I will attempt to link to a site from todays Idaho Spokesman paper.
There is an article regarding Idahos largest Wolf pack just being exterminated by Federal Agents. This was done after the Wolves were into their second year of killing domestic sheep and other stock. This pack was responsible for killing more than 100 Sheep even while herders tried to scare them away with guard dogs, flash shells, firecrackers and shotguns! He-he!
Who knows how many Deer, Elk, Bighorn Sheep, Moose and other head of Big Game they also killed in the McCall, Idaho area since their recent re-introduction?
Apparently some Wolves in Idaho have been killing domestic livestock as far south as Twin Falls, Idaho! Look that up in your atlas's you folks in Utah and Nevada! Twin Falls is a LONG way from the Yellowstone Ecosystem!
I have read other recent reports that list the present population of Wolves in the Montana, Idaho and Wyoming at 700+! This number and the number listed in this news article are both far beyond what the Long Island and Berkely bunny huggers even wanted!
Big Game populations are now or soon will be suffering in the near future.
Write your representatives and let them know how you would rather have Big Game to Hunt as opposed to more restrictions on numbers of Hunters and tags due to Wolf predation.
And for you few who still blindly donate to the rmef please reconsider! They are doing more harm than good in this Wolf situation! The next time any of you rmef types get a renewal or solicitation from the greenies at the rmef please insert a copy of this article in the return envelope and see if you can get a response from them regarding those cute cuddly little Elk eating darlings of the tree hugging obstructionists!

http://www.idahostatesman.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040722/FRONTPAGE/40722003

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VarmintGuy

Hey that is great news! I guess it is a start!

This put a smile on my face!

I suspect the domestic sheep may be more of a threat to the bighorn populations than are the wolves so the wolves may have been doing the bighorns a favor! Eventually, wolves may well be eliminated along with most other predators and, indeed, many big game species and we will be poorer for it. Regards, Bill.

What really chaps my butt is that my tax money was used to pay to kill the da## things. How much money could we have generated, instead, by selling depredation tags? I'd have ponied up a few bucks to be allowed to call one in. A wolf rug would look really good in my cabin.

Never forget that the goal of the introduction was to get livestock off the allotments. It's working..... JMO, Dutch.

What a shame

Personally I don't think they have a fuggn clue how many wolves there are... I would bet that the numbers they give are about half of what the population really is! Hell they killed 7 last year on my grandparents property that were part of a "previously" unkown pack! Unknown to who? My parents and grand parnents knew they were there for over a year...

Why do you think the RMEF stand behind the wolves?

Ivan, time to knock off the bull. The RMEF has nothing to do with the wolves, and never had anything to do with the wolf introduction. The ONLY position the RMEF has is that it supports state management of wolves as big game animals.

Just because an organization is busy actually doing something, and doesn't get into every polital fray seems to be a impossible concept for some to grasp.

The RMEF does habitat, not politics. 97% of it's members are hunters. Some of them think wolves can fit in, some of them don't. Not one member, not one staff member, not one board member I have spoken to thought the wolf introduction was a good thing. Some were content that the wolves were re-introducing themselves, most thought that should be stopped as well. None of it has anything to do with habitat, so it was never part of the RMEF agenda. Private opinions that the RMEF never acted on. Period, end of story.

The truth of the matter, however, is that if the morons in Wyoming had gotten their crap together, Idaho would have had control of the wolf management at least two years ago. Instead, the cry-babies and know-it-alls have railroaded the recovery process so badly that we are still saddled with the bloody Feds telling us we can't shoot a #@#%#@Q$ wolf. Thanks fellas ! You've been a great help . Blame the RMEF! Blame Canada! Blame everyone but yourself! Dutch.

Wolves have their place just like anything but if they are out of balance then they need a hunting season just like Elk or Deer plain and simple. You just cannot kill every Wolf, Mt Lion, or Brown Bear because they eat Elk and Deer if they are out of balance that is another story.

Very well stated, Dutch, and very correct! Right on the money, contrary to one of our posters warped, misdirected opinion.

I would like to kill a wolf. I'm with Dutch on the whole wolf rug thing.

I remember when the whole wolf re-introduction crap started some years back. Sam Donaldson, who you all know, owns a big ranch in NM. He said infatically (spelling) that if he saw ANY wolf on his ranch, it would be dead real soon, because he would shoot it. Regardless of the law. Pretty intense statement for a well known anchor man.

Doc, I wouldn't put too much stock in anything Sam "I'd Cower Under The Bed" Donaldson said about "shooting wolves," or shooting anything else, for that matter.

Over the many years he's been vomiting his extremely left wing bias on ABC, he's made it very plain he wants our (the worker peasants') firearms confiscated and hunting banned and has crusaded for same. Now perhaps, as all super left wing liberal hypocrites, he would have his underling ranch manager -- if he's found a new one -- "exterminate" a wolf, but good ol' Sam "I'd Cower Under The Bed" Donaldson wouldn't stoop to foul his hands with an evil gun.

As for Idaho's wolves, just set a season!! I'll buy a tag as soon as I can get to the sporting goods store!

L.W.

Wow! This Sam Donaldson seems to be rather well known by some, maybe not liked, but I for one have no clue who he might be. What am I missing out on by not knowing him? A little help, please?

Unfortunately most hunters are prejudiced against all large predators because they compete directly with them for game. Biologists know that large predators are essential to the health of any ecosystem and wolves, in controlled populations, are very important to the health of the game populations in many parts of North America. I dont disagree with putting down a pack because it is known to kill livestock, in some cases it may be necessary. Wolves are predators and they will usually stalk and kill wild animals before they resort to killing livestock. In fact there have been FEWER reports of livestock being killed in and around yellowstone than were expected after the reintroduction of wolves to that system. I live in North Dakota and if you live near here or do any research you will find that deer populations and coyote populations are out of control. There are now 4 deer liscences available for residents, increased from 3 last year, and they populations are still growing. Wolves have a much larger range than coyotes and they will not share territory with coyotes. They will chase down and kill coyotes whenever possible. Coyotes are much more opportunistic and less wary than wolves. Coyotes have a much larger population density than wolves. In the amount of space that it takes to support one wolf, you may have 10 coyotes living. In our system it would be preferable to have some wolves killing a few deer to have many coyotes killing whatever they come across. I think that states should be allowed to mananage wolf populations in areas where they are firmly reestablished, until then they should be protected. I look forward to hearing others opinions but please dont lecture me about the myth that wolves are horrible creatures that will kill all the large game in the US. That is simply not true! BTW I dont 'LOVE' wolves, but I do understand that they are a native species, which have a right to exist in our spacious country, and can coexist with hunters and ranchers if they are properly managed.

Here's a picture of Mr. "Hairpiece"...







Here's his Bio.



Even forgeting his leftwing bent, I never could stand him. He always seemed like a total idiot with a firm grasp of the obvious. I don't know how he rose so high or kept his job. Excrement floats I guess...





-Steve

Ahhh, I believe that explains why I don't know who he is--I don't now and never have had a TV.

DUTCH DUTCH DUTCH, you poor misguided soul!



RMEF has publicly stated wolves are good for the eco system and in the beginning they publicly stated they supported the reintorduction. As well, they carried several pro wolf warm and fuzzy stories.



The wolves released were not native, they are Canadian Grey wolves. THey are different and it has been proven via DNA!





The fact is, the wolves were introduced into a smorgasboard of wild game, they are and have, FAR exceded all of the F&W expectations. The Wyo G&F have said they believe the number claimed by F&w is about 2/3 of the actual numbers.

Fact, some elk and moose tags, in some areas have been reduced becuase of depredation by wolves. Wolves "HAVE" significantly reduced elk numbers in NW Wyoming. The warm and fuzzies and F&W blame the drought as eqaully as the wolves. But the same drought exists through out WYoming and in non-wolf areas(if there are any) elk numbers are increasing not decreasing.



So if you think the wolves that were illegaly introduced are not affecting big game numbers then you are full of brown doo doo! And yes the RMEF fully supports and encourages the wolf program. And why any outfitter would support such an organization puzzles the shit out of me!



Now with the wolf running rampant, the drought, the current lawsuit in Arizona(regarding non-residents and residents tags), hunting has and will change in ways you have never seen.



I don't hate wolves, I do beleive they have a place in a controlled enviroment. This is 2004 not 1804. Times have changed and with people moving and building all over the wild places, there isn't going to be room for all of us. And the ranchers and hunters will be the first to go.

Remember recently when all the stuff was on TV after Ron Reagan died?

Sam Donaldson was on a show and was explaining one of his first interviews at a conference shortyly after Reagan took office. From what I REMEMBER, Donaldson stood up, directed a question at Pres. Reagan, stating: "Mr. President, don't you feel some responsibility for the countries current state of affairs? don't you think you bear some of the burden of the current chaos? dont' you think that, surely, some of this is indeed your fault?

President Reagan spouted off without a missed beat, "Of course, Sam, I USED TO BE A DEMOCRAT."

That was the end of the interview.

Sorry I brought it up, but I do remember Sam saying that crap on TV about shooting a wolf on his ranch. True or not.

"The truth of the matter, however, is that if the morons in Wyoming had gotten their crap together, Idaho would have had control of the wolf management at least two years ago. Instead, the cry-babies and know-it-alls have railroaded the recovery process so badly that we are still saddled with the bloody Feds telling us we can't shoot a #@#%#@Q$ wolf."


I have to call bullshit on that one also , Dutch . If you look at the past record , for instance Minnesota , you have had the stated wolf population recovery goal met around 20 years ago (instead of 2) , and still no de-listing , still no state management , and still no wolf hunting.


I applaud Wyoming for at least attempting to send a message to the Feds , and you are dreaming if you think the Feds are going to let you shoot any of their precious wolves anytime soon , reguardless of how much your state might kiss their feet...

Wyoming was fucked from the start with yellowstone park. Without the park the feds wouldn't have had a foothold and both the state and feds were publicly denying wolves exsisted in the park prior to reintroduction.



Hell they can't even get a good kill on nonendangered buffalo in the park,dream on if you think wolves are going to be differant. The feds have the right guy leading their program. He's a prowolf sierra club/peta card carrying asshole.

Varmit guy-After living and working for the last 40 years in Valley County Idaho aka McCall and Cascade I know every rancher down there.Went to school with one of the largest Ranchers in Valley County and have worked and had a beer with most of the rest.Believe me I would suspect alot of Idaho's Motto must have went on before this(Shoot Shovel and Shut-up)No nonsense guys that have my respect.The Idaho Statesman leaves alot to be desired in actual happenings but if that happened it's OK by me.

Wolf lovers ought to visit these remote fellas that shoot or hit first without question and with a reason.McCall has changed and my next door neighbor in McCall had the job from the Forest Service(Not Fish and Game) with our tax dollars to study them that were already there in the Yellowpine area.What a farce and waste.I was there in there so-called poisening trial and some shots were fired for sure and things got poisened that should not have.

My only advice to the Wolf lovers is to visit with the ones loosing there income and voice your pro Wolf opinion.I've seen every one of them fight and not one would hesitate to hit first and ask questions later.

Jayco.

Furor: Wolves ARE horrible creatures when they are decimating the Elk, Deer and Bighorn populations! Yes Wolves are horrible creatures when their predations are destroying the treasured Big Game herds that we sportsmen and some state agencies have worked so long and hard to nurture! Yes Wolves are horrible creatures when they are so way over populated!

I could go on and on with this lecture but if you are so closed minded that you feel the exploding Wolf population (estimated recently at 700 animals in the 3 state area) when the feds only wanted 300 - 325 then keep your mind closed! And keep your mind closed when they start diminishing the human Hunting opportunities in your favorite spots! Like they have here in Montana in many places!

Perhaps this repetition will seep into your closed mind (and please do not take offense at my lecturing tone!) perhaps you are just unaware!

There are major areas in the huge region called SW Montana where the Elk herds have been preyed upon so heavily by the Wolves that the calf Elk counts are as low as 8 - 11 calves per 100 cow Elk! Now the Elk need 33 - 34 calves per 100 Elk each year just to sustain their herds or grow slowly. In recent decades (before your buddies the Wolves were re-introduced!) the normal herds around here had a calf to cow Elk ratio of 45 - 50 per 100! Do you notice any difference here Furor? Consider this a lecture buddy, your head in the happy sand attitude regarding the Wolves is simply non-sensical!

The feds promised us only 300 - 325 of these predators - so be it. I do not want or have ever professed that every Wolf should be killed! But now we have at least 400 and some experts state 700 Wolves in the area! And Hunting opportunities are being lost and livestock predation by Wolves is commonplace!

Maybe this mini-lecture will creep into your mentality? Each Wolf will eat the bio-mass of 1.2 Elk per month! Whether that is Chipmunks, Mice, Deer, Coyotes, Bighorn Sheep, Elk, Moose or what ever - the Wolves are gonna eat a lot of meat per year! Lets round that off to 12 Elk a year! 700 times 12 equals 8,400 Elk! Hmm... no wonder they are diminishing the tag opportunities in many areas of Montana for Elk, Bighorns and Moose! I hope you do not mind the lecture - on second thought Furor I do not care if you mind the lecture! Buddy you need one! How long does your happy thoughted mind think we can sustain loosing that many Elk (and other Big Game Animals) per year? These numbers do not reflect the Big Game Animals that perish each winter due to the additional stress heaped upon them by the Wolves that run them in the harshest of conditions but do not outright kill them then! Furor - I have seen Wolves chasing Big Game! Its not a walk in the park! The Wolves also DO KILL Game and do so wantonly without intent to eat all they kill! Let me repeat - they do not consume all the Big Game they kill! As an example I will relay an incident that took place not far south of my home. The F&G Biologists were doing an aerial survey in a large valley, of the Elk wintering there. The F&G people observed a pack of 4 Wolves kill 7 Bighorn Sheep (including 3 Rams!) and only ended up eating off of one of them before moving on! The next time you feel happy words forming in your mind regarding Wolves remember this incident and "thank them" for killing only what they could eat! Sounds absurd doesn't it! Well that is how absurd your comments are to those of us that are trying to warn the Hunting community about what IS going on in overpopulated with Wolves country!

I also do not agree at all with your apples to oranges comparison with the Coyotes and the Wolves!

The Wolves are much more likely to be succesful on killing Bighorns, Deer, Elk and Moose it is simply just so! Our Game Herds were growing and sustaining just fine in most all areas of the Rocky Mountains even with high numbers of Coyotes in those areas!

Not so now with the exploding Wolf populations! And do not be fooled into analyzing the calf to cow Elk ratios as indicating the Wolves only kill the young of the year. We have photos of Wolves just wading into the Blacktail Game Range wintering Elk herd and killing adults at will! The ratio is just indicating the calf to cow ratios are being decimated by Wolves as the biologists can easily count the calf to cow ratios from planes or from afar. The herds are diminishing in every population group (cows, calves and bulls) in areas where the Wolves have taken hold!

You call it prejudice that is a typical "greenie" buzz word! Be green if you wish but get your head out of the sand and see what is going on with game herds that were enhanced by decades of hard work and money spent by sportsmen! If you do not value the wonderful Big Game herds we have propogated over the recent decades and the Hunting opportunities they provide then what are you doing in this forum?

Defend the Wolves if you want and their "less than expected" predation in the Yellowstone Ecosystem if you believe that (frankly I do not!)! But again do not try and dissuade those of us that live in amongst these predators and see the results of their predations on our game herds! They are real and they are affecting the Hunting and the economy in many areas!

And by the way your out of touch with reality view that the Wolves will get along just fine with the game herds is simply laughable Furor! Along with your uninformed and blatantly outrageous assertion that the Wolves are being "managed" properly! 700 where they wanted 325! Duhhh...!

They have been OVER the population prescribed by the USFWS for at least 2 years now and no "management" in sight! Just diminishing Big Game herds! If that is your view of proper management and lets all get along and be happy and warm and fuzzy feelings will surely follow - then Furor YOU NEED A LECTURE! Consider this a start! I will not hesitate to provide said lecture to you or any other "person" that professes such outlandish balderdash!

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VarmintGuy

Great post varmitguy! There is a grass roots effort here in Wyoming that is supported by hunters, livestock producers, and a few outfitters that have raised enough funds to sue the feds over the wolf issue. Also the state is in the process of doing the same. I am sure all will be to no avail but it is nice to see some one putting up a fight. And using the same tactic the warm and fuzzys have used for years.

Hi Varmint Guy,

You are right on the button with the wanton killing by wolves. I have a friend that flies game surveys for the Alaska Fish&Game that has witnessed this first hand. He says when the Caribou are really heavy with calf that they can't outrun the wolves and the wolves just slaughter them
just to be killing them. I rweally hated to see the wolves brought back to the lower 48.

Hawkeye47

I guess you misread my post, you might want to go back and reread it a few times. I dont think I mentioned anything about letting populations run out of control. Im pretty sure I said that nusiance animals and even in some cases whole packs may have to be put down. Im pretty sure I said that once populations have grown to a safe level states should be allowed to manage wolf populations which would be done through a controlled hunting season I suppose.

BTW many things are "horrible" when allowed to run rampant. Please dont make people think that the animals are at fault when many times it has to do with the people managing their populations and nothing to do with the animals themselves.

Obviously wolves will kill some game animals that otherwise might be taken by hunters. Do you really think that hunters are the only animals on the planet that have a right to harvest wild game? Sure I like to hunt, I like to reload, I like to eat game that I kill, but I also think that other amimals have a right to live in their native habitat without the risk of being hunted to extinction. Your opinion on this subject seems very selfish. We share with bear, we share with large cats, why cant we share with wolves?


We may have to agree to disagree on this one.

Kudu56: Could you provide us with the address or name of that grass roots organization (or pass along my E-mail address to them?) so I can contribute to them?
Thanks in advance for assistance in this regard.
More later
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VarmintGuy

Furor: I am especially proud to "SELFISHLY" try and protect the Big Game Herds here in the U.S.A., that so many of us have worked so hard and given so much money to propogate! In your pathetic naivete (naivete means simple and unsophisticated thinking!) do you think the Big Game Herds have just magically reappeared and swollen to their recent numbers without the help of Hunters?
Or do you think the Wolves will start up a benevolent association that would somehow maintain or increase the Big Game Herds numbers?
You make no sense at all man!
The Wolves are now and have been OVER-POPULATED and they are depleting the Big Game Herds in many areas and your thinking warm and fuzzy thoughts does not change that! Reality, when it is in direct opposition to your myopic views, may be a hard thing to understand or agree with but your false views are impossible to understand or agree with.
Yes I gladly and wholeheartidly agree I am being SELFISH in the matter of Wolves decimating our Game Herds! I want to keep on Hunting and watching over healthy herds of Big Game in the Rocky Mountains! I do not consider my selfishness in this situation to be a sin - quite the contrary I bear that label with pride! And I want my grandkids (and your grandkids!) to be able to Hunt the Elk, Moose, Deer and Bighorns in the future. Call me selfish if you wish but you also must open your eyes and call me correct and concerned regarding the Wolves in the Rocky Mountains!
And I will not hesitate to correct you again in your misguided assertion that I wish every Wolf and predator be wiped out! And that I alone will be the only entity allowed to harvest from the Big Game Herds we have worked so hard to propigate! I have never said that - I do not want that - and I do not think that would be best for the Game!
Furor do not try and put words in my mouth! You do not have enough horsepower to even try to get away with that! I simply won't let you miss-speak on my behalf! Don't try that again!
If you want to espouse "green" leanings like you have I will critique them and tear them apart as I have done. That is your choice to endure! But do not start an argument against what ever delusion you have had regarding what YOU THINK I might stand for. I will tell you what I stand for!
And I stand for getting immediate control of these Wolves here in the Rocky Mountains! They are way to numerous and are decimating certain game herds and cutting into human Hunting opportunities! Selfish? Yes, indeed, AND RIGHTEOUS!
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VarmintGuy

fortunately being loud doesnt make you right. I guess you still havent read my original post. I never said one thing about wolves being allowed to decimate large game herds. I said that I think, if properly managed they have a right to live in their native environments. Im sure you will make some more loud noise about this and tell me how stupid I am. Im guessing anyone who agrees with me will be scared to post due to people like you tryin to control through intimidation.

BTW I appreciate the personal attacks, shows what a class act you are. Keep them comming.

I live in the ND where we currently have an abundance of large game but seem unable to control local coyote populations. Due to the fact that wolves will seldom allow coyotes in their territory and the fact that they have a much larger territory than coyotes do, I think that a reintroduction would be an interesting experiment. From what I have read it seems that wolves native range covers a majority of the US. I dont think that wolves should be allowed take over our country but I definately see no problem allowing them to live in our large national parks as long as their populations are controlled with an effort at maintainging a healthy balance between predators and prey while keeping hunters interests in mind.

Furer=Troll. Wolves were introduced by Democrats against the will of the people in Wyoming to reduce game herds and smaller opportunity means less interest means less hunting which makes greenies happy. The Muddy Feedgrounds where many elk wintered have turned into a wolf feedground to the point the elk can't use the area as they are too easy a prey in the high snow, especially yearlings.

furor: If you are intimidated by a few type written words on a computer then you are a PUSSY! Don't transpose that fact into suggesting that others are PUSSIES also! You are the pussy but I am glad to see I have straightened out your thinking and you have come around significantly closer to the correct way of thinking regarding Wolves!
Now if you would just go back and delete some of the ridiculous things you have espoused in your previous postings. I have heard many stupid things spoken and seen many stupid things done by folks from the Dakotas (tom daschle for instance!) but I do not condemn all Dakotans!
It is an encouraging sign that you can be convinced when overwhelmed with facts and on scene observations! Being convinced is not a stupid attribute it is a positive attribute.
Now reconsider espousing your sweeping and ridiculous views regarding the Wolves when people in the midst of the situation are trying to save the Big Game Herds that ARE threatened and ARE being decimated.
Can you say that furor? Some Big Game Herds are being decimated by re-introduced Wolves!
Providing proof and first hand observations to bolster my views may be considered "intimidation" by some people but to me I would want to thank someone willing to try and help save our hard fought for Big Game Herds!
Hmm.... me thinks you are still a strange person furor! But again your latest posting is encouraging to me somewhat.
By the way I could care less WHAT you appreciate furor! You do not impress me one bit with your wishy washy, happy word, naive, ridiculous and uninformed reasoning! Call that personal attacks I call it the truth! If you can't handle the truth that is your shortcoming (an additional shortcoming by the way!).
I am not being loud furor I am being truthful and presenting facts any of which you are free to dispute. But you can't! So I will continue professing my ideas and ideals and if you wish to refute them try and do so. But be careful as I am knowledgeable of which I speak! And I WILL refute any untruths you may continue to espouse! Make no mistake about that!
This situation with the overabundance of Big Game killing Wolves goes far beyond your ego! It is about 20 million times more important in my estimation! You just keep espousing the "greenies" propaganda and see what that gets you! Nothing good will come from espousing the greenies propaganda except if they win more court battles and influence more governmental agencies policies YOU will lose Hunting opportunities! Mark my words down on that one furor I have seen it happen many times before!
Again I am glad "something" or "someone" is able to influence you with facts!
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VarmintGuy

I have heard that wolves are smart and hard to kill, yet in the Idaho newspaper mentioned earlier in this discussion it says the government killed 9 in one pack and 3 in another. How do they kill a whole pack ?

THey probably shot them from the air. They killed one about 35 miles west of here out of a helicopter. It was killing cattle on the ranch that I elk hunt on. They are easy to get from a chopper I am sure,.



Furor, North Dakota, answers all the questions!

Yep, KUDU is correct. The F&W dudes killed the wolves from a chopper, up near McCall, Idaho. Now, only about ten more packs to go in Idaho.

I say, put a season on the wolves. I'll be first in line to buy a tag(s).

L.W.

VarmintGuy, you have some good points but I think that you rant so hard that you sometimes fail to read completely and analyze all the facts and/or information. And one thing I do disagree with you on is that I think ALL wolves should be eradicated in the lower 48, not leaving a remenant population. But the big area where you are mistaken is taking your ire out on the RMEF. They aren't perfect, to be sure, but they are not wolf supporters--they advocate a controlled population, which as I have said, I don't--and they have done more for elk (and other game animals) than any of the rest of us could ever think of doing alone. You basically advocate throughing the baby out with the wash water.

The casper star tribune had a good article on the wolf several days ago. Basically a judge is ruling that the state of wyoming can't sue the feds over the wolf or their ban on managing the wolf at the state level.

Another interesting point,is that alot of the management plan has been rejected since its not politically correct. The feds were concerned that eastern judges wouldn't like the wording "predator" to describe and define wolves and as a result wouldn't accept the plan based on that alone.

This is where we are,some out of state cocksucker can't accept a fifth grade science class term,such as predator.

Even the wolf coalition can't proceed with thier lawsuit after what this judge said. Ed Bangs was pretty spry and cocky on Colorado TV when he made that announcement. Where you can't sue the feds. So maybe they should sue Ed Bangs and his butt buddy Mike Jemenez! After all it is Ed's word that drives the recovery program.

Arts,



If WY ever gets its management plan straightened out, the delisting and state control shouldn't be too far behind. As it now stands, the game department and legislature are on different pages, thus some of the wording in the plan came into play. -TONY

Considering that the feds give millions of dollars in grants and funding to the WYGF every year. There won't be any accepted method of wolf control any time soon. Its just another case of the feds holding money over the heads of the state. State officials being elected have an obligation to appease the public and these management plans are just more rhetoric.





The feds definately picked a good asshole in Ed Bangs. This douche bag does believe in the wolf and openly hates ranching and hunting in the yellowstone region. This isn't just a job for this fucker.