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.218 Bee
.30-40 Krag
.358 Norma
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I have been shooting a 264 Win Mag for 40 years. I have taken Bear,and Pronghorn to Elk here in The States.Ibex and Leopard abroad with it. The 264 Win Mag cleanly Kills everything!!!
 
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The original 35 Ackley Magnum was developed in 1939 and was based on the Ackley short 30 Magnum No. 1 necked up to 35 caliber. Later the Ackley short 30 Magnum No. 2 was developed to make possible the rechambering of 30-06 rifles without setting back the barrel. The second 30 Magnum case was necked up to 35 caliber in 1946, and the older case discarded. It is this second version that has become standard and is listed here. In 1959 Norma introduced their 358 Magnum, which for all practical purposes is identical to the 35 Ackley Magnum. There is also an Ackley improved 35 Magnum which has a case length of 2.85 inches, based on the blown out 300 H&H Magnum.

The 35 Ackley Magnum is representative of the 35 short, belted Magnum group, so named because they are based on a shortened case that will work through the standard length action. These cartridges will all deliver ballistics equal to the 375 H&H Magnum, but don't require a special magnum length action or magazine. There are a number of very similar versions, such as the Mashburn 350 Short Magnum, or the Barnes 358 B-J Express and so on. They are all so similar that loading data for one can be safely used for the other, and there is little use in listing all of them individually. P.O. Ackley believes a 35 short magnum is the best and most efficient of the 35 magnums, regardless of who's version it may be. Cartridges in this class are all more than adequate for any North American big game and, with proper bullets, just about any African or Asiatic game as well. Their performance is parallel to the proven 375 H&H Magnum. The Norma version has the advantage of being available on a commercial basis.

Here is the loading data from Ackley's book:
Bullet Powder / (grs.) MV ME Source
200 SP IMR3031 / 64.0 3130 4365 P.O. Ackley
220 SP IMR4064 / 76.0 3040 4540 P.O. Ackley
250 SP IMR4350 / 63.0 2750 4210 P.O. Ackley
275 SP IMR4895 / 69.0 2760 4665 P.O. Ackley
300 SP IMR4350 / 73.0 2655 4710 P.O. Ackley

I do not vouch for any of these loads being safe, by the way. They're from a 1946 loading data source. USE ANY OF THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK.


Thank you so very much. It sounds similar to the 358 Norma as stated in your post.

I knew about the 358 GandH and so voted for it.

The 358 Ackley Improved 35 Magnum sounds a lot like the 358 STA which was my second vote. There is truly nothing new.

The 338 and 375 really kept these great true all round Medium magnu, 35s from taking there rightful place.
 
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8 mm Remington Magnun
300 H&H
264 Win Mag
300 Savage
32-40
222 Remington
22 High power
And probably a few more


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My obscure calibers would be a couple of .358 STA's, both on Model 70 actions. I also shoot a Thompson Center pistol in 7mm BR caliber that is the only one I have encountered. With a 2.5X8 power Burris scope it does very well in the accuraacy department. Good Shooting.


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8 mm Remington Magnun
300 H&H
264 Win Mag
300 Savage
32-40
222 Remington
22 High power
And probably a few more

The .222 Remington is obscure? At last count I think I owned nine of them and every varmint hunter I know has at least one or two. And although its reign has passed, it was once by far the most popular caliber on the benchrest circuit.
 
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Win mdl 43 .218 Bee
.32spl
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The 300 savage, a very potent and mild cartridge. My deer rifle is a 7x57.
 
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8 mm Remington Magnun
300 H&H
264 Win Mag
300 Savage
32-40
222 Remington
22 High power
And probably a few more


I have always thought the 8mm Remington Magnum was a perfect cartridge.

Kind of in the middle between the 300 Weatherby and 340 Weatherby, too bad it was underloaded and the bullet selection stinks.

I have had a couple of 8x68S rifles pass through my hands but I have never fired a shot.
 
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376 steyr, I agree, it's hard to beat a 7X57. I started all my sons on that calibre.


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20 Practical is my new favorite round followed closely by the 6.5 x 280AI.
Obscure only because they're wildcats but yet they're super easy to form (from the parent case), turn, load and shoot. So fun!

Yes, what a great thread and I've really enjoyed all the posts. Thanks!

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Like many of you I like the odd, unusual and obscure. On the small end I like the 218 Bee, 222 and 17 Remington. My 6mmx222 is a favorite as well. My W.R. Pape 6.5x53R is not one to be found every day.

The 30-40 Krag, 35 Whelen and 300 H&H, while not exactly obscure, certainly are not mainstream. All three reside in my safe. I'm quite fond of my little 1908 Mannlicher in 8x56 and my Husky 9.3x57. And my 400 Whelen will remain my favorite big game round of all time.

I doubt you'll get more obscure in handguns than the 401 Powermag. Wonderful revolver round in a strong and well made gun, albeit a bit ungainly looking. I sure enjoy shooting it and loading for it. It's slightly bigger brother the 41 Magnum has long been my favorite revolver round. The 480 runs a close second and the 500 Linebaugh is neck and neck with the 480. Another obscure revolver round, the 357 Maximum, while not my favorite, is sure fun to shoot.

In keeping with my love of the non standard, I shoot a 16 and 28 gauge for upland birds and recently started playing with a 24 gauge.


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500 Rafiki
 
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I have a Winchester 1890 gallery pump rifle manufactured in 1931 in 22 long only, with a beautiful octagonal barrel, crescent shaped butt stock and buckhorn sights. Very accurate little rifle!
 
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I previously chose the .225 Win.

I'd like to add the 8X57mm Mauser as one of my favorites.

When I was growing up, surplus military 8X57s were abundant and I acquired a sporterized Mod. 98. I have very fond memories of it.

Seems like that old cartridge, old stalwart that it was, has all but disappeared.
 
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I like my 7 by 30 Waters.
 
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If you have a copy of PO Ackley's reloading manual form the 1950's there is a round in there that always facinated me... the eargesplitten loudenboomer If i remember it was either a 22/50BMG or maybe a 30/50BMG.. I can't find my copy of the manual, but if i recall they were getting velocities of over 5,000 FPS


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I previously chose the .225 Win.

I'd like to add the 8X57mm Mauser as one of my favorites.

When I was growing up, surplus military 8X57s were abundant and I acquired a sporterized Mod. 98. I have very fond memories of it.

Seems like that old cartridge, old stalwart that it was, has all but disappeared.


The 8x57IS is one of the 5 most popular big game rifle cartridges in Germany. It is also very popular in the Czech Republic and I think it is popular in Poland as well. The Eastern Europeans rifles are normally chambered to the .318 JS bullet instead of with the .323 IS bullet.

That list of the 5 post popular big game cartridges in Germany is: 308, 30-06, 8x57, 7x64 and 9.3x62. Every gun shop has these. And Frankonia pretty much only orders these 5 calibers of rifles in most rifle models. There is a small amount of expansion, but not a ton.

Primarily this is because most Germans are not interested in handloading.

The Austrians on the other hand are well into handloading, and other strange things like the 6,5x68, 8x68, 9.3x64, 7x66 VH among others are more popular.

The Swiss like the 7x64, magnum 7mm and .300 cals, and of course love the 7.5x55 and 10.3x60R.
 
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In the modern era I’d have to go with my 7mm SAUM. Or the WSSM’s. In the classic era, 300 H&H.

Neither of those are really obscure but they sure are uncommon. I mean, how often do you see SAUM ammo on a shelf somewhere?


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7-30 Waters and 307 Winchester.
 
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470 Capstick


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While not obscure, my 257 weatherby has been my go to rifle for everything even bull elk in Wyoming.
 
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While not obscure, my 257 weatherby has been my go to rifle for everything even bull elk in Wyoming.


You know our fellow Wyomingite Bob Milek was a fan of the 25-06 for elk.

Never tried that myself.
 
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If you have a copy of PO Ackley's reloading manual form the 1950's there is a round in there that always facinated me... the eargesplitten loudenboomer If i remember it was either a 22/50BMG or maybe a 30/50BMG.. I can't find my copy of the manual, but if i recall they were getting velocities of over 5,000 FPS


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How about .242 Vickers (.242 Manton/.242 Express) for obscure.



 
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Well not really obscure but not common either. I've used a .350 Rem mag quite a bit and had a lot of luck with it.


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333 okh belted mag which later became the 338 win mag .
I have a p17 Enfield that was Elmer Keith's made by Charlie oneal.They hunted with it in Alaska and Africa. I HOPE TO get the scope and scope mount fixed so I can hunt with it .Its one beautiful rifle .The downfall is its. 333 caliber but I really like it .I am very glad I have two sets of dies for it .I hope to hunt deer and bear with it and add to its history .
 
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I have all obscure calibers, many of which I became obscure with. But not sure that most of the guns mentioned are not "obscure", just not popular these days, Obscure would be the 10.75x68 for instance and a few others mentioned, but as a whole, most mentioned are just not in everyones gun cabinet..

2-25-35s
3 30-30s
two 250-3000s
38-40 Win rifle
7x57
30-06 2
300 H&H
8x57
8mm/06 Ackley
270
5mm rem
Brno mod 1. Brno 21, Brno 22..
Not counting wildcats..
and some others maybe not so obscure but close..

But on second thought whats in my gun cabinet can change drastically from day to day..


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.32 win spl or 8x57 mauser
 
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.30 super flanged




.360 2&7/16" BPE



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Took my first 3 elk with the .348 win, and then its been 9.3X74 for bison, 458x2" for bear and cougar, 577/500 no.2 for moose and a few more bear, and lastly, the 450 BPE for Whitetail.
I have lots of the regular calibers, but they just dont seem to bring the same satisfaction as reviving some of these old obsolete cannons.

Took my elk this last fall with a 95 win, in 405, and just found myself another '95 in 35 WCF! components are proving to be a bit of a challenge, but that's part of the fun!
 
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6.5x54 Mannlicher
358 Win
 
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My two favorite rifles for hunting whitetail deer are my Browning A-bolt in .257 Roberts and my Savage model 99 in 250-3000. I have killed a lot more deer with the .257 since I have owned it longer.
When I go on the South Carolina deer hunt, I usually am carrying the lightest caliber. Most will be shooting .270, .30-06, or some magnum caliber. They usually laugh until I make a couple of one-shot kills. Cool


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17 Remington
22BR
260AI
 
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If you have a copy of PO Ackley's reloading manual form the 1950's there is a round in there that always facinated me... the eargesplitten loudenboomer If i remember it was either a 22/50BMG or maybe a 30/50BMG.. I can't find my copy of the manual, but if i recall they were getting velocities of over 5,000 FPS

It's in Volume II of PQ Ackley's "Handbook for Shooters & Reloaders":

.22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer
"The cartridge is made by necking down the .378 Weatherby with a sharp-cornered, 40 degree shoulder.
50 gr. bullet, 105 gr. H570 powder, 4600 fps

Two of the obscure cartridges that others have mentioned, the .32 Win Special, was what I shot my first deer with back in 1965; and the .30-40 Krag was what I shot my first elk with in 1966.

My favorite obscure cartridge was my .30 Gibbs that from 1980 through 2003 it put 23 elk, 2 Shiras moose, a mountain goat, and an Alaskan caribou in my freezer.


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My favorite 22 centwrfire is the Old 22 Swift.
 
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skb,

Really like that 14 bore of yours, thanks for posting it again. tu2


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I will have to go with the .250 Savage....which was my first deer rifle. I still have the rifle, and used it to whack a pig last year!


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65.X257

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30X357 Max shortened long neck. Essentially a long necked 30X221 rimmed but slightly longer case overall and to the neck. Created, as I understand it by a crusty ol gunsmith like there used to be.
So OBSCURE I have no idea what it is.
Came to me with a couple of fired cases (FORTUNATELY) and it took me a while to figure how to form cases.
Shipped to me via a friend of the deceased gunsmith that created it with little other info.
Heavy barrel that had been on his bench gun that has holes everywhere as he set it back to account for throat wear, until he put it on the Francotte action for Shutzen shooting.
Need to get it outa and shoot it with some heavy cast projies.



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The most obscure ones that I recall owning are a Sauer drilling in 8x57JR ( .318" bore) x16ga. 2-1/2" and a Small ring mauser German guild gun in 9x57mm.
I personally favour European rifles that use cartridges common there but less common in Canada and even rarer in the USA:
9.3x74R, 9.3x62, 8x57IS, 7x64, .222 and .22 Hornet.
One British Dangerous game / Double rifle cartridge that I use and like was revived by Hornady, so I suppose it could be classified as an "obscure, currently available, American" round: the .450-400 3" Nitro Express.
 
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