This program shows how brainwashed and programmed that biologist and fish and game are these days .The elk numbers in Yellowstone went from 26,000 down to 2000 very quickly .The decline started when they brought the wolves to the park .Grizzly and black bears had been.there forever and elk numbers stayed the same for a long time with the.bears .The biologist said they didn't.see the wolves eating the elk .Bears hibernated in the winter so.It's the wolves killing.The elk in.The snow .They found.there were no cow elk under nine years old so the breeding.stock was killed off .They had every excuse that it was not the.wolves killing.them .Then they blamed fisherman for stocking lake trout in the lake and blamed.them for.cutthroat trout disappearing .They killed all the lake trout fry and tons of the.lake trout .They said the bears loss their food base of the cutthroat but.They were already gone .They blames lake trout for killing.off the elk because the bears ate more elk .
This bunch.of biologist didn't look at winter in the snow by the wolves at all .They are the ones wiping.out the elk but.liberal biologist who don't want the wolves to be removed have every excuse .
Teddy Roosevelt and his buddies killed off the wolves to restore the elk ,moose and deer .Wolves reintroduction has wiped out in a very short time huge herds of elk .They are replacing.hunters with wolves .I see the same thing here with the introduction of red wolves and coydogs that breed quickly.

Mike:

Yep, and IF they repeat that bs often enough the anti's and others will buy it and start more anti propaganda to end hunting. that's the end goal of all this crap.

George

Bear hunted the LoLo area of Idaho before wolves for bears, counted 438 Elk and 423 deer in 6 days. Hunted the same area 3 years later after the wolves moved in... 0 deer and 0 elk.

We were up there a few years ago and I was struck by the total absence of elk. In 1 week we saw 2 and no moose. The bison have replaced them. They are everywhere. I don't think the wolves can kill them in the snow.

C.G.B.

Here ya go:

https://youtu.be/YhbaSNdKqu8

The fact that these wolves would kill off their prey was known and forecast by many experienced outdoors men and there was no logical argument for introducing wolves into the ecosystem.
The wolf intro was enviro nuts/politicians versus hunters; so far, the anti gun/hunting nuts have won- despite proof that it was a big mistake.

Wolves Suck !!!!

Spent five days in the Park last week. Never saw a moose. A ranger said no one had seen any moose since spring. Supposedly they have moved down into Teton, where the count is allegedly the highest it has ever been. At least they had the instinct to clear out! We did see one pack of wolves along the Larimer River.

DOn444 the way wolves are increasing it's
obvious they're NOT sucking!!

George

I live just north of the Park and the elk didn't just die off, not saying none did, they moved. As you get towards the freeway the wolves run into a "no tolerance" zone of ranches and move into longer wolf seasons and no quota kill areas. The Bangtails used to have a few elk in them, they now have thousands over objective, they moved there from the areas where wolves were a serious hazard.

The real problem is non elected bureaucrats. Can't get rid of them.

We are being replaced by predators .The brain washed biologist have no clue except for watching computer models .Here in Georgia I.was told by a head biologist shooting coyotes had effects on deer populations .They radio collared 150 coyotes with our licence money to.see where coyotes go instead of paying a bounty on them .In Alaska the moose are getting hit hard by wolves in deep snow years .Friends found hundreds of caribou and moose skeletons from winter wolf kills .Wolves hunt.year around and in packs they can wipe out entire moose and elk herds .These brainwashed biologist use our money to bring in predators and use them for.their studies which show wolves do no harm .Large game such as moose and elk have no chance in deep.snow .WE had buffalo wolves in Alaska that followed the buffalo herds and got almost every calf .
Teddy Roosevelt and his buddies had the right idea get rid of the predators to bring back the big game animals quickly.If we don't act quickly elk ,moose and deer hunting will be a thing of the past quickly.!

I guess I don't understand the logic that elk and moose cant manage in deep snow but wolves can.
I would expect deep snow to impact shorter leg animals more than long leg ones.

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Originally posted by Bob Nisbet:
I guess I don't understand the logic that elk and moose cant manage in deep snow but wolves can.
I would expect deep snow to impact shorter leg animals more than long leg ones.

They're lighter and their feet aren't hard hooved, so they don't sink in the snow (once it has a crust on it.) In powder, they would flounder like the prey, but a freeze allows them to run on the top while the prey breaks through.

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Originally posted by Bob Nisbet:
I guess I don't understand the logic that elk and moose cant manage in deep snow but wolves can.
I would expect deep snow to impact shorter leg animals more than long leg ones.

The moose, elk and deer break the trail the wolves follow along wearing them down.

Those of us that live in snow country see all the time.

We've got an elk population at the Ya Ha Tinda Ranch that has been severely affected by Grizzlies. They come down in the Spring and play havoc with the calf crop. Not rocket science.

Grizz

Three friends and I just got back from 3 1/2 days riding around in Yellowstone at daylight and sundown looking for bugling bulls. We saw 3-4 deer, 15-20 elk, one grizzly and no moose. I could have seen more deer and elk in Estes Park, Colorado in twenty minutes !

Large areas in Alaska especially the parks have been wiped out of moose and caribou by wolves and bears .
I saw with my own eyes wolves and bears hunting moose together .They ran them in a circle and went for their acheles tendons on adult and young moose .They didn't go for the weak.and sick like we were always taught .A friend found almost 400 moose and caribou skeletons after a hard snow.last year .Moose and elk are so heavy they fall through deep snow .The wolves being much larger with alot less poundage per square inch handle deep snow alot better .
The liberals in the govt are trying to end hunting by letting predators eat up all the game.
It.won't take long and they will wipe out game to so low of.populations they can't recover .I believe the reintroduction of wolves in the west and putting grizzlies on the endangered list are the biggest treats to
Hunting as we know it.I saw how quickly in Alaska how predators and weather could totally decimate populations of large game !

Mystery? Please. Devastation of ungulates isn't their concern because they decided one animal species is more better than another. Disgusting hypocrites guided by nothing more than emotion and if it takes a civil war to stop them sign me up.

The liberal bastards,lied about the number wolves they put in Idaho, but lieing is a profession with those people..They can't even understand the math of it all...Wolves litter and elk and deer have one maybe two off spring of which only one matures as a rule, go figure!..I get so damn sick of those peoples ignorance or deceit. Then Idaho finally took them to task and opened season on wolves..but wolves are mostly nocturnal and shy of people and hunting these preditors just does not work.What works is poison, getters, and traps. but of course you can't use poison or getters anymore except in certain states that don't have wolves, but have a coyote problem. Wolves in the pacific NW are now known to hunt down and kill Mt. Lions, according to Idaho game officials..There is no end to these people that ate their books in college and mostly raised in LA and Chicago, maybe New York, and live in a fairy tale world..Most of Idahos elk have move out into the desert and sage brush, but sooner or later the wolves will follow, once they get in that desert, they will and can be hunted.

The other 4 letter word the liberals use so much is WOLF..and that is the problem..EVEN THE IDIOTS KNOW THIS.

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:

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Originally posted by Bob Nisbet:
I guess I don't understand the logic that elk and moose cant manage in deep snow but wolves can.
I would expect deep snow to impact shorter leg animals more than long leg ones.

The moose, elk and deer break the trail the wolves follow along wearing them down.

Those of us that live in snow country see all the time.

I think even more importantly, once there is a crust on the snow wolves can often stay on top.

I hate to sound like a cynical conspiracy nut case but the cougar population is doing the same thing with deer and pigs in California. Eliminate hunting and there is one less "need" for firearms. In a generation, nobody hunts and you serfs don't need guns anymore so just turn them in and pay your taxes.

Wolves and Libtards are kindred spirits. They destroy one area then move on to the next.

Yep, all the liberals are moving go Colorado and MOntana to get their kids out of the California gang mentality..So they move to Colorado where dope is legal and to Montana where the air is pure and the kids form new gangs, so Im told. We are seeing a little of that in Idaho these days.