That is a wonderful idea, I'll have to look into it more.

I think it grows kind of like wine? Big stalks that they put on a wire frame system.

I saw hop fields in Germany, but I can't remember a damn thing about them.

A few things to consider:

Parcel out your land. With mortgage rates as low as they are now you can finance your house and a few acres for the cheap, which you will not be able to do with acreage. The "conventional" mortgages go up to 5 acres. The rest of your land will be at a higher rate. I'm cutting my interest in half by doing so.

Second, insuring a country home can be difficult as you do not have a fire hydrant- most conventional insurance will not cover you. I can't even insure my house for half its worth.

Just an FYI and to think about.


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Good Post. In Todays world I just do not see how Farmers, and Ranchers make it.

Especially smaller Farms and Ranches...

It's caled White Man's Welfare................

That's why farmers all secretly vote democrat- to ensure they remain on the gov't tit and keep it from drying out.

Funny how they don't make any money yet those cocksuckers all drive new suburbans and King Ranch pickups.

Must be nice to get paid to not work- collect a check for NOT planting a field.

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That's why farmers all secretly vote democrat- to ensure they remain on the gov't tit and keep it from drying out.

The above statement is about the biggest piece of absolute know nothing as I have seen on this site.

Just like generalities, a little grain of truth.

Why do you think Daschle kept on getting re-elected.

The last 2-3 elections guy running locally; "Yeah, he's a democrat but he's a local guy who looks out for the community......" I believe the term was coined a "Texas Democrat" many years ago. But I guess that too was BS.

What- you've never seen good fields not picked, waiting for rain or plowed under for insurance. Good cotton fields that only required strippers not picked at all and chopped.

Unfortunately it's too late. I've never not voted the straight ticket. After Dole, McCain and now Romney WTF....and don't forget about that dumbass Perry....the Republican party has nominated a collection of morons.

I just hope the idiot doesn't have coattails this tme around.......

Could it possibly be that you have no working knowledge of how crop insurance works?

Generally, folks that spout off the type opinions like you have in your above posts have little if any real knowledge of the real world workings of the Agri-business industries.

Yes, the big factory farms/ranches do take advantage of lots of goverment give-me's, but the smaller independent operators just barely squeeke by in the best years.

Spend some time getting to learn what the folks with 5K acres or less of range/cropland have to deal with just to break even.

That only happens about 1 out of 6 years, and the lucky ones might show a profit one out of every 7 years.

FMC, I am a cotton farmer in West Texas. i wish to take issue with your mis-informed position. To start I am not a "cocksucker" who drives a King Ranch pickup. I drive a 2004 truck with 273,000 miles on it. Secondly your statement "Must be nice to get paid to NOT work- collect a check for not planting a field" only shows your ignorance regarding crop insurance.

Randy. I know you're type. You are a salt of the earth hard working SOB. You're out of the house at 7 and get home at 11 smelling of diesel and covered in grease. I know- we made our son work the summer with a rice farmer to teach him some character.

Your truck is missing the plastic guard on top of the tailgate and you got a dent in the tailgate and one of the quarter panels.

You know who I'm talking about........

Oh and FYI my mother in law's husband is a cotton farmer also, I know how WMW and guarantees (crop insurance) works......

For someone to start talking like they may have some real knowledge of how farming/ranching works for the small independents, your blanket indictment in your earlier response, makes one wonder which side of your mouth you are talking out of now.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
For someone to start talking like they may have some real knowledge of how farming/ranching works for the small independents, your blanket indictment in your earlier response, makes one wonder which side of your mouth you are talking out of now.

I didn't coin the phrase, nor did I finance a marketing program for its common usage. Do a searchNo, It was a one liner, meant strictly as a passing one liner, with a simple underlying "understanding" of what was meant.....

The Daschle comment actually came from my outfitter in Alaska when we talked about WMW and tobacco farmers getting subsidies.....

Talk to any non farmer in my town and mentioned WMW and they roll their eyes...do that in the co-op at 7am and get lynched.

Mention "lucky sperm club" and "mailbox money" in any small oil patch town and get the same eye rolls by many, just don't mention it in the country club.

Talk about the good ol' boys network of lawyers and friends who seem to make $ out of nothing....but it has to be legit......

And we're not even going to get started on money laundering or drug running.........or the country club key/wife exchange....etc etc etc...

or......talk about Texas deer hunting in Alaska....you'll get laughed out of camp for "waiting in a stand to pick out which freak rack you are going to shoot"

Not all on the internet is meant to be absolute black and white.

CHC:

There you go again. I look at and buy and sell land on a regular basis all over Texas. He was mostly discussing the hill country, which is what I was referring to (as I said if you could read instead of thinking you are somehow smart) and which you and your 260 acres are NOT in. How much land do you own and how many acres have you bought or sold in the last 15 years or so? If it's not at least 10,000, move on and tell it to someone who possibly thinks you know something about buying and selling land. I can show you numerous tracts for sale in Gillespie county that are $10,000 an acre or more.

Another option to consider researching is if a state has a Veteran's Land Board. Texas does, and I was able to save about half a percentage point over a regular VA loan. Not sure of total allowed size, but something else to look into. Good luck.

Gato, blow it out your ass. land can be bought for less than 2K an acre even in the Hill country. All a person has to do is look around.

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In general, unless you're into the desert area, land starts around $2000 an acre and goes up,

That statement is pure Bull Shit. You can make all the claims you want to, it is really easy to do on the InterNet, but land and good land can be bought in Texas for less than 2K, and NOT in 10K acre or larger amounts.

Take you Gillespie county shit and suck on it, i can shlow you land in Dallas county that goes for 1K or more a square foot. Go blow your smoke somewhere where people will believe your ass.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Gato, blow it out your ass. land can be bought for less than 2K an acre even in the Hill country. All a person has to do is look around.

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In general, unless you're into the desert area, land starts around $2000 an acre and goes up,

That statement is pure Bull Shit. You can make all the claims you want to, it is really easy to do on the InterNet, but land and good land can be bought in Texas for less than 2K, and NOT in 10K acre or larger amounts.

Take you Gillespie county shit and suck on it, i can shlow you land in Dallas county that goes for 1K or more a square foot. Go blow your smoke somewhere where people will believe your ass.

CHC, you kind of deliberately left off the rest of the sentence, to wit (bold emphasis mine):

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In general, unless you're into the desert area, land starts around $2000 an acre and goes up, WAY UP, from there in the hill country.

which not only makes you the same stupid ass you've always been but now adds liar to the list. One (I would say you, but you can't buy a garden plot)can buy good land in Childress county for less than $1000 an acre BUT THAT'S NOT the area of Texas he and I were talking about, get it?

I also note that you didn't mention how much land you own or how much you've bought or sold in the last 15 years, so who is REALLY blowing smoke about their vast knowledge of land values?
Like you said, it's easy to pontificate on the internet when you have no skin in the game. I put my money where my mouth is everyday, all you've got is mouth.

Yes Sir you are the be all, end all of land dealings ALL OVER TEXAS, In Your Damn Dreams.

While I like the Hill Country, it is NOT the be all, end all of Texas.

Land can be bought in areas that are not the desert for less than 2K an acre, even in portions of the Hill country.

Here go funny boy laugh this off.

http://www.landwatch.com/Haske...r-sale/pid/204546155

If that one don't work for you, try this one 920 acres @ $1107.00 an acre.

http://www.landwatch.com/Baylo...r-sale/pid/144008825

You will notice that BOTH are in Texas and both are less than 2k an acre.

It took me all of 5 damn minutes to find those two.

Or how about this one house and all, still less than 2K an acre.

http://www.llpranchland.com/li...s.php?sect=3&view=75

That is 3 properties in less than 10 minutes, less than 10K acres and less than 2K an acre. blow your smoke up your own ass.

What happened you were really good about stating how little I know and what a big shot you are.

From your statements, sounds like you are a Real Estate agent, so yes, your gonna blow yourself up to be an expert.

I like this one.

http://www.landwatch.com/defau...8000261&mltmid=23111

It is all cheaper than what you can find here in Wyoming.

Yes Fat Cat is correct, land in that area of the Hill country that is most convinient/closest to Austin/San Antonio has skyrocketed in price, but most of that stuff is broken up into 100 acre or less Ranchettes.

Contrary to one persons statements, for folks wanting some decent land, especially stuff not in spitting distance of a major metropolitan area, it is out there and available at less than 2k an acre and not in 10K acre chunks.

These two are wonderful!

Lots of game tram pics on this listing near Rocksprings


I love this one, but it needs more house.

Did not mean to take your question so far off topic, but as you found out for yourself, even though it isn't your first choice of a place to live or does not meet some of the criteria you listed, there is land available in Texas, including the Hill country for less than 2K an acre and you don't have to try and buy 10K or more acres to get it.

Personally the idea that was presented about a Hopps Farm sounded really interesting.

Doesn't really matter where you go in the west, places like the Hill Country in Texas, Aspen/Vail or any of the ski resorts in Colorado, Jackson Hole in Wyoming add infinitum, land prices are going to be higher than stuff a little farther away from the tourist traps.

I have had 8 surgerys in the past 2 years. A lot of what I want is based on the speculation that my body will be ready for more adventure.

Texas is what we call our fall back plan. Just depends on how banged up I am when we leave.

3 cruises doing our squadrons flight operations on an aircraft carrier, plus numerous deployments to Afghanistan and Somalia have left me a little busted up. But lots of guys are a hell of a lot worse, and unfortuantly lots are not with us anymore. At least I never got shot.

Lots of guys get a lot more banged up, I am just happy to mostly able bodied today.

Many thanks for your service to our country. i think you are approaching your future the right way. Develope a plan and alternatives and be flexible as the situation dictates.

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These two are wonderful!

I will tell you what, buy either one, and I will come down and eradicate all those nasty creatures in the photos!

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I will tell you what, buy either one, and I will come down and eradicate all those nasty creatures in the photos!

Always a plus to have enthusiastic volunteers!!!!

If you had 200 acres in that Rocksprings country how many deer/aoudad/sika whatever do you think it would support with year round supplimental feeding?

How many shooter bucks could be taken?

I am kind of guessing 50 deer is what if would feed. But I don't know anything about that part of Texas. I have been told that most of Kerr County will feed a deer an acre. That was by someone trying to sell me real estate there though.

I have seen on TV where the Tecomate guy was using cotton seed as a supplimental feed. He said the hogs and javelina were not so fond of it, but they would eat it. Unlike corn that they ate like it was covered in brown sugar.

200 low fenced acres almost anywhere in Texas any more, with a good feed program and you'll go broke keeping enough feed out for all the mouths out there, especially if you have a year round water source available.

From my experience until you have 1K or more acres, you will not have any or only a very few "resident" deer on your land. Even javelina bands have home ranges of a couple hundred acres or more.

Depending on what your neighbors are doing in regards to supplemental feeding/food plots, you might have a lot of activity/movement or minimal.

Make up of the neighbors properties will also have an affect. Two hundred acres or more, surrounded by similar sized or larger properties, will be a better situation than two hundred acres surrounded by 100 acre or smaller properties. If the surrounding properties are 50 acrers or less, things can become intolerable real fast.

Luckily TP&W ha good regional biologists on ntheir staff that will do game assessment surveys on private property, plus there are quite a few private biologists in the business of helping set up management programs.

In reality, on 200 acres an individual is going to have minimal impact on managing game in the area, again, a lot will depend on the neighbors and what their programs are.

The only way to really manage 200 acres and be certain of your efforts is to high fence it.

The one I was thinking of is surrounded on 4 sides by 2000 acre plus neighbors. Access is by an easement.

If you had small neighbors you would damn near be mandated to do high fence or you would be feeding everything everyone else was shooting.

I like the money where my mouth is.Kinda like
in booking a hunt.Bravo gatogordo!!!

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Gato, blow it out your ass. land can be bought for less than 2K an acre even in the Hill country. All a person has to do is look around.

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In general, unless you're into the desert area, land starts around $2000 an acre and goes up,

That statement is pure Bull Shit. You can make all the claims you want to, it is really easy to do on the InterNet, but land and good land can be bought in Texas for less than 2K, and NOT in 10K acre or larger amounts.

Take you Gillespie county shit and suck on it, i can shlow you land in Dallas county that goes for 1K or more a square foot. Go blow your smoke somewhere where people will believe your ass.

CHC, you kind of deliberately left off the rest of the sentence, to wit (bold emphasis mine):

quote:

In general, unless you're into the desert area, land starts around $2000 an acre and goes up, WAY UP, from there in the hill country.

which not only makes you the same stupid ass you've always been but now adds liar to the list. One (I would say you, but you can't buy a garden plot)can buy good land in Childress county for less than $1000 an acre BUT THAT'S NOT the area of Texas he and I were talking about, get it?

I also note that you didn't mention how much land you own or how much you've bought or sold in the last 15 years, so who is REALLY blowing smoke about their vast knowledge of land values?
Like you said, it's easy to pontificate on the internet when you have no skin in the game. I put my money where my mouth is everyday, all you've got is mouth.

huntincats, not only me but MOA posted examples showing the Fat Cat is as full of shit as you are.

You have some problem and are too much of a coward to tell everyone what it is. Prove me wrong on the places I listed or STFU you pathetic POS.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
huntincats, not only me but MOA posted examples showing the Fat Cat is as full of shit as you are.

You have some problem and are too much of a coward to tell everyone what it is. Prove me wrong on the places I listed or STFU you pathetic POS.

Your response just proves your goal is just to stir up chit, nothing more and a Hell of a lot less.

You are a small minded individual, that has developed some problem, real or imagined toward MOA.

I do not know you or him, but at least he tries to ask legitimate questions and stay on topic, where as all you can come up with is deragatory comments directed toward MOA or anyone that remotely agrees with him. You are a pathetic POS.

A huntincats and a fat cat, probably one and the same.

Now that some of the dust is settling, YES, you can get land, rural land, over Texas for under 2k an acre. There is 50 acres west of me about 5 miles that is in 100% cultivation, Farm Road on one side and county road across the front, water meter and electricity for 1275 an acre.

With that being said if you want a Pristine RANCHETTE in the hill country, whatever the market will bare.

With all the wealthier folks from San Antonio and Austin, buying a Ranchette in the Hill Country, land is skyrocketing.

I like my ranch like it is, I have two sections, more than I can take care of.

Yes Swifter there are places like the one you mentioned and then there are places like what Gato mentioned and there are places like the ones I posted and MOA posted, but since you/me and Gato are not the ones that asked the question, the answers given should be a reasonable representation of what is available across the state, and not all of west Texas is desert. My issue is that land, and good land at that, can be bought in Texas for less than 2K an acre.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Your response just proves your goal is just to stir up chit, nothing more and a Hell of a lot less.

You are a small minded individual, that has developed some problem, real or imagined toward MOA.

I do not know you or him, but at least he tries to ask legitimate questions and stay on topic, where as all you can come up with is deragatory comments directed toward MOA or anyone that remotely agrees with him. You are a pathetic POS.

put your money where your mouth is.Buy some land,buy a hunt,my only point is dont reccomend a hunt you havent taken,dont represent real estate you dont know anything about.(or could never buy)(food stamps arent legal tender)And i havent used any obsentities
to answer you.Good luck with your anger problem.

Tell me how those food stamp dealies work. I have never had a need for them.

Now, as to your other No Nothing allegations, I don't recommend hunts I haven't taken, only ones I have. So that is one case to not be advising me on anything D.A..

I ain't representing real estate, I just merely posted links from the internet that anyone with an ounce of brains can look up for themselves, another situation where you can keep your P.O.S. advice to your self.

Also, I consider recognising a pathetic P.O.S. for what it is, as not being an obscenity (you might want to learn how to spell) but simply stating a fact.

Come back when you grow a pair.

Saw a good quote on a political ad I got in the mail today that fits you perfectly"ALL HAT AND
NO CATTLE"

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Tell me how those food stamp dealies work. I have never had a need for them.

Now, as to your other No Nothing allegations, I don't recommend hunts I haven't taken, only ones I have. So that is one case to not be advising me on anything D.A..

I ain't representing real estate, I just merely posted links from the internet that anyone with an ounce of brains can look up for themselves, another situation where you can keep your P.O.S. advice to your self.

Also, I consider recognising a pathetic P.O.S. for what it is, as not being an obscenity (you might want to learn how to spell) but simply stating a fact.

Come back when you grow a pair.