Mike!


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