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let his woman wear his boots, pack his rifle and bring home the bacon.

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You find a woman like that you let us know eh.

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Originally posted by RSY:
"Mad at 'em"?????

I've never been "mad" at any animal I've hunted. That's a ridiculous statement that betrays laziness, at best.

RSY

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Originally posted by Quail Wing:
Does he expect to be driven to a blind, sit down and wait for a whitetail to come to the auto feeder?

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Good deal! Some high and mighty soul wants to break out the stereotypes and assail them with thinly veiled, hypocritical attacks!

My turn.

Regarding the elk story, what did you expect, considering all the camo the guy wears and his fancy binocular, not to mention his synthetic-stocked rifle shooting a belted magnum? He, and others like him, are not hunters; just avid Cabela's catalog readers. Friggin' amateurs!

My favorite part of the story was right after he missed a 300-yard shot with that MAGNUM:

"When he never came back out, we agreed to close in tighter if there was another shot to be had."

Translation: I just tipped my hand and showed the guide I had more rifle than shooting skill.

Now, don't I feel superior?

And about those low-lifes that use bait to hunt whitetail, how despicable. (Tongue firmly planted in cheek)

RSY

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Originally posted by OldFart:
I just read �11th Hour Ram� by A.E. Walsh in Augusts American Hunter Magazine. In this article, the guide spends two day riding to a area he calls the �Fortress of the Rams�. Once they finally get there, Walsh decides he doesn�t want to climb the mountain, so they ride back.

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What a first class bitch and Mamma's boy
I guess his girlfriend/Wife can't be to happy either and he better start collecting stamps or something less physicly taxing

/ JOHAN

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Originally posted by Quail Wing:
This is one writer who needs to write about others. I found an article of his at:
http://www.utahelkhunt.com/content/hm20021.html

Pete

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12,00o acres with 2000 fenced for "trophy elk"

Not much of a hunt or hunter by his article and quite the whiner.

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Originally posted by OldFart:
What he deserved was to sit on the lake eating bon bon�s and reading romance novels.

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If the client isn�t willing to give this effort, the guide should take him to a petting zoo and hold back the children while the client takes his trophy.

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I loved all your comments, this thread made my day (and I fully agree)!

Regards!
Martin

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Originally posted by bmpregler:
Hold your horses Seafire. That is a pretty broad generalization that the younger generations are not true hunters. I am what most would consider young and feel that me and my buddies can and do hunt as hard and as ethically as anyone else. Age doesn't have anything to do with how you hunt! I've seen some of the older generations do some pretty dumb stuff.

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Mr. Regler;

I do stand partially corrected. You are from Oklahoma. Hunting is still much more accepted where you are from. I don't know of a lot of Animal Rights activists out of Oklahoma.

However, here on the West Coast, you are looked at like a criminal by a lot of these Urban People, regardless of age, if you hunt.

Also I will concede, that a lot of Older Guys don't have their shit together. However, if they don't when they get old, then they NEVER had it together, and I am sure you would want to Move on down the road if you are hunting near them.

I am glad you spoke up, because it shows me that Some Younger people do give a shit, and that is a real reward to me. Us older people want to see hope in our future generations, not stupidity and lacidasicalness( screwed up that spelling!). It is a pleasure to see someone standing up and saying so!

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Originally posted by Gatehouse:
I liked the part in the elk story where he 'snuck away for a shower at the lodge.'

Who goes on a horse trip and wastes a day goign back to the cabin for a shower?

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Originally posted by Gatehouse:
I liked the part in the elk story where he 'snuck away for a shower at the lodge.'

Who goes on a horse trip and wastes a day goign back to the cabin for a shower?

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Sounds like a nancy boy to me.

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I always thought that the Aussies were the only ones who used the term "Nancy Boy"

It always seemed so appropriate- I'm glad it's universal

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Originally posted by beemanbeme:
Outdoor Writer, naaaaah. Just another toy to be justified. Your example of the difference between 300 and 350 yards doesn't really hold up. A 140gr 7mm bullet @2900fps with a 200 yard zero will show a differnce of 3 inches in drop between 300 and 400 yards. .

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Depending on exact bc of the specific 140 gr 7mm bullet, it would be about 7" low at 300 yds and about 20" low at 400. By my math that is 13", not 3". Wind drift, assuming a 15 mph breeze, would also determine whether you effect a humane kill or wound an animal. The difference between 300 and 400 yds would be about 9".

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Originally posted by A.E. Walsh:
...just thought I'd drop in and take it on the chin. But as your slugging away, I also thought I should give you a bit more info on the points you've made, as 2,500 words per story isn't enough to go into all the details.

And to Pete, Quail Wing, my job as a writer is to write about my experiences and relate those to others. One thing you will always find in my writing is honesty: when I miss, I will say so, and when I'm tired, I will also say so. (Would you rather I lie?) If you have never been exhausted hunting elk, then I admire your stamina. But having grown up hunting elk in the straight-up-and-down rainforests of western Oregon, I've busted my hump after elk...and blacktails, and bears. I know a hard hunt, and I enjoy a hard hunt, contrary to popular belief.

Abe

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A 140gr 7mm bullet @2900fps with a 200 yard zero will show a differnce of 3 inches in drop between 300 and 400 yards.

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You should learn how it works. Then you'd have something to write about.

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