The asshole who killed five people today used a weapon he checked as baggage. I wonder what this will mean for our rights to travel with firearms.

Obviously due to this one the Libs will push for no firearms at all to be allowed into airports!

Well, it should be put on TSA as they are the ones who are responsible for screening firearms in controlled areas.
I know every time I have flown with firearms, they were not returned at checked baggage but picked up at the TSA or Airline baggage office.

I fear that some airlines will stop allowing firearms as checked baggage. The only way to curb violence in the non secure areas of airports is to have a sufficient number of armed security guards, uniformed and plain clothes at all times.

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Originally posted by PhilR:
I fear that some airlines will stop allowing firearms as checked baggage. The only way to curb violence in the non secure areas of airports is to have a sufficient number of armed security guards, uniformed and plain clothes at all times.

The problem that this has brought forth is that the airports have always worked at protecting passengers once they are on the planes, and not before or after the flight takes place! The only way IMHO to remotely stop something like this is to have full screening BEFORE ANYONE enters an airport building and any weapon is removed from their possible use until they depart for the parking lots. Theoretically that would be the only place a shooting could take place. The way it's set up now was this accident waiting to happen!

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:
Well, it should be put on TSA as they are the ones who are responsible for screening firearms in controlled areas.
I know every time I have flown with firearms, they were not returned at checked baggage but picked up at the TSA or Airline baggage office.

He flew on Delta; they hand deliver checked firearms to you and you have show your ID to claim them. They are probably the most responsible when it comes to the handling of firearms. Unlike United, I have never had a firearm come off the luggage belt since they started this policy, which I believe is now the law.

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:

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Originally posted by PhilR:
I fear that some airlines will stop allowing firearms as checked baggage. The only way to curb violence in the non secure areas of airports is to have a sufficient number of armed security guards, uniformed and plain clothes at all times.

The problem that this has brought forth is that the airports have always worked at protecting passengers once they are on the planes, and not before or after the flight takes place! The only way IMHO to remotely stop something like this is to have full screening BEFORE ANYONE enters an airport building and any weapon is removed from their possible use until they depart for the parking lots. Theoretically that would be the only place a shooting could take place. The way it's set up now was this accident waiting to happen!

All it will do is move the point of contention further towards the public roads. Airports will continue to be a target-rich environment.
Firearms law treats symptoms instead of causes.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
He flew on Delta; they hand deliver checked firearms to you and you have show your ID to claim them. They are probably the most responsible when it comes to the handling of firearms. Unlike United, I have never had a firearm come off the luggage belt since they started this policy, which I believe is now the law.

That is generally the case with long guns that are packed in separate hard cases. In contrast, some guys pack their handguns in small cases ( which get the tags) in their normal luggage between clothing, etc. Even though it's declared and goes through TSA, the larger bag then goes through the normal baggage handling. One of my buddies from MD did this every year he came out to hunt javelina here.

That said, regardless of how he was given the handgun after landing, even if Delta made him sign for it he would still have been within the NON-SECURE baggage area and would still have had the ability to access the restroom and do what he did - unpack and load it.

As an aside, he could just as easily walked into the non-secure area at any airport, including Anchorage or Ft. Lauderdale, and killed people without ever getting on a plane.

The sad but true fact is no mater the laws or restrictions, there is no protection from somebody that wants to do harm.

Dave

He had been diagnosed with a mental disorder and his firearm taken away. Sorry...but if that happens it shouldn't be returned for a minimum of 3 years. This BS of protecting ONE person's "rights" to the detriment of everyone else is crap.

G

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Originally posted by GarBy:
He had been diagnosed with a mental disorder and his firearm taken away. Sorry...but if that happens it shouldn't be returned for a minimum of 3 years. This BS of protecting ONE person's "rights" to the detriment of everyone else is crap.

G

Where did you come up with 3 years?

Perry

I'm expecting travel with guns to even less enjoyable from this point onward.

Mark

The trump administration might use it get rid of gun free zones

I fly Delta on my trips to Montana.....at Kalispell Airport, my rifle case usually comes out with the regular baggage.

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Originally posted by PhilR:
I fly Delta on my trips to Montana.....at Kalispell Airport, my rifle case usually comes out with the regular baggage.

I've had the same experience at several smaller airports where they generally don't have separate manned secure areas, which often double for storing lost luggage that is awaiting pickup.

At least once, I've also had a baggage handler carry the case from the tarmac to the baggage area and just set it down on the floor next to the carousel.

And...here's the coolest one of all:

I flew into Kansas City, MO for a hunt. My regular bag arrived on the same flight, but my gun case got misdirected. They located it in another city, but it wouldn't arrive until the next day. The airline took all the info of where I would be based in southern Iowa and sent me on my way. It was a four-hour drive. Later the next day, a guy they hired pulled up and dropped off my gun case.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
The asshole who killed five people today used a weapon he checked as baggage. I wonder what this will mean for our rights to travel with firearms.

They will move quickly to sweep this under the rug.
This whole thing was absolutely "botched" by FBI, TSA and local Anchorage Police.
The guy was in trouble the entire year of 2016 and then on November 7th he walks into the FBI babbling about "terrorist thoughts" and left his infant son and pistol in the car, his pistol was taken and he was held for 3 days then was sent a letter on the 17th to pick up his pistol.
TSA could have stopped him as well, one way ticket, no luggage other than a gun case, come on WTF are these agencies doing anyways....

Phil:
Knowing a bit about Kalispell I'd be more surprised if they didn't have a range outside the front entrance!

That's hunting country up there. Beautiful too.

George