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I think I got the point of your post. You said that a firearm in a trunk is a safety issue but should not result in a years suspension. On your first point I disagree on your second I agree. The issue isn't unsafe firearms the issue is people who don't behave properly in society; so the powers that be somehow feel the solution is to limit the freedoms of those who do. Howard Moses Lake, Washington USA hwhomes@outlook.com | |||
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Howard it is always interesting to see what other people see as "normal". I have alot of American friends and 99% are hunters and almost all of them feel like you. But on the other side its always sad to read the newspaper and read about the 5 year old girl that shot her brother in the head with a gun that was laying in a car loaded, or playing with rifle that was left on the table ? Or read about the bank robber who was high on drugs and took a car with a rifle in the back and decided to rob Macdonalds but it ended that he shot the waiter instead. Sure you can blame it on that father, robber, common sense etc. But isnt it easier to just lock that gun in the safe and leave it there until its time to hunt/practice ?, away from childrens and people that not are capable to use a firearm. | |||
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Well one problem is that in your scenario those who are determining what is "normal" are removed from the specific incident (gun in car on school parking lot) and typically also, the overall activity (gun ownership). In this case you have non gun owners and non hunters, far removed from the subject, determining what should be normal. Yes it is sad but when that same brother somehow puts the car in drive and backs over his sister in the driveway you don't hear those people calling for a ban on vehicles. See in this case everyone is aware and involved in the use of automobiles so they get that it's not the automobiles fault. It is very easy to call for a limit or ban on activities that you don't participate in. Howard Moses Lake, Washington USA hwhomes@outlook.com | |||
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I guess that exception only exists for stolen pearl handled 32's found in a gang banger's waistband. Wouldn't want to ruin the young man's chances to get ahead...  An old man sleeps with his conscience, a young man sleeps with his dreams. | |||
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+1  Aim for the exit hole | |||
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+1 Just thank God we are in America. Look at the twisted, indoctrinated mindset of A.D.'s post. Unfortunately, America is sliding rapidly to approximate A.D.'s country's values... | |||
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Yes sometimes I must say Thank god you are in America  | |||
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A. Dahlgren, Don't worry at the pace we are going the US will arrive at the state of European regulation on guns and personal freedoms way ahead of the time it took Europe to get there. The mindset of our previous frontier opening generations is disappearing at an alarming rate. The urge to tell other people what to do to extremes from those who collect a tax sponsored salary is probably universal......we just used to be better at not letting them get their way. On the practical side if you live 20 or 30 minutes drive from school in the opposite direction of where you want to hunt - you may not get to hunt if you don't store the gun in the car. Where I work it is cause for dismissal to have a gun or ammunition in the car. It keeps me from being able to hunt, shoot trap, etc. after work quite often.....not a choice I like making but one that isn't unusual today and seems to be growing more common. | |||
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Well said Howard! | |||
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KALISPELL — The superintendent of a northwestern Montana school says he doesn't think the school board will expel a junior who inadvertently brought an unloaded rifle to school in the trunk of her car. Superintendent Michael Nicosia says he believes the 16-year-old honor student and varsity cheerleader will be back in classes at Columbia Falls High School before Christmas break. The board is scheduled to meet Monday to discuss the case. Nicosia tells the Daily Inter Lake he's not going to recommend that she be expelled, which would mean she would have to be out of school for more than 21 days. He says suspensions can last up to 20 days. The girl was suspended Dec. 1 after contraband-sniffing dogs were brought to school and she told administrators she had forgotten the rifle she put in her trunk after a hunting trip. | |||
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RC, Sounds like we are about the same vintage. I did the same as well. When in High School...I carried a rifle with me EVERY day of school as I fed cattle on range land afterwards. Everyone knew and no one cared. Others did the same. Often times we carried our .22's to the school ag farm to shoot rats out of the hay barn during school time! Times have definitely changed...and not all for the better. As my Dad says...I like the fact that the house is always warm and we don't have to walk to the out-house in the middle of the night but other than that... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Ernest...good on yo...  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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If a gangbanger had carried a .32 into my High School when I was a kid...we would have laughed at him. Some old farm kid might have taken it away from him and given him a good @$$-whippin. Then most importantly...if he had tried to use it...some old farm kid would have put a 12 g load of 00 through him...matter closed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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PS: at that time he would have been a town hero...not expelled! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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A Dahlgren, I don't have a car that does not have a dedicated revolver that lives in the car at all times. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Isn't that what grandfathers are for? TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Boy have things changed since I was a teenager. I lived in the country and attended a country school and no one could have cared less if a gun was in someones truck (or car). I do understand we live in different times, but I don't think punishing this girl will prevent school violence. Someone intent on doing harm will find a way. I still believe the old saying "Guns don't kill people; people kill people." Red C. Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion. | |||
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And I would bet a steak dinner you got a better education! My dad did the same, 26 kids in the same room. And he would help with my home work that I had trouble mastering. | |||
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As an update, the girl was not expelled but was still subject to the suspension. On the bright side, they are allowing her to make-up any school work she missed so her grades will not be adversely affected. This deviates from the usual suspension policy is which the student receives no credit for time missed. Don't agree with the suspension part but I guess it's a hell of a lot better than her being expelled and thankfully her overall academic record won't be affected. | |||
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I'm sure every kid in that high school got a good lesson in modern day "truth and rightousness". Aim for the exit hole | |||
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relax everyone the man in charge will do the right thing. i went to collage with mr nicosia and taught him how to shoot. he will do what is right and fair . sometimes people over react . let the ones in charge have a chance to get all the facts than make a good judgement | |||
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Thats all well and good but IMO it shouldn't have been an "incident" to begin with. To be rather pragmatic, how many bucks have been spent on this "incident"? Whoever turned it into an "incident" should have their asses out on the street. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Posted 10 December 2010 23:22 Hide Post Somebody recall the details please, but do you guys remember when employees in Oklahoma City or Tulsa were fired because they had firearms stored away in their automobiles in the company parking lot. They filed suit on Second Ammendment infringement and perhaps others ammendments and WON. Not Living in Oklahoma these days but; Not sure if they won. Werehouser was the culprit. Long story, basically they posted a new policy about firearms on company property. Day before deer season they did a search for drugs. Even fire one of the supervisors because re refused to participate. Lost first battle in court. Not sure of outcome. Oklahoma passed a law allowing firearms on any public parking lot (not fenced, not secured, its public). one of the Oil companies got involved with an injunction stopping the law from going into affect. Last I heard, its in place. | |||
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