Reloader:
#1) - Yeah, your post was NOT successful "at trying to put down any bullet" because even YOUR OWN POST shown the light of poor shot placement, poor decision making and added a touch of poor Hunter ethics into the midst!
Yes, YOU failed at your feeble and specious (without basis or merit) attempt to "put down" ANY bullet!
Why, because of your shortcomings and not the tried and true track record of the FINE Nosler Partition line!
Now, it appears that you are trying to change your tune and declare you really aren't putting down any bullets - well that flim flam just ain't flying EITHER!
NOTHING you have burped up in your original post or since has shown negative evidence or influence about anything - EXCEPT yourself!
#2) You make it sound like you KNEW your first shot had no chance of being a killing shot in itself! I mean if you are gonna shoot a quartering towards you Deer, "behind the shoulder" and the natural path of the bullet was to be away from the Deers vitals (into the guts!) and then your bullet does just that - what in the name of GAWD man are you complaining about???
Please explain that!
#3) I think there was a bird that flew up all right, and it flew up and hit you in your punkin noggin!
Doing some internal damage!
My drinking or not drinking ANYTHING has nothing what so ever to do with your poor decision making and poor shot placement!
Those are your problems - not mine, nor Noslers nor anyone elses!
They are YOURS!
You finally said something "intelligent" (I was beginning to worry) there, Reloader!
"You are not going to quit using the fine Nosler Partition bullets"!
Amen to that, now if you can just choose better shots at game and have realistic expectations for bullets, you will be on the path to recovery.
I will refer you AGAIN, Reloader, to my blanket statement regarding Nosler Partitions of all sizes being properly placed on Big and Medium sized Game! You hit them in the heart/lung areas and that animal is in the bag!
No, glancing off of shoulders and poorly chosen aiming points will not always bring to bag Game while using ANY bullet!
Shot placement and poor choices were the clear problems here Reloader, NOT Nosler Partitions!
And not the coffee drinking habits of anyone!
If you care to try changing yours or mines habits I certainly hope you chose to at least try to make better shot placement in the future.
Long live the wonderful Nosler Partitions.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

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Why don't you just view the facts and DEAL WITH IT.

You presented NO FACTS...

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The Bullet BLEW-UP the deers shoulder and DID NOT PENETRATE.

You have no way of knowing that...

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This is an informative post not a post for you to defend you favorite bullet.

My favorite bullet is the TSX.

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This one Failed plain and simple.

You have no way of knowing that.

Enjoy your delusions...

VG, You post some of the most ridiculous post I've ever read on these forums. Your ridiculous load of bull in your last post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I have never in any post on this thread claimed that any bullet was bad. I SAID THAT ALL BULLETS CAN AND WILL FAIL IF YOU SHOOT ENOUGH OF THEM. Please put on your thinking cap and let that soak in.

If you call a slight quarter to lung shot unethical you're an idiot, when the lungs are mush, the liver and diaphram destroyed, that's pretty dang lethal in my book. You clearly no nothing of hunting in thick brush, when you get a shot at vitals you take it. This is the real world, there's none of the BS let them get in the broad open like on the Outdoor channel. If you call a close range shoulder shot unethical, you're an idiot as well. Once again another one of your ridiculous post that makes absolutely no sense.

There's too much negativity on these forums now-days. You simply state factual events and some idiot is going to hi-jack the post and turn it into a ridiculous pissing match.

Someone needs to post the picture of the special olpymics where it talks about arguing on the net...

Good Lord, some people just never learn.

Reloader

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quote: Posted by Brad:

Why don't you just view the facts and DEAL WITH IT.


You presented NO FACTS...


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The Bullet BLEW-UP the deers shoulder and DID NOT PENETRATE.


You have no way of knowing that...


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This is an informative post not a post for you to defend you favorite bullet.


My favorite bullet is the TSX.


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This one Failed plain and simple.


You have no way of knowing that.

Once again, your post has absolutely no point.

You remind me of most of the Liberal folks I know....


Reloader

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I'm trying to get an idea about the two entrance/exit wounds of the shots - does this look close? (1in and 1out is the first shot, 2in-2out the second).

Erict,

I believe they were more like this:



The Green being entrance and Blue being the exits. The green and blue to the left were the killing shot of course the far left blue being the exit on the opposite side of the killing shot. The two to the right are the blown shoulder and both the green and blue are on the same side.

Reloader

Hey reloader,you're not the same dipshit that calls himself sharpman over on the nosler forum are you. Sharpman is over their from North La. crying like a bitch because the .338 200 gr.accubond did too much damage to his deer.

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Hey reloader,you're not the same dipshit that calls himself sharpman over on the nosler forum are you. Sharpman is over their from North La. crying like a bitch because the .338 200 gr.accubond did too much damage to his deer.

If you've ever seen me post it was under Reloader or Reloader7RM. My name is Ronny Savage from Minden, Louisiana which is just to the east of Shreveport, La in the North West Corner of the state. Don't appreciate being refered to as a dipshit if that's what you're inferring.

Have a Good One

Reloader

Reloader, thanks for posting the information with the photos, I can't say for sure what the bullet did, however it is unusual to have a wound like this. Thanks again for sharing, bill439

C'mon guys lighten up. It is impossible to have zero failures with a mass produced product. I love Partitions! That said I took a 300 H&H to Africa for plains game and to shoot a leopard. I used 180 Partitions and they were blowing craters on the surface of the bait impala I was shooting. My PH Gomez Adams made me retire the 300 and go to my 375. When I returned home, I sent the remaining loads to Federal. My shells were not returned but were replaced with ammo from a different lot. Give Reloader the benefit of the doubt. I am because it happened to me. I saw a similar thing with Remington Core-Lok bullets used by a friend in an 06. He shot a Mule deer and a Whitetail and both had craters with little penetration. Remington sent him a letter of apology and 3 boxes of shells saying there was a problem with that lot of ammo. It amazes me how pissy people get on AR when a "sacred cow" is criticized.

RELOADER
i understand what you are saying, i took a friend out after deer this year, we stalked up to this stag and from 25 m he gave him one behind the shoulder ...the animal was infront of us and only about 5 meteres to our right so it was a bit of an acute angle he was shooting at so i expected the bullet to come out in the brisket or on the point of the opposing shoulder, the animal dropped on the spot , when we turned him over the bullet had exited on the opposing side about six inches behind where the bullet had entered on the opposing side, the exit hole looked longitudinal , as if the projectile had come out sideways...im still baffled

just last mounth i shot a Russian Bear, from about 100m ,he was facing away from me, and i slipped the 200 gn partition from the 06 behind the right shoulder ...it was an pretty actue angle.....once we skinned him etc etc we did a bit of internal bullet tracking.....under the skin there was a hole the size of ones fist about 4 inches where the bullet had sliced 2 ribs, it contined where it took out the left lobe of the liver , i could fit my fist in the hole, kept on going and took out one of the lobes in the left lung leaving a hole of about 1.5 inches , kept on going hitting the very edge of the left shoulder blade and exiting....
from initial examination it would have appeared the 200 gn nosler exploded, which it did , but thats what they are suppose/designed to do, but upon furher examinaton it penetrated a fair distance and took out a few major organs , with good wound channels
from time to time no matter what bullet you use it will do something odd , i still feel the nosler partition is the closest thing to the best all round projectile ....at close range it holds together well to give good penetration , and at longer ranges it still expands well to create significant wound channels
regards daniel

Reloader that really is a bad photo. But I see what look like 4 wound's. On the big meat tear on the shoulder it appears there's a hole in the meat toward the back then a short way to what might be an exit wound. Perhap's the bullet came a enough angle to bounce off the bone but the front part expended all it's energy there blowing out that huge hole that the base going thru the dark what appears to be a hole in back and exiting the next wound back.

Really would be nice to see a better photo. But I don't think the bullet failed, look's to me like it bounced off the shoulder bone. By they way, I've never shot anything with any premium bullet. Hornady cup and core bullet's of the proper cal and weight for the intended game.

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Originally posted by Don Fischer:
Reloader that really is a bad photo. But I see what look like 4 wound's. On the big meat tear on the shoulder it appears there's a hole in the meat toward the back then a short way to what might be an exit wound. Perhap's the bullet came a enough angle to bounce off the bone but the front part expended all it's energy there blowing out that huge hole that the base going thru the dark what appears to be a hole in back and exiting the next wound back.

Really would be nice to see a better photo. But I don't think the bullet failed, look's to me like it bounced off the shoulder bone. By they way, I've never shot anything with any premium bullet. Hornady cup and core bullet's of the proper cal and weight for the intended game.

Don, that's exactly what I've said and tried to say... the man just doesn't "get" that he can't draw the conclusion's he has based on the evidence he's got to work with and presented here.

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Originally posted by Reloader:
Well I had my first Bullet "blow-up" ever yesterday evening on a 7pt.

When you hear Blow up you probably think he was using varmint bullets or a real soft bullet like an sst... Not the case. This Blow-up occurred w/ a 150 grain .308 partition gold fired from a 06 at 2990 fps MV @ 12'.

The buck came in behind me chasing does and I didn't know what size he was but I knew he was probably going to bust me because he was directly down wind so as soon as I got a hole in the brush to the vitals I took the first shot. He was quatering towards me and that bullet entered behind the shoulder and exited in front of the ham(Yep, got the guts ). Well upon firing the first shot he ran like I didn't touch him so I chambered another round and fired a second shot as he entered a lane about 80 yards from me.

The second round hit him sqaure in the shoulder, exploded the top of the shoulder on entry, and exited right out the top of the shouler in the same area on the same side. Never made it into his cavity. There wasn't even any blood in the wound, just hair and bone. I don't believe it would have killed him but, he'd probably have died from infection.

The funny thing about it is that I've been using NBTs for years and you would know when I decide to give partions another run this sort of thing happens . Never had a blow-up like this w/ any bullet even after killing piles of them w/ NBTs.

Here's a pic of the entrance wound:



I'm just glad I got into him on the first round.

The rut is just now starting here, the next few weeks should be interesting.

Good Luck

Reloader

For clarification you were using Winchester Partition Gold Ammunition with a bullet based on the nosler style partition so if you're blaming nosler it would appear you're a bit off base as it's a Winchester Bullet or one made to their specifications.

I have a different take on this:

Nosler makes (7) seven different 30cal Partitions. The 150gr Partition Spitzer is the lightest they make and is designed to reliably open when impact velocities drop as low as 1800fps. It works pretty well w/in its limits out of a 308Win, but 2990fps out the muzzle is hot even for a 30-06. You are pushing the envelope on this bullet if hitting bone at such close range. Much over 3000fps this bullet may come apart just hitting flesh.

You probably would see better results using the 170gr Partition RN loaded to a normal velocity if taking raking shots inside 100yds. The 165gr Partition Spitzer would probably be a better choice if you needed more range. I for one like the 180gr Partition Spitzer as a good all-around bullet at '06 velocities.

GVA

brad and varmitguy, stop ALLREADY!!!!!!! who made you guys king of the dung pile? reloaders pictures are fine and better than none! the bullet in question is a 150 nosler partition GOLD..... it will retain 80% of its weight on average in media tests their normal partition retains 60% this will vary one way or the other depending on what the bullet strikes,to me it looks like the bullet expanded and left the body of said deer,i don''t think it failed at all.... reloader has a honest record as a forum member here .....respect the man as you would want too be respected!!!!!!!!!!! 4 the record i shoot all brands and make of bullets, some i just can''t aford but thats another matter , keep the PEACE..men, its a great forum lets keep it that way shall we???..... regards 2 all....jjmp

Dude, who made internet nanny? Go take a friggin leap. You have no idea about Reloader.. this is the same guy that disses the 308 because he couldn't kill a rabbit with it.

Reloader: You poor pathetic excuse of a Hunter!
Now you are "changing" facts to try to repair the damage you have done to yourself!
LOL!
Go for it man!
Twist things any which way you want but I again confront you with your own posted shortcomings!
You took an iffy (I consider it unethical!) shot at a Deer and eventually ended up killing it!
Then you try to blame the Nosler TYPE bullet for your poor decision and poorer shot placement!
Crikey man - you are loosing it!
I was Hunting Blacktail Deer in thick brush with Nosler Partitions at age 12!
I am now VERY close to 60!
I know better than to take the shot you described in your original post.
I KNOW what Nosler Partitions are capable of and I will repeat this AGAIN for your benefit!
UNEQUIVOCALLY - if you were to make better decisions and shoot your game animals in the heart/lungs area, FIRST SHOT, with a Nosler Partition you won't need to shoot anymore!
Your, lack of intelligence and common sense simply causes me to laugh out loud when you try to berate me!
Like I would give any creedence to ANYTHING you say after reading your initial and follow-up posts!
You want to make bad decisions and take iffy shots, thats your problem but I won't let you get away with trying to berate a bullet and brand that are well known to be depenedable, lethal and accurate!
You simply have tried to bite off more than you are capable of chewing!
Again another proven (self evident) shortcoming of yourself!
Ronnie, by posting such unsubstantiated blather and by trying to berate such a fine and proven product as Nosler's line of Partition bullets you IN FACT are well on your way to earning status as a "dipshit"!
You may not appreciate that but when the facts bear out your status don't then be surprised when folks start calling you that.
The point of my posts is not to call you names or berate you (you have done enough harm to yourself already). I don't need to chime in anymore in that regard! It is to try and talk some since into YOU - IF possible!
You made a bad decision and took a bad shot! Then the shot mortified the game animal enough that you then were able to kill it with subsequent shot(s?).
So again point out EXACTLY how Nosler was part of your POOR shot placement and your POOR decision making!
Enough people with enough actual field experience with the Nosler Partitions have pointed out your shortcomings concerning them so that part of the equation is settled (as it should be!).
Now lets deal with you having the unmitigated GALL to try and sluff off blame from yourself onto Nosler!
As far as I am concerned THAT is NOT settled.
I simply don't follow that line of spin you are attempting!
And, I for one, WILL NOT let you even try to get away with besmirchment of the Nosler Partition based on ONE ludicrous example like you have burped up here!
Let me blow out of the water another of your "specious" (without merit!) Louisianna facts! You state Nosler Partitions do fail from time to time - right!
Then provide a specific example!
Proof!
I have never seen one fail!
And I dare say I have much more and much more varied experiences afield than you have!
I have seen Nosler Partitions kill all manner of Big Game first hand man! From Moose to Elk to Bear to Mt. Goats to big Mule Deer to small Antelope to Blacktail Deer and a myriad of Whitetailed Deer of all sizes and other game to numerous to mention!
I simply have never seen one fail!
Let me make this simpler for you to understand down there in Cajun land Reloader - a Nosler Partition goes into a game animals heart/lung area - that animal goes home with the Hunter!
PERIOD!
No exceptions so far there Reloader and I dare you to find a witnessed and provable example to the contrary!
I do indeed call a shot at a Deer quartering towards you that is intentionally placed "behind the shoulder" an unethical shot!
That shot is going into the guts for a slow and lingering kill!
You said it, you did it, you suffered the consequences - you sir are the proven "IDIOT"!
Trying to sluff off blame somewhere else simply makes the situation worse and shows you up for the small man you are!

LJS: You sir are contending somehow, along the same ambiguous and specious (with out merit!) lines of Reloader, that the fine Nosler 30 caliber 180 gr. Partition bullets were doing "to much damage" to the game you were shooting for bait?
I must ask, did the animals you shot for bait fall dead after being struck with the Nosler 180 gr. Partitions?
If not and they hobbled away was your mentor there in Africa able to spot these "blow-up" type wounds as the bait animals made good their escapes?
Or, as I suspect, were the bait animals brought to bag quickly?
You see I am VERY familiar with these bullets and the somewhat ambiguous charges you make of them are simply NOT what I have observed for more than 40 years of usage now!
Standing up for Reloaders poor choices (shot placement and decision to shoot) is one thing - do so at your own risks, but don't fall into his self set trap and try to decry a bullet that has a decades long and well earned great reputation by citing an example wherein the game was killt and brought to bag and then somehow the bullet did not kill with the proper amount of ettiquette or blood loss etc!
Jesus man!
It ain't flying and I will tell you right off hand that the Nosler 30 caliber 180 gr. Partition is one of the MOST used and MOST proven and effective Big Game bullets ON EARTH!
They do not - I am sure - turn from a reliable, accurate and lethal bullet here (all over North America) to a suddenly paint ball like splatter bullet out in Africa!
I have used Nosler Partions from Alaska to Utah and from Washington to Wyoming and from Alberta to Oregon and from Idaho to Montana and most all places in between and I have NEVER seen the results you describe!
Maybe they do change once they hit Africa's shores - I can't say from first hand - but from what I have read of folks who have used that very bullet in Africa and in Russia and in Mongolia and in New Zealand and other places to numerous to mention, your obsevration is far from the norm!
Its as simple as that.

Long live the wonderful, accurate, lethal and reliable Nosler Partition!

Reloader as a bit of advice I really want you to accept - I hope you will, like you posted, keep using the Nosler Partition bullets!
Its the one bright area of the dark cloud that encompass's you and your thought processes!

Long live the Nosler Bullet Company!
Three cheers for them and their quality products!
Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!

Thank you John Nosler and may you live in peace far away from the intended slings and arrows of unworthy types - types that will say anything and blame anything and anyone to sluff responsibility from where it truly belongs! At 92 years of age I salute you and all you have done to make Sport Hunting as "humane" an endeavour as it possibly can be!
I consider myself and ethical Hunter and I strive to make my Hunting munitions as close to perfection as possible!
Based on 48 years of Big Game Hunting (so far!) and of observing countless hundreds of shots at Game afield - I choose your bullets for my needs.
I have never been let down!
May I take this opportunity to thank you personally - thank you John Nosler for your efforts and your products!
I am still thrilled to see that you come by your beautiful manufacturing plant there in Bend, Oregon fairly often!

As if your fine bullets, that have been in use successfully on all manner of Big and Dangerous Game for 60+ years now needs defending by the likes of me!

Small men really hate it when they are corrected and shown the errors of their ways!
Reloader and LJS you are both small men and easy to ignore! Its only to prevent any undue influence either of you may have on Hunters "new to the sport" that I take the time to correct you.
You have been corrected.

Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

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Originally posted by Reloader:

This post is merely a weird occurrence that I thought I'd share w/ you fellas and should be used as a good reminder that no bullets are 100% every time. This could have happened w/ any bullet. Strange things do happen every now and then.

It simply looks like a classic high angle 'glancing' hit to me. Like you said, running deer and all, I bet you just clipped it and the bullet (due to the angle of impact) never had a chance to penetrate. This is not a bullet failure, but a bad hit. Again, like you said, good thing the first one had done it's job.

Reloader

Can you describe the skin over the entrance/exit wound. ie, was it torn open or did it have small wounds indicating fragmentation of the bullet into small pieces or a few large pieces.

Also is it possible that the deer turned before the bullet hit him causing a raking wound across the sboulder?

I ask the last question because on 2 of the animals I have shot, both zebra by the way, the animal moves just before the bullet struck him. I only know this because the hunt was videoed. I saw no movement when I shot at the animals, but the video does not lie.

VarmintGuy:

In fact 3 of the Impala required a long follow up to locate and in one instance a second animal standing nearly perpendicular was struck with a fragment. It took 3 hours to locate that animal. You sir are living proof to the old adage "there are more horses asses than horses"!

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Originally posted by Reloader:


The Bullet BLEW-UP the deers shoulder and DID NOT PENETRATE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND! It's not rocket science.

Reloader

Did the bullet not penetrate or did it exit?

Last season my son shot a mature whitetail doe at 50 yards with a 100 gr 243 NPT @ 2750 fps. The bullet struck the knob of the near shoulder which shattered and exploded outwards causing a fist-sized entry wound. We found the bullet under the ribs on the far side. It had punched ribs coming and going, pulped both lungs, and shredded the arteries at the top of the heart. The bullet was bent in half into a "C" and had scarcely expanded at all. Blow-up? No. Bullet failure? No way. Perhaps the OP hit the shoulder bone at an oblique angle, the knob did the grenade thing, and the bullet disappeared into the woods...