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I remember this thread with both Allen and Ray's posts like many of these. I too think its where you start. If youjust have one gun then the 300 is a good start. I had 270's so the next step was a 338 (after I had a couple of 300's I might add.) And from there the 416 so I had 150gr for small to medium, 250 grain for bigger, and the 400 gr for biggest. Of course a couple of the greatest hunters hunted all over with a 300 mag one gun or a 7mm and 375 2 gun.
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There are hunting rounds and then there are stoppers! I would say that the 338 and 300 would both be sufficient for bear under "hunting conditions". I would not want to use wither for a charging bear? I would consider a 375 H&H minimum for a stopper and go up from there preferably a 416 or bigger. These calibers were made for dangerous game. | |||
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300 wm-200grn bullets 338 wm-250 grn bullets 375 hh 300 grn bullets Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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I've owned and hunted with a .338 for nearly 20 years. Since I have enough ammo on hand to last another 40, you're not likely to get it away from me. That said, I'd probably have been just as satisfied with a .300 Mag. My .338 is a great rifle. I have absolute confidence in it. And since I practice with it, I can say with a certain amount of modesty that I shoot it fairly well. It also puts down fairly large game very authoritatively. Does it do so better than a .300 Mag in the hands of someone who knows how to use it? A little bit. Not enough to make any real difference. | |||
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The 338 will kick harder,drop more,drift more and cause more bad habits and at a faster pace. | |||
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All of the above is either untrue or irrelevant. 1. I can guarantee I can find some .300 mag rifle that kicks harder than my .338. 2. All bullets drop and drift. How much is largely irrelevant as long as you know what the rifle will do because you've shot it at the ranges you'll take shots at game. And under various wind conditions. Don't take shots at game that are beyond your ability with any rifle. 3. A .338 will absolutely not cause bad habits. That's just silly. Anybody who thinks so has disqualified him or herself from hunting dangerous African game as you're going to need to be able to shoot at least adequately with a far larger rifle than a .338 to satisfy the law. The original question was, if someone has a great .300 WM does that person actually need a .338 WM. I really like my .338 WM, but I'd have to answer no. Such a person does not need one. The .338 is also a very good round, though. If someone wants to push the idea that it can't make a reasonably long shot or that it will inflict bad habits upon the shooter, I'd suggest that says more about the individual advancing the idea than it does about the round. | |||
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1) Cite the lesser recoiling/better performing 338 load/rifle. That will be hilarious! 2) Not all chamberings are equal and the 338Win pales here,in direct comparison. 3) I've seen more human error induced ala 338Win in the field,than all other chamberings combined. You don't shoot much,do you?!!? | |||
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CFS, Think of it as a Double Dog Dare...and then some. | |||
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I shoot a lot. If you don't think I can locate some .300 mag that kicks more than my .338, you must not have gotten around much. Given the mania for light rifles there are a lot of monstrosities out there. I'm good with my .338 out to 300 yards. That's the farthest distance I practice with it. Actually, that's the farthest distance I practice with any rifle as I don't frequent any ranges where you can take a more distant shot. I'll have to take you at your word that you've seen more human error induced by the .338 than all other chamberings combined. I'm glad I didn't witness these events. Because nobody planted some sort of idea in my head that I should be afraid of my .338. Consequently I'm not. Nor am I afraid of my larger rifles, that kick harder and hit harder than that relatively comfortable rifle. Actually, in the grand scheme of things my larger rifles aren't all that large. The biggest bore I shoot is a .416. I know for a fact that there are people on these forums that shoot far bigger rifles. I'm sure some of them shoot more often than I do. I'm sure to them a .338 is probably less of a big deal to them than it is to me. Seriously, I don't get where you're coming from. It's just a medium bore rifle. I own one; I like it. But it's not that huge of a step up from a .300 WM. On the other hand, it's certainly not that difficult to shoot. | |||
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Didn't want you deleting your stupidity,as it rated a quote. Anywhoo...feel free to dispel Physics and the lineal associations pertaining to case capacity/projectile weight/rifle weight,as the influences upon recoil generated. Then correlate your rampant Fantasies via same,as to downrange ballistics as I PLAINLY mentioned prior. I savvy that you are none too bright,so give it another whirl. (That'd be another Double Dog Dare) | |||
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I'm bright enough to know a waste of time when I see one. You are, what? 12? I'm sure a .338 WM is just one thing on a long list of what you can't handle. Maybe when you grow up, that'll change. | |||
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In actuality sugartits,I shoot a Custom 338Ultra,because it has the case capacity requisite,to differentiate the 30/338 bore sizes. In fairness,it and the 210X melding replaced all my 375H&H's,both 375H&H Ackley Improved's and my 378. You whine magnificently...undoubtedly due to all those untold hours of practice. Congratulations?!!? | |||
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I have both, but I like them both for different reasons. My 338 is a fairly standard weight rifle M700 Stainless synthetic that wears a HS Precision stock with a merc -recoil reducer in the butt. Standard weight rifle, plus a little but weight, with a 3.5-10x42 Kahles in Talley light weight mounts. It's a .75-1.0 inch rifle with just about anything I shoot out of it. Even shoots bullets heavier than 250 well. My 300 is a M700 Police. It's a very heavy rifle, and wears a big 30mm Trijicon scope. It is a .5-.75 inch gun. But it doesn't like 190 grain plus bullets very much. | |||
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Hmm, I never thought of adding weight and mercury to my latest two 338 WMs. They both are 7.5 lbs scoped with three rounds loaded (Tikka T-3). Very light, easy to carry, and very accurate. The rifle jumps in one's hands a bit on firing, reminding one of just how light it is. It's very nice because one carries a rifle all day and the single little jump in the hands really means nothing. My 110 pound woman agrees, but she's new to this. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I have a 30-06 and a 300WM and will be buying a 338WM. Do I need one? No. Do I want one? Yes. I think I'll keep all three. 30-06 used for most hunting 300WM used if longer range shots are expected 338WM will be used if larger game is on the menu Why not have one of each? -------------------------------------------- National Rifle Association - Life Member National Wild Turkey Federation - Diamond Life Sponsor Pope & Young Club - Associate Member | |||
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I'd rather have a lightweight 7WSM as an all arounder...including Long Range. That being said,I horde as well. | |||
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HS is easily amongst the shittiest of handles going,for recoil management. While their barrels and DBM's are Skookum,they've yet to get a grip on their handles. Pun intended. | |||
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Stocks fit different people differently. I have never had a problem with an HSP. Monte Carlo stocks of any design don't work for me. Classics do, and thumbhole stocks do. But thumbholes have to be just right. Harry Lawson's thumbhole works well. | |||
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I'll take a Jim Cloward T-hole over Harry's. HS "ergo's" are akin to a roughcut 2"x4". | |||
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My .338 wearing an HS Precision is one of the finest shooting rifles I've ever shot and recoil is in my opinion negligible. Can't tell that the recoil is any worse or better than with the other three stocks the rifle has worn. I don't flinch. It's recoil has never blown me backwards against a wall or into a lake full of crocs and piranhas. Owning three .300wm rifles led me to the .338wm and I'll never look back. It's a rifle for pete's sake, and not a totalitarian expression of one's humanly worth. | |||
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Funny part is,you remain at the mercy of your "experience" and that of course remains THE point. | |||
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I never saw a Cloward thumbhole, his classic stock fit me well. I should have bought a couple of this rifles I could have when I was in Washington state. | |||
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I much prefer his Woodwork,to his Metalwork and the man can whittle a handle. | |||
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Makes sense to me.
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I think they both are appropriate for just about any hunting you are likely to do, short of the very biggest and baddest of game. | |||
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It does everything better.My question is why settle for a 300 Win.mag when you can buy a 338???? | |||
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I am looking forward to the year 2020 when we can once again see this tradition of dragging this thread out of the past every five years. | |||
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Wow this is a thread resurrection. 5 years down then btt.  -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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In direct answer to the question the 300Win Mag cannot make 338 diameter entrance holes.. And last I checked there is no such thing as a 275gr bullet made for the 30 cal If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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A family friend and former elk guide from Montana said he personally preferred the 338 Win Mag for elk hunting where grizzly bear might be present. At the same time, he said he would not feel under-gunned with a 300 Win Mag using 180 or 200 grain premium bullets. I really like the long range capability of both calibers but, I went with a 9.3x62 for those few times I might need something bigger than my 300 Win Mag. Most folks don't hunt bear at long range. Start young, hunt hard, and enjoy God's bounty. | |||
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Biggs300 - And that's really along the lines of what I was thinking. If hunting long range, then go magnum. For me, this discusion is really about whether to use a .30 caliber or a .338. | |||
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Wow; talk about resuscitating a dead thread  Anyways: stoppin'=458; huntin'=375  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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With today's bullets, there is absolutely nothing the 300 cannot do that the 338 can. In fact, if it was legal to hunt the dangerous game of Africa with a 300, I would be very happy to do so, and leave my 375 at home. A 200 grain Walterhog bullet will kill anything that walks on this earth. | |||
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Not only that, but this thread first appeared Jul 2005, died in Dec 2005, only to be resurrected five years later in Jul 2010 by Canadian Lefty. Then five years later Hunter 54 brings it back. | |||
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And yet the advantages of hunting with one gun for everything brings you back to Africa with a 375, not two rifles for different animals. And the old adage is still true, "Diameter counts." Even with great bullets and maintaining a 2800fps hunting trajectory, the 375 is a bit more than 338, which is a little bit more than 300, which is a little bit more than 7mm, which is a little bit more than .257, which is a little bit more than .224 (though the .224 might need 100-grain bullets and fast twists). +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I haven't jump into this yet I own both. It seems obvious I have the answer to the question. I don't know how all of you have missed it. The 300WM shoots .308 dia. bullets and the 338WM shoots .338 dia. bullets. Other than that all the critters I shot with one or the other has died. | |||
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The 300wm can not shoot .338 dia. bullets | |||
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Saeed is correct - the 300 WM and 338 WM are ~twins in their performance. Get on QL and compare the two - hardly any difference. In fact, with the new LR Accubond one can argue that the 300 WM surpases the 338 WM after 100 yds. But soon I bet there will be 225 gr LR 338 bullet...then still a wash. | |||
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