"This is a strengthening of a case we've been building for a long time."


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Sometimes I wonder if the solution is not banning lead, but having people bury or cover gut piles to deter or prevent raptors from eating them.

I'm up for covering piles with branches, rocks, or burying them if I don't have to get bend over backwards by the crazies.

Since mid summer it's been HERE in CA, where my family has lived and hunted for the 120 years.

Here rimfires are GONE... no substitutes. No one I know has EVER seen a condor in this part of the State.

Fight while you can. Don't think it's not coming to YOUR neighborhood just because you don't have condors. It's junk science and it's coming to your backyard. (I have three degrees in ecology so don't anyone give me a lecture on how toxic lead is, name a substance and I'll write a more convincing study than they used to write this law on how toxic it is). Pick a species and that's what they'll use to make the law fly in your state. If you can't figure out which species they'll use in your area, email me and I'll bet I can guess. Remember it doesn't have to be an almost extinct bird. Mammals with big brown eyes make for good studies. And a few botanists could put together studies on how toxic lead is to their endangered plants.

Fight while you can. Even if you're one of the few hunters who feel eating lead fragments is killing you... we should have a choice to at least TARGET shoot with lead bullets.

The way our law got written it's illegal to POSSESS lead ammo in a hunting area (hunting area is not clearly defined... ranch, rural shooting range, BLM, National Forest, etc.?). Technically we can't even TARGET shoot on the ranches or open public land anymore with rimfires or ANY other lead bullets. This law made a criminal out of every landowner with a range on their back forty. So now all our rimfires stay at home, a lot of older guns and unusual calibers stay at home. Fewer hunter hit the field. Less ammo gets sold (loss of Pittman/Robertson funds). Less money gets spent on conservation. And guess what, still no condors here!

Fight while you can, this snuck through WAY too easily here after we were told it wouldn't go through and that they definitely wouldn't include rimfires since there is no compliant ammo available (or plans to produce any - other than the one CCI 22 Mag. load which covers what 5% of the rimfire ammo demand?).

Fight while you can.

Raptors very rarely get on a gut pile here in the Southeast, and even if they did, prove to me they died of lead poisoning. More lies. Just like the duck lies of the 1980s. The Fed's showed us groups of waterfowl dying from "lead poisoning". I call Ducks/Geese do NOT gather when suffering from lead poisoning. It is a slow death and they seek dense cover to hide in from predators. Avian Cholera; yes. They eat each others feces WHEN THEY ARE SHORT STOPPED and fed long after freeze up. One gets it, thousands die from it.
Most bullets will pass through game; be dropped out of the vitals or found by the hunter. Eagles, Hawk's, Owls??? Are you kidding me? Crows...yes. Buzzard's...sometimes. Coyotes at night...hell yes. Opossum, Raccoon, Fox to a lesser degree but this is more BS. And to think, our tax dollars are paying some clowns to decide all of this. The password is MO-RON.
LDK

One more time. It's not about the lead. It's about destroying hunting and your "Need" to own a firearm.

Alan

More complete BS from the left.

It's just one more way "they" want to control you. Backdoor gun control......

Where I hunt in Wyoming I can sit and watch the gut piles that I leave and one time I saw a bald eagle pick up the liver from one. If I shot a deer in the first couple days by the time I left it was just magpies is all that feed on it. I am usually there for about 2 weeks and they finish a pile in that time.

Rad

US FWS has banned lead shot from all hunting (not just waterfowl or migatory birds) for many of the Refuges in Alaska. Endangered eiders are supposedly susceptible to lead. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to see lead projectiles banned on all Federal lands in the next year or two.

they are out get us any way they can.

I have made lead bullets, has anyone ever tried to make copper ones????

I'd like to see a little background on the folks who brought these birds in. It would not surprise me that some PETA-types actually poisoned the birds to further their agenda.

That type of thing has been brought to light before.

Also, lead poisoning is something that is cumulative. Doesn't anyone else think it's strange that the suffering animals were all brought in right after the opening of deer season???

This is ALL a crock of BS and wreaks of PETA's underhanded ways.

A friend of mine said that when he talked to a game warden that Arizona is considering a total lead bullet ban. I sure as hell hope not.
Paul B.

Missouri is doing it's own lead study as of now. They are useing the excuse of the donated meat fund called share the harvest.

The case for lead poisoning being caused by expended shot or from shot in carcasses is almost as poor science as is global warming.