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Just wondering out loud, why do we choose the chamberings we do in those "5 rifle battery" threads? Seems to me we perhaps should choose our poison for a specific purpose. What would be your prefered rig for these particular animals? Feel free to elaborate on the situation or loads. Name as many or as few guns as you like. A- Coyotes B- Speedgoat C- Black Bear d- Western states Mule Deer E- eastern woods whitetail F- Elk G- Moose H- Bison For me it would go something like; A- 223 B- 257 AI C- 300 savage, (using dogs, open sights, 180 gn Hornadys). D- 257 AI, 260 Rem or 280 Rem. Doesnt matter. E- Same as c without the dogs. F- 35 Whelen, 225 gn BT or 30-06 180 gn Accubond. G- 35 Whelen, 225 gn BT H- 35 Whelen, 250 gn Hornady | ||
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IMO the ideal for them is as folows Coyotes............25-06 speedgoat..........25-06 black bear.........270 Win mule deer..........270 Win whitetail..........6.5 X 55 elk................30-06 moose..............30-06 bison..............338-06 Sadly the .30-06 will do it all and it's a darn poor choice for that reason.....it makes it difficult to justify other guns when you own one. This is also true of the .280 Rem....bad choice for a first gun. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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A- Coyotes-22-250 B- Speedgoat-270 win C- Black Bear-338-06 d- Western states Mule Deer-270 win E- eastern woods whitetail-270 win F- Elk-338-06 G- Moose-338-06 H- Bison-338-06 for a real hunt 270 win for the pasture/canned/meat shoot | |||
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A-Coyotes 220 Swift B-Antelope 25-06 C-Blackbear 25-06 D-Mulie 25-06 E-Whitetail 25-06 F-Elk 338 Win Mag for lower 48's, 375H&H for AK beacause of heavy brush and brown bears. G-Moose (AK, Yukon)375 H&H because of brown bear H-Bison 375 H&H | |||
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A. Bobcat/Foxes- 17 Remington B. Coyotes- 22-250 C. Black Bear- 338 RUM D. Western States Mule Deer- 270 AI E. Eastern Wood Whitetail- 270 AI F. Elk- 338 RUM G. Moose- 338 RUM H- Bison- 338 RUM The lil 17 Rem is in a CZ527 Varmint shooting 25g berger HP's for hide damage control. The 22-250 is a Rem 700 VS shooting 50g Speer MHP's The 270AI is in a Pre 64 Winny shooting 140g TSX's Still playin with the 338 RUM, it is a Rem 700 XCR with a Knoxx's compstock on it. Bullet will either be the 225 accubond, 225 TSX, 250 TSX, or the 250 Sierra SBT. Which ever shoots better when load development is done. | |||
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A, B, & E: 243 Winchester A-H: 30'06 F-H: 375 H&H | |||
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My personal choice of rifles are: Coyote- 22-250 or 6MM Remington Antelope, Black Bear, Whitetail Deer- 270 Winchester Elk, Moose, Bison- 300 Weatherby Magnum African Lion, Buffalo, Elephant, Alaskan Brown Bear-375 H&H Magnum Great Topic! | |||
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coyotes-.220 Swift speedgoat-.257 Weatherby black bear-.338-06 mulies-.257 Weatherby whitetail-7x57 elk-.338-06 moose-.375 H&H bison-.375 H&H I guess I could just use my .338-06 for whitetail, and get rid of a bunch of rifles. That'll never happen. Or I could use my .220 for speedgoats(no legal), the 7x57 for mulies, whitetail and elk, and the .375 for the rest. Or... A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
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A- Coyotes .22-250 B- Speedgoat .264 Win Mag C- Black Bear 7mm Rem Mag d- Western Mule Deer .264 win mag E- eastern woods whitetail .30-06 F- Elk 7 STW G- Moose 300 WSM H- Bison .45-70 for nostalgia I could do them all with my TG&Y Rem 700 .30-06. | |||
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A- Coyotes .243 Win. B- Speedgoat I'll be using a .300HH this year but I would love to have a tricked out .270 Win...lower recoil for the longer shots? C- Black Bear .300HH d- Western states Mule Deer .300WM E- eastern woods whitetail .300HH F- Elk .300WM G- Moose .300HH with the Nosler 180gr bullet or .338WM H- Bison A nice double rifle in 500/416..maybe a Heym Sendero300>>>===TerryP | |||
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Rifle No 1. A 308 Win, 3.5x10, 23 " med heavy bbl, wt 10lbs to absorb recoil...168grn BTHP Rifle No 2. A 308 Win, 2.5x10, 22 " med lt bbl fluted, 22 inches...wt 6 2/3 lbs 165 grn prmium bullet Rifle No 3. 376 steyr 8.5 lbs loaded 2x7 scope 260 premium bullets A- Coyotes Rifle 1 B- Speedgoat Rifle 1 C- Black Bear Rifle 2 d- Western states Mule Deer Rifle 2 E- eastern woods whitetail Rifle 2 F- Elk Rifle 3 G- Moose Rifle 3 H- Bison Rifle 3 Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Good follow up to the 5 gun battery thread. prairie dogs-Cooper varmint weight 22-250 whistle pigs in the high country, coyotes-Kimber Montana .243 shooting 58 gr v-max's, fast deer, elk, sheep, 'yotes, more whistle pigs-Kimber Classic .300 WSM shooting 168 TSX's elk, griz, yet more ground hogs or anything else needing a stomping at longer ranges-custom Remmy .358 STA shooting 250-280 gr. Swift A-Frames or Northforks moose, brown bear, yes, it will take on ground hogs this summer, anything needing a real stomping at shorter ranges-Remmy custom shop .458 Win mag shooting 400 gr. Northforks. Crap, where do the Kimber Montana .338 Win mag and the Remmy AWR 7mm Rem mag, neither of which I have, yet, fit? Guess I'll have to invent something. | |||
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A-223 Remington B-257 Roberts C-Over bait or spring SE AK-257 Roberts. Spot and stalk 30-06 Spr. D-257 Roberts E-30-06 Spr. with 200gr NP, I would be fine with the Roberts here too. F-375 H&H G-375 H&H H-458 WM Kind of a short list of critters to squeeze the five guns in, but the above uses the five I listed in the thread mentioned, I could do them all with the "06" though.....I'd rather have 5 guns! -Ron | |||
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For me it would be: .270 .338WM Deer, caribou, moose, bears. | |||
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And bobcats, .17 Remington since I harvest for the pelts.
7mm Rem. Mag. with 160gr. Nosler Partitions
.375 H&H, 300 gr. Nosler Partition. | |||
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A- Coyotes B- Speedgoat C- Black Bear d- Western states Mule Deer E- eastern woods whitetail F- Elk G- Moose H- Bison I- Brown Bear A 223 wssm B 257 stw C 300 wsm D 257 STW E 257 STW F 300 WSM G 300 WSM H 300 WSM I 416 REM | |||
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338 win mag for all of them.I shot my first coyote two years ago with my 338 win mag.I have shot 84 deer whitetails with 84 shots with my 338 win mag and one black bear.I think Kodiaks is where I draw the 416 rem mam line.Buffalos can be very tough if they are truely wild.We had a buffalo hall of pictures there were lots shot with 375 H&H and 458 win mags that took alot more than one shot. | |||
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A. .17 Remington (Pelts) B. .270 win. 130 gr. conventional C. 9.3 X 57 Conventional s.p. bullet D. .270 win. 150 gr. conventional E. 9.3 X 57 Conventional s.p. bullet F. 9.3 X 62 Partition or bonded bullet G. 9.3 X 62 " " " H. 9.3 X 62 " " " "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Hamlet III/ii | |||
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A- Coyotes - 223 B- Speedgoat - 25\06 C- Black Bear - 300 Winchester d- Western states Mule Deer - 260 Remington E- eastern woods whitetail - 25/06 F- Elk - 30/378 Weatherby G- Moose - 30/378 Weatherby H- Bison - 30/378 Weatherby Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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A. Dependes on fur prices and area. When saving fur I've used the .223 mostly, and the .22-250 when hunting wide open places. B. .257 Roberts or .25-06 C. .30-30 or .308 carbine with hounds, spot and stalk- .257,.25-06, '06, 7mmRM doesn't matter, choose by mood. D. Depends on the area a little, .257 Roberts, .25-06, or 7mmRM E. .308 carbine in the thick, .257 or .25-06 F. .338 Win Mag G. 7mmRM or .338WM H. .338WM or use this as an excuse to buy one more! Nate | |||
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My personal pick, or what I have used is: A - Coyotes - .22-250, or whatever else I am carrying B - Speedgoats - .257 AI C - Black Bear - .44 Ruger Super Blackhawk D - Mule Deer - .257 AI E - Whitetail - .257 AI F - Elk - .30 Gibbs with 180 NP G - Moose - .30 Gibbs with 180 NP H - American Buffalo - .54 Hawken w/ 435 gr Maxi-hunter NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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A- Coyotes .300Win Mag B- Speedgoat .300Win Mag C- Black Bear .300Win Mag d- Western states Mule Deer .300Win Mag E- eastern woods whitetail .300Win Mag F- Elk .300Win Mag G- Moose .300Win Mag H- Bison .300Win Mag ___________________________________________________________________________________________ | |||
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A- Coyotes .243 WSSM B- Speedgoat .257 Wby C- Blackbear .270 WSM D- Mule Deer 7mm STW E- Whitetail Deer .300 Winny F- Elk .338 Lapua G- Moose .340 Wby H- Bison .358 STA phurley | |||
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A- Coyotes-222 B- Speedgoat-257 roberts C- Black Bear-338-06 d- Western states Mule Deer-7mm rem mag E- eastern woods whitetail-7x57 F- Elk-338-06 G- Moose-338-06 H- Bison-450 marlin | |||
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A - Coyotes - 223 B - speed goats - 25-06 C - Black Bear - 45-70 D - Mule Deer - 30-06 E - Whitetail - 7X57 F - elk - 30-06 G - Moose - 375 H&H H - Bison - 470 NE | |||
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WPN you beat me to it. I was going to put down 30-06 for all Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum | |||
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A- Coyotes- 223Rem, 6mmRem B- Speedgoat- 270Win C- Black Bear- 30-06 d- Western states Mule Deer- 300H&H E- eastern woods whitetail- 30-06 F- Elk- 300H&H G- Moose- 300H&H H- Bison- 375H&H NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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A-H with a .45-2.6-550 Works everytime. Brent When there is lead in the air, there is hope in my heart -- MWH ~1996 | |||
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A- Coyotes...a 22-250 B- Speedgoat...a 25-06 C- Black Bear...35 Whelen d- Western states Mule Deer...300 Win Mag E- eastern woods whitetail...35 Remington F- Elk...338 G- Moose...375 H&H (bears inhabit the same area) H- Bison...45-70 (tradition) Or a good old 30-06 for everything Perry | |||
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I like the cheap route....A through F...308Win...G and H.....hummm, no room left in the freezer after F. | |||
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Lots of interesting choices. Im glad that some of you felt free to toss in a couple more critters, I didnt mean to make it limiting, just threw a couple picks up to see where they'd land. Keep um coming gents! | |||
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In Reality : A-G 270 with either 140 gr. Hornady or 150gr Partitions, OR 35 Whelen with pistol bullets for A and 250gr Partitions for everything else OR 44mag with 240gr Hornadys for A,B,D,E or 250gr Partitions or LBT solids for C, F and G. H- Either the 35 Whelen with 250gr. Partitions or my new 9.3x62 with 286gr Partitions (Just because I haven't shot anything with it yet.) Playing "What if"_ A-223 B-25-06 C-44 Mag. D-270 E-30-30 F-338 Win. G-35 Whelen H-45/120 BP | |||
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A-H .375 H&H Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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Prairie Dogs/short range - 375 H&H/ 260gr Nosler BT Coyotes - 22-250/ 40gr Barnes Varminator or whatever I'm carrying at the time. Javelina - 22-250 rifle/ 53gr TSX or my T/C Encore pistol in 25.06/117gr Nosler BT Speedgoat - .270/ 140gr Nosler BT Black Bear - never hunted but 9.3x62/ 286gr TSX Western Coues deer - 300 Wby Mag/ 168gr TSX Western Mulie - 300 Wby Mag/ 168 TSX Eastern Whitetail - 300 Wby Mag/ 168 TSX Elk - 9.3x62/ 286 gr TSX or 375 H&H/ 270gr TSX Moose - (See Elk) Bison - 375 H&H/ 300gr TSX This is FUN!!! Lance Lance Larson Studio lancelarsonstudio.com | |||
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Coyotes............25-06 speedgoat..........25-06 black bear..........30-06 mule deer..........270 or 30-06 whitetail...........30-06 elk................338-06 moose..............338-06 bison..............338-06 | |||
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