Link to B&C ELK..

http://www.boone-crockett.org/...yWatch.asp?area=news

Thats the spider bull I believe. Do a google search for Spider bull and you will see lots discussion about this one...

Spider bull. $90k for the license and $30k for the guided hunt. The outfitter kept trackers and spotters on the elk for over a month, until the hunter arrived and the season opened.

WOW,I had never heard of it before,thats crazy money ...for a world record if you got it to spend ...i guess thats cheap?Me and another deer hunter was talking at work one day and he said if he killed the world record whitetail he wouldnt sale it for a million dollars....I told him if i did i would take it all in 10$ & 20$ please,,,Sold! He said he couldnt beleive i would do that!!!He stayed tore up about it for a week!!

Hey kudu I know you love to slam this bull like you did the last time this came up but the hunter Denny Austed hunted 2 weeks for this bull with Mossback outfitters.
You make it sound like they had it cornered and he just drove up and shot it. Get your facts before telling the story. Besides anybody that has ever hunted elk would know how impossible it would be to surround an elk and keep it there until the "hunter" got there to shoot it. Anyone knows that elk would blow out of there and run for miles, if you don't know that about elk then you've never hunted one.
The last time this bull came up you went off at the mouth like you knew it all and I didn't say a word. This time I can't contain myself.
This guy shot a tremendous bull and every real hunter should congratulate him for his accomplishment. You are jealous and you mean to run him down and cheapen his trophy which in my book is petty and small.
Everything about this bull is on the up and up otherwise B&C would say they are further investigating it, they love to dig into controversy and there is none in this case. Get your facts straight.
Awesome bull no matter what he paid for a guide fee and no matter what he paid for the tag.

I'd like to see a retired school teacher, or cop kill the world record anything. Free range, unguided and undisputed.

Hey Ryan
What is that supposed to mean?

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
Hey Ryan
What is that supposed to mean?

I would guess he means someone who is over worked and underpaid instead of someone who can afford 120k for and elk. JMHO

We don't all have to agree, but elk hunting is not what it used to be in many ways.

Jason

Ryan,
Look no farther than the World Record Typacal Whitetail killed by Milo Hanson in Saskatchewan 1993....oh and the #3 killed by James Jordan. Both killed by commen working class poor folk. The world record I think was shot during a deer drive with freinds and family or something like that...#2 was killed for food in 1914...both deer are freaks of nature

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We don't all have to agree, but elk hunting is not what it used to be in many ways.

Very true Jason! Great point! None of hunting is, it is all about the record book, and the almighty dollar!

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As you so speak of "blow out" elk are like whitetail, they stay in one area for long amounts of time, unless they are pressured hard, then when they "blow out" they don't go far. When they "blow out" is when they migrate. Goes to show how much you actually know about elk and elk habits. Same elk stay in the same area most of the year, small migration to and from higher and lower elevations, winter and summer. And in some areas they never leave, such as the Red Desert of Wy. Hunting pressure has more effect.

Elk are not"like whitetail". And to "blow out" an elk does not mean migrate. Anybody who has hunted elk on public lands knows and has seen elk pushed a little and they won't just run over the ridge and stay in their home ground like a whitetail they will leave and run for a mile or two or more.
You don't have the foggiest idea of what you are talking about. I don't know where you hunt your elk (game farm?) but where I hunt them (fair chase in the mountains) Elk will leave their small area and sometimes run right out of the hunting unit.
I still say you are Jealous of this hunter who took this fine Bull and you mean to cheapen the whole thing by running him and Mossback down. You don't have to agree with the whole hunt to call it a nice Bull and leave it at that.

I have no dog in this fight whatsoever, but I have seen some video of the spider bull shot prior to the season. In the video he is milling around looking very natural right up til the camper pops up in the background about 20 ft away. Now I am no elk expert by any means, but this seems in no way typical "wild" elk behavior, at least in my limited experience. Check it out yourself http://www.trophytube.net/video/82/Spider-Bull

+1 For elk hunting being not being what is used to be, god bless those *&.^ing wolves.

Funny thing is the bull was killed in late Sept. There were archery hunters, rifle hunters and muzzleloader hunters who all had a chance at this bull before the hunter killed it. There was another hunter with the same tag who hunted the bull also. That bull lived through 6 weeks of hunting (by over 50 other hunters, most of whom were average Joe's), before he was killed. I dislike what these high-end hunts have become. Auction tags are spiral downward in what hunting was and is happening in many states, including Utah, Wyoming, and many other states.

This topic shows that some guys posting on the internet know little about the subject.

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And for the record Mr. Austed has been quoted as saying, "I will never use the services of Mossback again"! Now is that the way a grateful hunter involved in fair chase hunt would act or some one who was involved in such a great event with such a great guide would talk?

Well, since I'm a new member of AR, I guess it is appropriate to make my first post one that concerns the Spider Bull. I didn't read every single posting on this thread, but did read most of them, and can say without a doubt in my mind that Kudu56 is mistaken about his perception of Mr. Austad's hunt for this bull. Mr. Austad was there and hunted for a couple weeks, over the month of September, before killing the bull on the 30th. I'm completely convinced that the hunt was fair chase, and that Mossback actually hunted this bull in a fairer manner than the way some of the other tag holders conducted themselves. I'd go so far as to say that Mossback was one of the more ethical groups up on Monroe this past September.

If you think that anyone could let a 'ranch' bull go on the Monroe unit and keep tabs on it, you've never seen the unit. It has tens of thousands of acres of unbroken timber, and while the top of the 'mountain' is generally rolling country, the perimeters are huge, deep canyons that many would never choose to hunt in. There is a ton of country on that unit that would enable the Spider bull to disappear, and that is what he did. Contrary to Kudi56's assertion that spotters kept track of the bull during the entire hunt, for most of it the Mossback crew did not know where it was. I know that for a fact.

OH, what do I base my comments on? I drew a Monroe archery elk tag and hunted elk there at the very same time, and in many of the same places, as the Mossback guides hunted with Mr. Austad. In a sense, I was competing with them for this bull, and on several occasions we were in the very same areas looking for elk at the same time. This bull has generated more interest, and more mis-information, than just about any North American animal, ever. About 10 days before Mr. Austad killed the bull in the 'Dairy Trail' area, he missed it on the mountain just to the east side of Manning Meadows Reservoir, just up from the dam. I had just as much opportunity to hunt that mountain as they did, it was right in front of my tent, just across a draw. I looked at that mountain every day for two weeks. I hunted the Dairy Trail area on several days, and that is where they eventually killed the bull while he was with cows. And, having talked to some of the players involved in this hunt, including someone who wanted the bull and didn't get it, there is more to the story than many would believe. A different hunter, someone competiting with Mossback, actually found the bull. To paraphrase an old WWII saying "Loose lips killed Spidy" (as opposed to loose lips sink ships). The guy who found the bull told someone he shouldn't have where he saw it, and a day later it was killed. The guy who opened his mouth was helping a different hunter and they too wanted a crack at the bull. They had an opportunity the day before Mr. Austad killed him, but couldn't get closer than approximately 350 yards, too far for their muzzleloader.

I realize as a new member here on AR that some won't believe what I'm saying. However, if you regularly visit Monster Muleys or Bowsite, you'll know I'm just repeating what I wrote about over the twelve days I hunted, since I'm the guy who did daily updates about this hunt from camp every night, up there on Monroe Mounatin. On MM, the thread I started was titled MONROE ELK HUNT, and many people followed that hunt on a daily basis. It was a great hunt in many ways.

CAelknuts welcome to the AR forum and thanks for the informative reply, I for one would like to hear more about this hunt in another venue rather than on this thread that has been run into the dirt by the likes of the windbag "kudu". I'll check out your report on the other forums.

I must add "kudu" you are an idiot and your attempts at insulting me are futile, my hunting experience is vastly different than you accuse me of. I didn't "read up" my elk hunting experience I've lived it and I'll bet I have personnaly packed out more elk alone on a pack frame than you, with no group of buddies to drag it to the truck for me. You are an incredible windbag and on the topic of the "spider bull" you are completely full of shit!.

Well, there were:
25 archers
39 rifle hunters
14 muzzleloader hunters
4 guys who could hunt all 3 seasons
1 guy who had the same tag as the man who killed the bull
1- the guy who killed the bull

The hunter who killed the bull could hunt with a rifle starting on Sept 1. He could have hunted with a bow starting mid-Aug. The bull wasn't killed until late Sept. Every hunter listed above hunted their tags before the bull was killed. So there were 80 guys who could have killed the bull.

Just stating the facts. The possee hunted the bull and the hunter killed it. Possee hunting is a black eye on hunting. I do find it interesting that an aforementioned guide's son is one of Mossback's top guides. Funny facts of the matter......

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I didn't "read up" my elk hunting experience I've lived it and I'll bet I have personnaly packed out more elk alone on a pack frame than you, with no group of buddies to drag it to the truck for me. You are an incredible windbag and on the topic of the "spider bull" you are completely full of shit!.

Prove it wind bag!

80 guys in one area, and a posse hunt, I like that term, posse hunt! 80 wouldn't even disturb an elk in an area.

Kudu, it's kinda funny that you think Kalen Lemon and the rest of the crew knew where the bull was all along, since I ran into him over Labor Day weekend out in country a long way from where they killed the bull, and he was searching far and wide for Spider Bull. Where I ran into him was a good five miles from where they killed the bull, and that afternoon both he and Doyle were out there looking for the bull. I ran into Kalen that afternoon, helped him with my maps in fact; and later that night was talking to Doyle and he mentioned that he'd watched me mess around with a nice 330s class bull that evening. I didn't even know that Doyle was in the area till he mentioned the bull I'd encountered just a couple hours earlier.

They were looking hard for him in early September and covered much of the northern half of Monroe in the process. I don't think Spider Bull was running all over that country then.

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They were looking hard for him in early September and covered much of the northern half of Monroe in the process. I don't think Spider Bull was running all over that country then.

I never said he was, the "posse" found him and stayed with him, Austed couldn't even get to the elk. They would find it, he couldn't get there, then they would find it again and get him closer. I have no qulams with them killing it, no qualms about the trophy aspect, I have a problem with the method.

It's all about money$

Kudu, you sound like an angry dude. I don't have any axe to grind (as opposed to you?) and don't know snellstrom any more than I know you. What I do know is that a lot of people claim to know what happened and how the hunt went down, but many of those same people couldn't find that unit if you handed them the tag. I was there hunting at the same time, so I've got a little different perspective than so many of you who have an opinion but have never set foot in that unit.

I don't have any agenda about the spider bull, Mr. Austad or Mossback, but I do care to dispell some of the BS people spout about this bull and the hunt for him. Reading your posts, it just strikes me that you're adding to the uninformed BS that I've read elsewhere. I don't need to communicate with snellstrom or anyone else to know about that hunt. I lived it.

http://www.monstermuleys.info/...CForumID12/9660.html

If you honestly believe what a guide and outfitter tells you, a complete stranger, or shares with you,reguarding hunting,especially when a $130,000 elk is at stake, you are very,very, naive! Last year they intimidated other hunters when trying to get a 400+ bull for a bowhunter.

The truth is,
$90k for the tag!
$30k for the outfitter,(don't you think that is rather high for a supposed normal guided elk hunt)?
a posse hunt!
yes on public land!
the hunter says he will never use them again.
and yes a magnificent trophy

If your beef is posse hunters, they were far from the only people hunting that way. Also, if you've really been to Monroe, you know how easily that bull could just disappear. After hunting there, I didn't think anyone would kill that bull unless he made a mistake during the rut, which he finally did. Like so many other males, his 'other brain' got him in serious trouble.

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Originally posted by kudu56:
Make sure you PM back and forth with snellstrom to get yourfairytales stories ironed out!

I was a member of MM for quite a while until recently and CAelknuts thread while he was hunting Monroe was one of the most enjoyable threads I have seen on there. You should look it up as he updated it on a daily basis. What he is telling you now is consistent with what he posted back in Sept.

That being said, I hate the fact that hunting has become a "team sport". Seems like Utards even like to come up with team names, most jacked up 4x4 trucks in Utah have a damn sticker on it that will tell you which "team" they're on.

You have to know that if Doyle had guys on that bull every day since they originally heard about it then it would have been dead on Sept 1. As was stated previously, 25 archers, 39 rifle hunters, 14 muzzleloader hunters,4 guys who could hunt all 3 seasons and the 1 other guy who had the same tag as the man who killed the bull had ample time before Austed killed it. It served no purpose to let all of those guys have chances at the bull if they did indeed have it located.

Help me understand what they had to gain by waiting? Me thinks somebody blew smoke up Kudu56's ass if they told him they were camped on the bull the whole time.

There is so much testosterone and competitiveness in Utah there isnt a snowflakes chance in hell they would take a chance on somebody else killing that bull and getting all the credit for it. The monetary gain from killing the potential world record is too great for anybody to pass up.

Drummond

PS Welcome to AR CAelknuts

This isn't just a Utah thing. This happens to some of the best mule deer in Colorado, elk in Arizona, animals in Nevada, etc. More Utah stories float on the web because some of the most popular hunting sites are based out of Utah.

Fire up the chute planes and lets go a huntin'.

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That being said, I hate the fact that hunting has become a "team sport". Seems like Utards

Couldn't agree more.

And as for blowing smoke, trust me, they were on the bull, the old fart couldn't get on the bull. He could barely walk up an incline. Do you also believe any outfiter would share info about an elk of that proportion? And with that amount of $$$ at stake?

I am not taking anything from the elk, or the old shit that shot it. (He missed once). He paid for it, doyles posse stayed with it. I just don't agree, that it is fair chase! No one will convince me otherwise.

It is well known that there was a group of guys keeping "tabs" on this bull until the "man with the money" showed up. I don't really care for it but it was legal, so I can't take anything away from the hunter or bull. Just not the same to me as a guy going out and finding a bull himself and then hunting it down. But this is what we need to expect with all the "horn porn" prevalent in todays hunting world.

Horn Porn! I love it!

Posse hunting and Horn porn, hunting terms of the 21st century.

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Originally posted by MC:
This isn't just a Utah thing. This happens to some of the best mule deer in Colorado, elk in Arizona, animals in Nevada, etc. More Utah stories float on the web because some of the most popular hunting sites are based out of Utah.

Fire up the chute planes and lets go a huntin'.

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It is, by far, the worst in Utah. When you see this type of behavior in other states its normally done by Utards.

I have some wonderful friends that are from Utah and they realize how bad it is over there, they hate it! Go to prime wintering ground sometime in UT, CO, WY or ID when the deer and elk are dropping their antlers and look at the trucks parked along side the road, you'll see so many UT plates you'd think you were in Utah.

KUDU56 THats funny,I dont care who you are
Horn Porn &Posse hunting Glory bee

Whats the new21st. world comeing too>>>
It all started when they took the dimmer switch off the floor board and put it up at the turn signal on our trucks,ever notice that..Nothings ever been the same..Horn Porn..& Posse Hunting

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I have some wonderful friends that are from Utah and they realize how bad it is over there, they hate it! Go to prime wintering ground sometime in UT, CO, WY or ID when the deer and elk are dropping their antlers and look at the trucks parked along side the road, you'll see so many UT plates you'd think you were in Utah.

Wyoming tries every year to get some restrictions on antler hunting on wintering grounds, and it is met with stiff rejections. It is to bad, the worst time of year to bother wildlife. And I agree, in the south west corner of the state you would swear you are in Utah, my favorite elk area, which only issues about 100 tags, is dominated by nonresidents from Utah. All and all, they are good people but boy, when one comes, many follow!

Posse Hunting..

That's a cool painting.

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seems like these animals never get any rest, they are getting hammered year round these days

That is an understatement. I have no qualms with our G&F, they do an excellent job. But some times their hands are tied by rules and laws that have to wade through the legislative procedures. We have elk seasons that last from Sept. 1 until December31. THen you have the heart of the winter, and then antler hunters from late Jan. until May, and then throw in all the mineral exploration and development. Makes one wonder how we have any game.

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Originally posted by kudu56:
Wade Lemon knows the whole true story to the spidey bull.

I have no dog in this fight and have no first hand knowledge of what went on with this bull...but I seem to recall someone somewhere saying something about people in glass houses not throwing stones.

No beef with anyone, a grats goes out to getting a nice bull. However, I believe (not sure, might want to do some research to verify)The hunter was on the bull very early in the season and missed Spidey. Understand he got sick and went back home to Idaho? Then was called back and flew in the night before he killed Spidey? Again, have no beef or first hand knowledge, but I do remember reading about this bull and the hunter. Could have just been a load of BS?