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smartassthanu!, as soon as I see you use the word 'reactionaries', that pretty much says it all as to where you are coming from. A thief is a thief! I don't care what you say about providing for your family. Poaching is a crime! If you don't want to stand in a welfare line, get off your ass and find a job or hunt legally on gov. land. If you poach your are stealing from someone else! Justify it as you want , just don't get caught poaching on our land, you will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, no matter your 'family's' predicament. The things you see when you don't have a gun. NRA Endowment Life Member Proud father of an active duty Submariner... Go NAVY! | |||
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And so back to the original thread...My condolences to the Grove Family…David gave the ultimate sacrifice in protecting our Pennsylvania resources. He shot the officer four times so he knew full well what he was doing. Sad that we don’t have a working and true death penalty in PA because this guy should be at the top of the list. "Diligentia - Vis - Celeritas" NRA Benefactor Member Member DRSS | |||
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Not according to the law. Just remember when your buck this year dissappears and you wonder what happened to it I might know where he is.   | |||
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And what do you think Welfare is? I forgot there were a bunch of liberal socialist on this site.  | |||
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Your dignity in the example stated is nothing more than pride. There is a lawful method to feed your family, but your pride won't let you accept the government assistance. That is not dignity, that is pride. You would choose to break the law and poach an animal instead of being humble and accepting the free assistance. A person can be humble and still maintain his dignity. It is a falsehood to claim your are maintaining your dignity when your pride won't allow you to accept government assistance. If your hunting dog is fat, then you aren't getting enough exercise.  | |||
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I don't think you understand. For me it is Dignity. I view receiving government assistance as a disgusting act only to be considered when there is absolutely no other option to survive. Somewhat like canibalism. It would be a disgusting sin for me to go lay in bed with this disgusting government and hold my hand out. That boys is DIGNITY, learn it, live it. | |||
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not on welfare he can't. | |||
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"lay in bed with this disgusting government and hold my hand out..." Lotsa boats and airplanes leaving this country. Why don't you get on one. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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You seem to be saying that if you are unwilling to accept government assistance (welfare) you should leave the country?  Howard Moses Lake, Washington USA hwhomes@outlook.com | |||
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Dignity and stealing are mutually exclusive son. If you are going to all preachy on us, you need to check out the Ten Commandments first. "Thou Shalt NOT Steal" is in there somewhere. You talk like "Poor White Trash". Rich | |||
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For those people that think asking for help should be embarrassing or is something to be ashamed of...do you know what the welfare system (public assistance these days) is? Apparently not. Let me educate you some. First, it ain't supposed to be and never was supposed to be...a hand out...but rather a hand up.....it's a program to facilitate a better society....the gubment just transfers the needs from the TAXPAYER to the needy person. Without a program to provide assistance to those that need it, you really have NO modern society. Sometimes people have to be forced to do what is best for the greater good...thats where the taxman enters into the "system". He collects this "good nature" and puts it in a kitty to be distributed to those that have a TEMPORARY need for this good nature. Unfortunately, there are people that look to take unfair advantage of the good nature provided, much like there are greedy people in EVERY segment of society...and this places a negative spin on this otherwise great program...so negative that good hard working people find it horrible to file for it when they need it most, even though they worked hard for a lifetime to support this very system. Now for the lesson so pay close attention here.....its fucking assholes like YOU that place the negative spin on this great program that is there as a safety net for the working class. Its people like YOU that make it hard for a needy person to accept the help when they need it...because people like YOU don't understand what the system is for and spread negativity to anyone that will listen to your rubbish. Its people like YOU that don't see the value in the greatest society the world has ever known and people like YOU that don't understand what makes it so. I have one word for YOU that might help....compassion....yes, for your fellow fallen man. If anyone should be embarrassed its YOU, not the man doing his best to feed his family.....and there is NEVER EVER a need to feel ashamed to collect from a program you also supported. If you went to school, you get the picture.......GET IT? Now, let this brave LEO rest in peace knowing he was the greatest supporter of a free society known to man. If you can, donate to his cause. | |||
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Its picking the lesser of two evils. Do I want to poach, no. But I want to suck the government tit even less. By the way poaching =stealing is your definition, not God's. I wouldn't speak up for him if I were you. Making assumptions about his will is a dangerous thing. As for talking as "whitetrash", weren't you the one a few posts back quoting teenagers and calling people "fucktards". I think its a little late for you to take the high road. | |||
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What? Do you work for Acorn or something? Its a handout! And yes you should be very ashamed of it. Thats why no one actively tries to get off of it. There is no shame involved anymore. All you people have become the Prince John and Sherriff of Nottingham in the modern age. You are so anxious to hang anyone that poaches the sacred deer. I am not sure there are many real Americans left. Certianly not on this thread. | |||
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I respectfully disagree, smarterthanu. I once was a young sailor, serving my country, one wife, two small children, no debts, living in one of the most expensive cities in the world (S.F., CA) because I was posted there and poor as the proverbial church mouse. Without welfare, my little family would not have eaten, much less prospered. I did not enjoy taking it but the fact of the matter is I PAID FOR IT. I paid for it with my hard earned taxes. You are not talking about dignity, you are talking about pride. They are not the same thing. And we all know what goes before the fall... H. Cole Stage III, FRGS ISC(PJ), USN (Ret) "You do not have a right to an opinion. An opinion should be the result of careful thought, not an excuse for it." Harlan Ellison " War is God's way to teach Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce | |||
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Hear! Hear! Well said. Thank you for reminding some us that as human beings we have the noble obligation to help those less fortunate than ourselves. That is what differentiates us from mere brutes. H. Cole Stage III, FRGS ISC(PJ), USN (Ret) "You do not have a right to an opinion. An opinion should be the result of careful thought, not an excuse for it." Harlan Ellison " War is God's way to teach Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce | |||
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I have no problem giving money to the less fortunate when I choose. I do have a problem with a government that forcefully takes money and redistributes the wealth to others with very little accountability or logic. Volunteering to take part in that is an act of shame. There is nothing decent about it. By the way you haven't read the posts of all these previous caring people. According to them you shouldn't have taken the money. You should have taken more jobs or not had the kids. | |||
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smarter...why do you choose to stay and live in America? You are not the kind of person a society needs to succeed and remain at the top rung of the world. I hear there is a huge void in Mexico for people that think like you do.....a void caused by people wanting to come to America because its the best society in the world....regardless of her faults. Please, move away or better yet, pay a visit to your religious leader...you need some spiritual advice. We here at the forum can't help you....its obvious. I'm done. Goodbye. | |||
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Because the USA is worth fighting for. It is not defined by this crappy government, nor the mooches like you waiting for a turn at it's tit. Its defined by great, ambitous people who still dream of a day when they can be free again. WHy don't you go to Europe, and join in one of those marches for more government intervintion and "free" shit from the gubmint. | |||
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Rich, you have the grammar skills of poor white trash, I fixed it for you.  And you are correct, Dignity and Stealing are mutually exclusive, but as I stated before, taking part in the welfare system IS stealing, whether you are the government stealing the money or the recipient accepting the stolen money makes no difference.
1) First of all Woodrow, the government does not "transfer the needs of the taxpayer to the needy person", they transfer the earned wealth of the taxpayer to the "needy", and this act, creates more needy as has been proven. 2) "Without a program to provide assistance to those that need it, you really have NO modern society. Sometimes people have to be forced to do what is best for the greater good..." Is that a Lenin or a Stalin quote? 3) "thats where the taxman enters into the "system". He collects this "good nature" and puts it in a kitty to be distributed to those that have a TEMPORARY need for this good nature." I believe that is the definition of "redistribution of wealth", and it is not "TEMPORARY", but enslaves generations of certain segments of society to the politicians who give them their bread. Are you a slavemaster Woodrow, or just an idealistic fool? 4) "Its people like YOU that don't see the value in the greatest society the world has ever known and people like YOU that don't understand what makes it so." It is idealistic communist fools like you that don't see that entitlement programs or "safety nets" as you call them are single handedly disassembling the greatest society the world has ever known. Which means that either people like you don't know what "makes it so" or you are a true communist and despise everything this great country stands for.
SFHR, you are absolutely correct, and there was a day that was done by families, churches and the private members of communities. But the government saw a way to step in and consolidate power through dependancy. The only hope we have to ever return to the way a society is supposed to care for their elderly and indegent, is to stop accepting the hand outs. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!
1) "You are not the kind of person a society needs to succeed and remain at the top rung of the world." First, just to clear any misconceptions, I personally know STU and he is exactly the kind of man this country needs more of, a man who puts God 1st, Family 2nd, and Country 3rd, A man who will let no one stand in the way of his most solemn duty which is raising his family to be just like he is. A man who owns a business and CREATES jobs and opportunities for other people so they can stand on their own 2 feet and do the same for their families. Next, in case you haven't noticed, America may have the largest economy, but we are far from the top rung of the world, this country has fallen into a dark moral hole and is headed towards destruction if we do not change our course. 2) "I hear there is a huge void in Mexico for people that think like you do.....a void caused by people wanting to come to America because its the best society in the world....regardless of her faults. Please, move away" Really? would that be your advice Woodrow? For a man that creates jobs, opportunity and revenue to flee this country so he could be replaced by a better class of citizen? An illegal citizen? A Citizen who has come here to get their share of the wealth redistribution through medicaid, food stamps, subsidized housing, while not "paying into the sustem" you have so much praise for? As stated before, you ARE A COMMUNIST TO YOUR CORE!! And I don't use that word to instill fear or reproach because of the traditional American sentiment that goes with it. I mean it, by what you have said you are by definition, a communist. | |||
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505 I know what welfare is! What I meant is that if you poach your are stealing from all of the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS! I have never and will never participate in any kind of welfare. I been working for a living since I was 18 yrs, 3 days after I got out of high school! You need to watch throwing around names to people you don't friggin know. The only thing good about a socialist ,is there aren't enough dead ones. The things you see when you don't have a gun. NRA Endowment Life Member Proud father of an active duty Submariner... Go NAVY! | |||
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Appologies to 505,. You really pissed me off. I am no where near a socialist. I am the person who taught my son that when he see's a leftist on tv he can spot them. I am to the right of Atilla the Hun. I absolutely despise socicialist and commie views! My son is 15 and has been taught he HAS to get a JOB asap. My wife is the same. Pull your load! I have already told him, no job at 18, college or not, out you go. Only way to go as I see it. I hope you accept my appologies for being rude, but then again I am pretty much an asshole when it comes to socialist and commie pinkos, as Archie Bunker called them. The things you see when you don't have a gun. NRA Endowment Life Member Proud father of an active duty Submariner... Go NAVY! | |||
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That's basic redneck logic. If you can't afford to buy food for your family, you probably can't afford to pay the fines/court costs, replace your rifle and possibly your vehicle, and attorney fees since a public defender is considered sucking from the "government tit." The end doesn't justify the means. There's always Top Ramen.  Thanks to people like Smarter, cops like me always have employment.  My prayers go out to the officer's family and friends.  **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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The point is don't get caught, which thanks to the laziness that plasters the ranks of your kind, that's not that hard to do. And if redneck logic keeps me off the welfare ticket, sign me up. Keep pushing freedom and the government ticket.  Glad to know you are happy there are poachers to chase while violent crime spirals out of control. Maybe there are 6 year old jay walkers you need to hit with a tazer, so you can feel the fullfilment of a job weel done.  | |||
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And if you don't support socialism, never accept welfare! No matter what. | |||
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Smarterthanu[/QUOTE] The point is don't get caught...[QUOTE] Spoken like a true expert! Smarty, we have two prisons in town with 5,000 convicts that didn't plan to get caught; however, as Burns so eloquently stateded: "The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry." Consequently, they were caught by cops that weren't tasing 6 year olds or eating donuts. They are now in prison sucking on the tit. There are two kinds of criminals: those who have been caught and those that are waiting in line. Poaching, incest, screwing farm animals, bank robbery, drunk driving are all crimes. You roll the dice and take your chances.  **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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That's one of the funniest lines I have heard in a long time. What's the temp like in fairyland today? When you are done Hauling in the town drunks tonight why don't you fly to Houston and try your hand at a real crime problem. Why does the vision of Barney Fife wearing a snow parka pop into mind right now? By the way a relative of mine killed a deer this weekend. He asked me to cape it out for him. It had a previous poachers .22 rimfire bullet lodged in the back of his head. Has the parks and wildlife department assigned a squad to catch this "thief"? Are they working in shifts through the night? | |||
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We are diminished by the loss of this very fine Officer, who gave all. Cold Zero | |||
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This is from someone who had the priviledge of training Officer Grove when he was a Cadet at the PGC Training School, move this garbage to another post. You have taken a post meant to Honor a person and turned it into a pissing match! Chris Whitmoyer PGC Food and Cover Worker | |||
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If you think posting a snuff article about the demise of anyone for the world to read is part of honoring them you have a lot to learn. If you want to honor someone come on here and talk about the greatness of his life, and not the last minute of it. I hope his children will know him for what he was and not think he is defined by a bunch of gung ho cops talking about how he went down. I notice you don't talk about specifics that made him great, you just come and bitch like everyone else. | |||
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Smarterthannobody - there you go again. Poppiing off about what you know so little of. There are plenty of jobs and I can put you in touch with one right now working 84 hours a week at $22 per hour plus benefits and overtime. We cannot get people to work. We have over 500 openings working drilling rigs. It is tough work but pays real well. If you can poach and shoot people and animals, you can work on a rig and make a living. You are in Houston, I think, running a taxidermy shop next to the bbq joint and Carter's Country. Texas was least affected by the economy. The excuse the "I was just feeding my family" is crap and you know it. Show me one, just one person in all of Penn. or Texas that needs to poach to live and I will shut up. You are a piece of work. | |||
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http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/por...t/community/pgc/9106 This is a link to Officer Grove's Memorial on the PGC website. There are addresses at the end for Memorial Contributions. | |||
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Excellent. You know of a job opening. That's fantastic. Are you ready to offer that job to 2.5 million americans? If you haven't noticed the unemployment rate is over 9%. Maybe you would like to offer that job to my relative who is 62 years old and has no experience in the oil field. Yeah anybody who wants to work 84 hours a week can have that job???? Your so full of shit. Why don't you look outside your ego bubble and realise not everyone wears the same pair of shoes. I don't think I will mention a name because I don't think he needs the attention but I actually do know someone who killed a deer in the summer so his kids could eat. That same person picked up a roadkill deer one time for the same reason. Those people exist out there, and just because they aren't sitting around serving you tea in your pinkies up club doesn't mean they don't exist. That is what I Know! I am a piece of work and you should be ashamed of your snobbery. | |||
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you need to just shut the **** up, you are an embarrassment to everyone on this site. Birmingham, Al | |||
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I bet you are embarrassed when you see people that stand for truth. Maybe not. Most of the people here aren't embarrassed to take government handouts, why would your character be much different. I know I shouldn't paint with such a broad brush, but after all you decided to speak for "everybody". All I tried to do was show people don't need to be a bunch of reactionaries to a poorly written news article and recognize that crime can be very complicated when a food resource is involved. Now I realize that the ranks of hunters in America are filled with a bunch of socialists who think the government should take care of all people without work, and killing a deer is a crime against the government and citizenship that should be punished with mandatory minimum sentences regaurdless of motive. Buddy, that is the logic of the lazy and the poorly educated, or just the brainwashed. I am not sure which catagory you fall into, but the fact that your ego annoints you to speak for "everybody" narrows it down. | |||
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C'mon dude. Enough already. We all did enough bashing of each-other. None of us are 100% correct in our thinking and we ain't gonna change anyones mind. The officer was needlessly murdered and there is noboby that can dispute that fact. Once again, my thoughts and prayers for this brave man and I hope this thread is done being mis-aligned by a few of us. | |||
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Please do enlighten me and point me in the direction of where it was determined that this cop killing piece of shit was caught poaching for food.. please. Or is all of this bickering & bullshit merely speculation of his motivation of poaching and then in turn murder? Let the facts speak for themselves.. the bastard was a convicted felon who got caught again doing something he shouldn't and didn't want to go back to the pen without a fight so he shot and killed a man all for the slighest of chances he may get to go home. Fuck him.. | |||
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Smarterthannothing, You are sounding a bit sanctimonious aren't we? If your "friends" are so hungry, why did you not offer to help them? Hunters for the Hungry provides several tons of meat each year for folks in my area. What about yours? As to your 62 year old relative - we have no age discrimination. If you want to work then come on. We have 500 jobs that people pass on everyday because welfare or unemployment is "easier". We go to the prisons to get inmates on work release to work those hours or even a reduced schedule so they can have a job when they get out. Bite it clown - if you truly want to work in this country, there are jobs. I am in an area where the unemployment exceeds 10%, yet we have 500 jobs available if you can pass a drug test. By the way, moron, we get about a 40% fail rate on the drug tests because these unemployed people have the money to buy dope. If someone does not want to work and can work - let them starve for all I care. You and yours included. | |||
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I agree 100%...... Completely irrelevant digression.....this loser wasn't hungry. | |||
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