Topgun, that is all I was trying to point out, and look at the reaction.

I have nothing against Greg Rodriguez or his family. My condolences go out to ALL actually involved.

There is more to this story than what has been made public, but some folks do not or cannot handle the actual truth.

CHC---I hit the wrong button and put part of that post up before I had finished. Please reread what the full post reads and then STFU!!!

I also put CHC on ignore. My mother taught me if you don't have anything nice to say STFU.
Throwing sh*t and innuendo at someone who has been murdered and leaves family behind is WRONG.

CHC, don't let these apoligists push you around.
Ya gotta wonder how many of them would be OK with their wives slugging down wine with some other guy at her mother's home (who was not there) late at night ?
A married man has no business doing this under any circumstances.
They were not there and are just running their yaps based on liking the guy as a "gun guy", with not a clue as to whether or not he was a cocksman. Having a wife and kids doesn't preclude messing around (ask Billy Clinton).
Wanna bet we never see the transcript of the inquest ?

A very wise man told me a long time ago, there are THREE sides to EVERY STORY.
1) Side "A"
2) Side "B"
3) The truth that lies somewhere between.

We may never know the exact details, and to be quite honest, it really doesn't matter to me what is the outcome.
None of this personally affects me.
As many here have stated, I too will miss his insightful and fun to read articles.

My condolences to everyone actually involved in this tragedy.

There is a time and a place for everything. This is hardly the time or place for baseless accusations and criticism.

This is a time to remember a man who made his mark on this industry, as a writer, a TV show host, a father of two young kids, a husband and a true hunter. Greg told me once that he hunted some 250 days per year. He had hunted 20 countries, and worked with some of the same outfitter that I work with.

Never ... Not once, heard anyone say anything negative about Greg. And yes, we do talk amongst ourselves about what's going on in the industry. Most of us are well aware of who the snakes are. Greg was not one of them.

I knew Greg, not extremely well, but I knew him. I last talked to him in Reno. I made the time on the last day of the show to go see him, he was on the complete opposite end of the hall from me, I didn't just happen across him. I made the time in Dallas to go say hello to him as well.

I will miss Greg. He was one of the good guys and a funny guy to boot.

I ask you guys, please, if you have anything that is in any way disrespectful, this one time, please just keep it to yourself. Please stop trying to defend your position of why you said what you said. Just let this one slide please.

Thank you.

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Originally posted by silverbullet45:
CHC, don't let these apoligists push you around.
Ya gotta wonder how many of them would be OK with their wives slugging down wine with some other guy at her mother's home (who was not there) late at night ?

They were not there and are just running their yaps based on liking the guy as a "gun guy", with not a clue as to whether or not he was a cocksman. Having a wife and kids doesn't preclude messing around (ask Billy Clinton).
Wanna bet we never see the transcript of the inquest ?

***Great second post there newbie! It looks like you fit right in the CHC mold and can't comprehend simple English when we've all said that this is not the time or place to hash this out. Your statement: "A married man has no business doing this under any circumstances." is a bunch of BS in this day and age! My wife and I have a 38 year marriage built on trust and neither of us would have a second thought of doing something like that. In fact, my wife is out for several hours this evening 25 miles from here at a musical with a lady friend of hers and I have no suspicion that there is anything else going on like CHC and people on other websites are speculating on this situation. As WR and others have asked, please let it alone if you have nothing good to say!

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I ask you guys, please, if you have anything that is in any way disrespectful, this one time, please just keep it to yourself. Please stop trying to defend your position of why you said what you said. Just let this one slide please.

Nothing I am saying is disrespectful in anyway, I am simply saying that there is more to this story than has been made public. PLEASE explain how that is disrespectful.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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I ask you guys, please, if you have anything that is in any way disrespectful, this one time, please just keep it to yourself. Please stop trying to defend your position of why you said what you said. Just let this one slide please.

Nothing I am saying is disrespectful in anyway, I am simply saying that there is more to this story than has been made public. PLEASE explain how that is disrespectful.

Wow, crazy, you are a new special kind of stupid.

Sad,sad thing when something like this happens regardless of circumstance. Its the families we need to keep in mind.

Crazy you should back out of it. All things become self evident and conjecture only lengthens that process. At that point you can then be an "I told you so" or you can walk away silently. Either way, in you own mind you win !!!

I will miss Greg and his politically incorrect sense of humor and candor. He hosted my wife and I on her first ever hunting trip down on the ranch in Texas. Greg personally guided her and coached her through the taking of her first big game animals and gained enough confidence to book her own BC black bear hunt through Greg's company. Sharing the ranch with Greg and James was an experience we still talk about and will always cherish. She took it really hard when we heard the news this morning, as did I.

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Like everyone else on this site, I am thought well of by the folks in my community.

This community seems to share a different opinion.

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Originally posted by silverbullet45:
CHC, don't let these apoligists push you around.
Ya gotta wonder how many of them would be OK with their wives slugging down wine with some other guy at her mother's home (who was not there) late at night ?
A married man has no business doing this under any circumstances.
They were not there and are just running their yaps based on liking the guy as a "gun guy", with not a clue as to whether or not he was a cocksman. Having a wife and kids doesn't preclude messing around (ask Billy Clinton).
Wanna bet we never see the transcript of the inquest ?

Welcome back artshaw/45-70 shooter.

I would like to thank everyone for their kind words and prayers. His family as well as the hunting and shooting communities endured a great loss with his passing.

Greg was dear friend for many years as well as my boss at GAO. We are devastated by the senseless tragedy that occurred. Our world is a bit darker without GRod in it.

For those folks who are attempting to tarnish the reputation of Greg without any facts or evidence, I ask that you show some decorum for our friend and stop.

The media decided to gloss over the fact that Greg was visiting a friend, business associate as well as a sponsor of his show. She was in a terrible accident 2 days prior, where she came very close to dying, she was recovering at her mothers house. Her mother and child were both present at the time.

Greg's kids read the internet, I do ask that you get the facts and stop the BS. ANYONE who takes issue with this please call me, I'll PM you my number or if you prefer come on by the office and I'll take care of your complaints personally.

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Originally posted by bwanajcj:
I would like to thank everyone for their kind words and prayers. His family as well as the hunting and shooting communities endured a great loss with his passing.

Greg was dear friend for many years as well as my boss at GAO. We are devastated by the senseless tragedy that occurred. Our world is a bit darker without GRod in it.

For those folks who are attempting to tarnish the reputation of Greg without any facts or evidence, I ask that you show some decorum for our friend and stop.

The media decided to gloss over the fact that Greg was visiting a friend, business associate as well as a sponsor of his show. She was in a terrible accident 2 days prior, where she came very close to dying, she was recovering at her mothers house. Her mother and child were both present at the time.

Greg's kids read the internet, I do ask that you get the facts and stop the BS. ANYONE who takes issue with this please call me, I'll PM you my number or if you prefer come on by the office and I'll take care of your complaints personally.

Is this you James? If so, Anna and I are devastated as well. Feel free to contact us through the email you have on file. We did the last whitetail ranch hunt with you in 2010 and she did the solo BC black bear hunt the following spring. Contact us buddy.

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Originally posted by bwanajcj:
I would like to thank everyone for their kind words and prayers. His family as well as the hunting and shooting communities endured a great loss with his passing.

Greg was dear friend for many years as well as my boss at GAO. We are devastated by the senseless tragedy that occurred. Our world is a bit darker without GRod in it.

For those folks who are attempting to tarnish the reputation of Greg without any facts or evidence, I ask that you show some decorum for our friend and stop.

The media decided to gloss over the fact that Greg was visiting a friend, business associate as well as a sponsor of his show. She was in a terrible accident 2 days prior, where she came very close to dying, she was recovering at her mothers house. Her mother and child were both present at the time.

Greg's kids read the internet, I do ask that you get the facts and stop the BS. ANYONE who takes issue with this please call me, I'll PM you my number or if you prefer come on by the office and I'll take care of your complaints personally.

THANK YOU for posting this and hopefully ending the disgusting innuendo and speculation

My prayers are with Greg, his family and his friends

Hi Mike,

Well it's what's left of me anyways, it is great to hear from you. Hope you guys are doing well. email is james@gaohunts.com

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Originally posted by bwanajcj:
Hi Mike,

Well it's what's left of me anyways, it is great to hear from you. Hope you guys are doing well. email is james@gaohunts.com

James, we only heard the horrible news this morning. We were both gutted. That hunt we had with you both is something we still talk about almost weekly. Anna heard the news first today and was immediately in tears. Both of you were special to us and we can only imagine your grief. We are praying for you and Greg's family.

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Originally posted by Canuck:

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Originally posted by silverbullet45:
CHC, don't let these apoligists push you around.
Ya gotta wonder how many of them would be OK with their wives slugging down wine with some other guy at her mother's home (who was not there) late at night ?
A married man has no business doing this under any circumstances.
They were not there and are just running their yaps based on liking the guy as a "gun guy", with not a clue as to whether or not he was a cocksman. Having a wife and kids doesn't preclude messing around (ask Billy Clinton).
Wanna bet we never see the transcript of the inquest ?

Welcome back artshaw/45-70 shooter.

BINGO!! My thoughts exactly!

James, email sent.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Canuck:

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Originally posted by silverbullet45:
CHC, don't let these apoligists push you around.
Ya gotta wonder how many of them would be OK with their wives slugging down wine with some other guy at her mother's home (who was not there) late at night ?
A married man has no business doing this under any circumstances.
They were not there and are just running their yaps based on liking the guy as a "gun guy", with not a clue as to whether or not he was a cocksman. Having a wife and kids doesn't preclude messing around (ask Billy Clinton).
Wanna bet we never see the transcript of the inquest ?

Welcome back artshaw/45-70 shooter.

BINGO!! My thoughts exactly!

Yes, he is back, how many names is this now.
You have to wonder about the mental state of those that would constantly get banned and yet keep coming back.
A cry for help?
Or just has no life.

Just to clear up a couple of items, all I said was that we will never know the whole story about why the incident occurred. People believed I was accusing Mr. Rodriguez of something, which, I wasn't. For all I knew the shooting was carried out by an overly jealous husband over reacting to a purely innocent situation.

Now after I have been vilified by various members of this site, I receive this little tid bit in the hate mail some of you fine upstanding people send me.

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The husband had mental health issues and he killed a dear friend who was doing nothing wrong or inappropriate. it's in the police report.

Now, isn't it funny, I never accused Mr. Rodriguez of ANYTHING, yet by merely saying that we may never know all the details about the shooting, so many folks immediately came to a conclusion that I was accusing Mr. Rodriguez of something?

Now someone sends me this piece of information, confirming basically my in initial suspicion about the husband and his role in the incident.

Another interesting piece of information that was left out, was this:

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who was recovering from a car accident 2 days prior where she almost died. She was at her mothers house, with her mom there as well as her infant son.

Combine those two pieces of information, and the reasons for the incident happening become pretty clear. But it also becomes pretty clear that some people automatically make assumptions about another persons intentions, WITHOUT, trying to find out what is being said in the first place.

Greg Rodriguez simply happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time and in the company of the wrong person and was killed for it.

Had he not been there, the husband would probably have killed his wife and Mother-in-law and kidnapped his son.

At NO POINT was it my intention to accuse Mr. Rodriguez of ANYTHING. This is an open forum and there is nothing preventing anyone from making a comment as long as it is done civilly. My condolences go out to the families and close friends of the slain.

They also go out to AccurateReloading forums, because some members believe that people that do not think exactly as they do should be censored.

Lol wtf you guys are a bunch of fucking clowns...

Whoa buddy, I sent that PM and saying it was hate mail is not correct, here is the entire message.

bwanajcj

posted 10 March 2013 11:02 Hide Post
Your opinion is of course your opinion, but the truth is different. The husband had mental health issues and he killed a dear friend who was doing nothing wrong or inappropriate. it's in the police report, I'm just asking that you stop trying to read into the situation where there isn't anything.



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Crazy, why did you start your initial statement on the subject with "I know I'm going to be the whipping boy here"?

Let me save you the trouble of trying to justify it and tell you why. You knew your comment was in bad taste and inappropriate before opening your mouth. You were looking for a fight before you even got started. There is no other explanation. That little voice in your head was telling you this is not the time or place to raise unfounded speculation on the gentleman's death. That little voice was telling you, let the folks who knew him grieve for his loss in peace.

Not listening to that little voice telling you to leave well enough alone, at least for the immediate timeframe when his friends and acquaintances are experiencing and expressing loss and sadness is the sure sign of a man who has no personal restraint in terms of manners. To continue to press the issue when respectfully asked by every single poster on the subject to refrain from continued speculation is the sure sign of a man with no class. Deny it all you want but you know exactly what you were implying and you knew it was wrong to do so prior to your first comment. Otherwise you wouldn't have started the comment with "I know I'm going to be the whipping boy here"!

As stated on another thread here on AR, I didn't know Greg. I didn't even know of him prior to yesterday's news. From the responses here, he must have been a fine fellow. For you guys who knew him, I'm sorry for your loss. For his family as well as the others affected by the travesty, I extend my condolences and sympathies as well.

Thanks Todd,

I do appreciate your kind words, as well I appreciate CHC condolences, i think they were genuine. But, I'm tapping out on this one, I said my piece about Greg and I hope we can let this go. Greg was a great guy, his loss was personal blow to me as well as his family. I'm having another drink in his memory, Cheers G '69-'13

Reading the course of this thread and the one in the African forum I’m reminded of the “Two T’s”,
Timing and tact.

Timing:

A wise man one penned a few lines in regards to timing. They are recorded in the 3rd chapter of Ecclesiastes.
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?
10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.
11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.
13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.
14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

Tact:
The acute sensitivity to what is proper and appropriate in dealing with others, including the ability to speak or act without offending.

It would appear that Mr. Rodriguez was in the wrong place at the right time. His life was forfeit, two families destiny altered.
It would also appear that timing and tactfulness were lacking in some of the foregoing posts.
We are diminished.
RIP Greg Rodriguez.

Best

GWB

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Originally posted by bwanajcj:
Thanks Todd,

I do appreciate your kind words, as well I appreciate CHC condolences, i think they were genuine. But, I'm tapping out on this one, I said my piece about Greg and I hope we can let this go. Greg was a great guy, his loss was personal blow to me as well as his family. I'm having another drink in his memory, Cheers G '69-'13

Wish I could join you mate...later!

I hunted with Greg twice. He was extrememly friendly and a great guy to be around. This is a damn shame.

Some of you guys must live in the stone age. Back in my army days I drove down from AK and called one of my WP classmates who was stationed in Ft Lewis. I had previously stayed at his place when I competed in the I Corps shooting championships. I was looking to crash at his place. He told me no problem, but he was going to be in the field. I got there around lunch, then slept for a few hours. That evening his wife and I bullshitted until after midnight, and yes, we had a glass of wine. Was there any hanky panky? Not at all.

A few years ago my neighbor called me on my mobile to tell me some guy was staying at my house while i was out of town. I told the guy I not only knew the guy, but also his fiance. And yes, I did know he was staying at our house.

There are several AR guys here with whom I would have no problem if they stayed at my house when I was gone and had a glass of wine with Ms AZW. So what is so weird about Greg R having a glass of wine? Geez, it was at the woman's mother's house.

In Alaska you dont lose your woman, you just lose your turn.

Can't stand it anymore - thank goodness for the ignore buttom.

Reich,

I'll honor your request below.

I've deleted the comments.

Time and place for everything. This is neither the time nor the place.

I try and live by these words, others should be mindful of them.


Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

Eleanor Roosevelt

Well I'll be damned! I just saw a guy lynched on the inter web. I now understand how lynch mobs work.
I don't know any of the folks involved, including Crazy.
Just like most everybody else here, all I know is what I read in the papers. I suspect "there is more to this story than has been released to the public." (That's what Crazy said.)
That could mean, the man and woman were long lost cousins and were talking about old times over a glass of wine. It could mean that the husband was really jealous and didn't like it that a guy was drinking wine with his wife at 9:00 at night. It could mean that the truth has not come out yet. No shit? You reckon?
Two men died, a woman got beat up and kids are without a Dad. That's all we know, so far.
After this post, I'm expect there will now be two nooses over the limb.
Reading comprehension is important.
Calm down, relax, smoke em if you got em.

Here's Greg and I on one of our many hunts, this time for Exotics at one of the Texas ranches.

Nice pooch!

Best

GWB

PS: In all seriousness, once again to all Greg's friends, my condolences to you. It was evident from this thread and the African Forum he was loved and admired. That is a tribute and testimony in itself.

Well men this is a FORUM I believe. All opinions can be considered if not agreed with.
Lets just express are simpathy for those closely involved and sling mud latter. Crazy, you have a good day sir!

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Originally posted by Canuck:

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Originally posted by silverbullet45:
CHC, don't let these apoligists push you around.
Ya gotta wonder how many of them would be OK with their wives slugging down wine with some other guy at her mother's home (who was not there) late at night ?
A married man has no business doing this under any circumstances.
They were not there and are just running their yaps based on liking the guy as a "gun guy", with not a clue as to whether or not he was a cocksman. Having a wife and kids doesn't preclude messing around (ask Billy Clinton).
Wanna bet we never see the transcript of the inquest ?

Welcome back artshaw/45-70 shooter.

That didn't take long, did it?