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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

I simply believe that Texas gives Non-Residents a better deal. It is quite possible in relation to size, Ohio may have a larger percentage of Public Land than Texas.

Here is a refrence for you: Public Land by State
Ohio has less public land than Texas, but it is a larger percentage than Texas.

What's the average price for a deer lease in your area of Texas?

Missouri

No points

No draw

Cheap

Many counties offer unlimited archery doe and two bucks

Many counties offer 2 rifle doe and 1 buck

Special hunts are available for draw but are considered bonus hunts and do not count against your regular season quota

A lucky hunter can legaly kill 4 bucks in Missouri and unlimited doe

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What's the average price for a deer lease in your area of Texas?

It is hard to come up with an "Average", it depends on the county, whether or not the property has been under a management program, whaqt the individual hunter is looking for.

It was not my intention to offend anyone, because during a certain period of time, it was cheaper for me to hunt deer in Nebraska or Colorado than Texas, simply due to the increase in lease fees.

Point is, license cost wise, a Texas Non-resident Licenses at $315.00 a;llows a Non-Resident to kill more game per cost than most/many or any other state.

Your looking at 4 to 5 deer, 2 t0 3 of them being bucks, up to 4 turkeys, 2 javelina a Pronghorn if you can find a place to hunt, and the license is good for a year!

Having hunted Colorado/Arizona/Nebraska/Idaho/Wyoming and New Mexico, licenses in those places are for specific seasons in specific units.

I enjoy hunting out of state and will do so any chance I get, but, Texas does not limit the number of licenses Non-Residents can obtain like some of the states I listed, and others do.

I am not making this a personal attack on any state, just expressing an opinion. Are any of you from states that have species such as Elk or Bighorn Sheep, that ONLY RESIDENTS, can participate in the drawing for tags?

What is so wrong with a citizen of a state wanting to limit hunting opportunities to other citizens of that state?

Colorado, Wyoming, Montana and other Rocky Mountain states do not seem overly concerned about limiting Non-Residents ability to hunt in those states.

I really don't care if you limit the Big Time hunt to TX residents. I have no feelings one way or the other on that subject.

While TX may have a cheap non-resident hunting license, what would be the true cost to a non-resident to max out those game animals you mentioned? That's why I keep asking what a lease cost on average. If a lease cost $1500 a year your looking at roughly $300 a deer if you take 5 deer a year as a resident. I'm sure each deer would be substantially more for non-residents to take 5 deer.

The thing about Colorado's non-resident hunting license cost is that you probably have more opportunities to hunt, than if we lowered the price back down to $75. At $75 how many more non-residents would apply? I'm betting the 0-1 preference point elk hunts would disappear.

I think the real problem non-residents have with the price of our tags, is that it only buys them a chance at an animal. I'd venture to say a lot of non-resident hunters that come to Colorado come from places with prolific white tail populations, where they are pretty much guaranteed a deer just for showing up at the blind. The they come to CO and they have to work for a deer or elk, and I mean really work hard to get on game. Then after they put in all that work and they go home empty handed that's when the complaining starts.

Why doesn't everyone get their p[anties wadded up???????

Jesus Christ folks, each state has its pluses and minuses as far as its laws pertaining to Non-Resident hunters are concerned.

I happen to think as far as licenses are concerned, Texas has a good deal, if you do not think so, that is you prerogative.

TP&WD opens our Draw Hunts up to EVERYONE, Resident or Non-Resident, I am just one individual expressing my PERSONAL OPINION on the subject.

Other states limit participation to RESIDENTS ONLY on certain species, Elk, Bighorn Sheep et al.

It is not that big a deal actually. The system we have in Texas works, that is all that matters.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Why doesn't everyone get their p[anties wadded up???????

Jesus Christ folks, each state has its pluses and minuses as far as its laws pertaining to Non-Resident hunters are concerned.

I happen to think as far as licenses are concerned, Texas has a good deal, if you do not think so, that is you prerogative.

TP&WD opens our Draw Hunts up to EVERYONE, Resident or Non-Resident, I am just one individual expressing my PERSONAL OPINION on the subject.

Other states limit participation to RESIDENTS ONLY on certain species, Elk, Bighorn Sheep et al.

It is not that big a deal actually. The system we have in Texas works, that is all that matters.

I don't think anyone has their panties wadded. I also don't think anyone who isn't a Texan cares if non-residents are in the Big Time draw or not. Colorado allows non-residents to hunt every big game species offered, the do however limit RFW and some GMU to residents only.

I want to know a ballpark of what it would cost to shoot every animal offered by purchasing a TX non-resident hunting license? It has been pointed out there isn't much free land to hunt, and I'm guessing the majority of it isn't in one part of the state? As we all know the license is usually one of the cheapest things you'll pay for on many hunts. So while TX my have a cheap license, is it an affordable deal to hunt everything offered?

You're the one who brought up and complained about the price of non-resident tags. I'd be willing to venture a guess, it's usually cheaper for a Texan to hunt a bull elk in CO on public land than it is for a Coloradan to shoot one 130+" white tail buck in TX. However the hunt in CO isn't as much of a sure thing as deer hunt in TX.

Why are you still complaining if you aren't a tad miffed about my comments.

This all started simply over my stating a personal opinion about the way the drawing is run, NO ATTENTION PAID that I also said I like the program and understand why it is ran the way it is.

As far as your question goes, it would be really expensive for even Texas Residents to do the Grand Slam part of the hunt, considering everything that is included in it.

I have hunted Colorado 124 times during the past 24 years, and was merely pointing out that Colorado and OTHER states Do Put Limits on Non-Residents and Texas DOES NOT!!!

You have totally missed my whole point, I merely stated that I would like to see the Big Time Draw Hunt program, more especially the Grand Slam Hunt, Whitetail/Muley/Pronghorn/Bighorn limited to Texas Residents Only.

That is simply one persons opinion, nothing more, and it is NOT enough of an issue to stop me from participating in the draw.

Every hunter I have ever talked, can/does/will find something wrong with EVERY states Game Laws, that is simply life.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Why are you still complaining if you aren't a tad miffed about my comments.

This all started simply over my stating a personal opinion about the way the drawing is run, NO ATTENTION PAID that I also said I like the program and understand why it is ran the way it is.

As far as your question goes, it would be really expensive for even Texas Residents to do the Grand Slam part of the hunt, considering everything that is included in it.

I have hunted Colorado 124 times during the past 24 years, and was merely pointing out that Colorado and OTHER states Do Put Limits on Non-Residents and Texas DOES NOT!!!

You have totally missed my whole point, I merely stated that I would like to see the Big Time Draw Hunt program, more especially the Grand Slam Hunt, Whitetail/Muley/Pronghorn/Bighorn limited to Texas Residents Only.

That is simply one persons opinion, nothing more, and it is NOT enough of an issue to stop me from participating in the draw.

Every hunter I have ever talked, can/does/will find something wrong with EVERY states Game Laws, that is simply life.

While TPW doesn't limit non-residents to a smaller pool they also don't have draw and point system like CO. However, TX does limit non-resident hunters they just do it simply by the costs of the hunt. That was my point by my continued asking of what the costs to hunt deer on average in your state.

I've understood that you feel cheated because you only get a certain percentage of the overall tags in CO. However, have you actually looked at the statistics for big hunting? There isn't a large gap on success in 1st choice draw resident vs. non-resident in elk this year, 44% chance of 1st choice draw for residents and 30% for non-residents. In some particular management units non-residents have a better chance of drawing than residents. I'm not a number cruncher in any sense, but I'm not sure letting non-residents in the same pool as residents will increase your chances of drawing your 1st choice.

In some instances your chances of drawing will go up in some units, but others it would go down. That's why I mentioned OTC and leftover tags that are available first come first served. Like you said no system is perfect or fair for everyone.

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hile TPW doesn't limit non-residents to a smaller pool they also don't have draw and point system like CO. However, TX does limit non-resident hunters they just do it simply by the costs of the hunt. That was my point by my continued asking of what the costs to hunt deer on average in your state.

TP&WD has absolutely NOTHING do do wiyth the prices landowners charge for access to their property. Hell, it limits Texas Residents to find places to hunt.

What you are misunderstanding, is that I DO NOT FEEL CHEATED when looking at hunting Colorado. I have a choice, I can put in for a Late Season Cow Tag, send in my money, get a tag, go to Collbran, pay the outfitter I have been hunting with since 1992, Lora and I go up, spend 2 or 3 days with him and his family, have a great time visiting with them, shoot me a cow elk and head home. I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, what your problem is, is that you can not understand anything about someone just stating an opinion about something, even when they make it clear that it is not all that biog a problem.

Do I LIKE that cow elk tags have went from $75.00 to almost $500.00? No! Will it stop me from putting in for a tag and going after one NO!!!!!!!

I am pretty sure that I am not the only Non-Resident that is not all that happy with the increases in Elk tags, Bull/Cow, and I bet I am not the only Non-Resident that still forks over the $$$$ if they want to hunt elk.

Why don't you learn to quit reading stuff INTO a persons post/comment/response and just realize they are merely stating their own PERSONAL OPINION on the issue, and last time I looked, you, me, all of us have the right to our opinion on any subject, and all of us have the Right to disagree with another persons opinion.

For you to claim that I feel cheated about the price of Elk Tags in Colorado, merely shows that you are assuming something you have no actual knowledge of. Further, were it not that the guy I work for allows me and my wife to hunt on his properties I would not be hunting deer i9n Texas.

I have no problem going to other states, it is the price of doing business, even for Texans.

Now with all this BS out of the way, please tell everyone how much Colorado Resident Deer/Elk tags have gone up in price since 1q992 in comparison to Non_Resident tags for those same species????????