Wildlife investigators: Poison killed wolf
Associated Press
DENVER (AP) — Toxicology
tests show a gray wolf that
strayed from Montana into
Colorado where it was found dead
in 2009 was killed by Compound
1080, a poison that is banned in
Colorado, the U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service said Monday.
The agency is seeking the public’s
help to pinpoint the source.
Compound 1080, or sodium fluoroacetate,
was commonly used to
control coyotes, foxes and rodents
until the U.S. banned it in 1972,
but the rule has been modified.
Today its only legal use is in collars
used to protect sheep and
goats from coyotes, and only in
certain states. Colorado is not one
of them.
It’s possible people who had the
poison on hand before 1972 are
still holding on to it, said Steve
Oberholtzer, special agent in
charge for the U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service’s Mountain-
Prairie Region.
“That’s what we’re hoping to
find: who has it and who’s still
using it,” Oberholtzer said.
Investigators suspect the wolf
ingested the poison near where
she was found, near Rio Blanco
County Road 60 on April 6, 2009.
Officers with the U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service and the Colorado
Division of Wildlife said they could
not find any evidence of traps, poison
baits or other potential causes
of death in the area or other spots
she visited before her death.
Colorado’s native population of
the gray wolf was wiped out by
poisoning and trapping decades
ago, but government-sponsored
reintroduction programs have
helped the animal come back in
some states. It is considered
endangered in Colorado.
The wolf that died was from
Montana’s Mill Creek pack and
was wearing a GPS collar as part
of a Montana research project. Her
collar indicated she broke from
her pack and wandered more than
1,000 miles, passing through
Wyoming, Idaho and Utah before
ending up in Eagle County in
February 2009.
“Her premature death from
deadly poison points illustrates
that the West presents a dangerous
minefield to wide-ranging
native carnivores such as wolves,
wolverines and bears,” said Wendy
Keefover-Ring of the group
WildEarth Guardians.
“It is a deadly toxicant should
not be manufactured or used at
all,” she said.

Lead and copper work well too.

Perry

and wendy can kiss my redneck ass.

I think whom ever did this should share with WY,ID,and MT they need the help. Keep them in the park or ship them to DC

YAY!

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Originally posted by ravenr:
and wendy can kiss my redneck ass.

well said...

troy

If the goal is to get wolves delisted, the best way to do this is to continually present the facts regarding the impact wolves have on the ecosystem.

If the goal is to keep them on the list and force the hand of wildlife managers and encourage anti-hunters to petition the government to keep them listed, the best way to do that is to poach, poison, and continually support wolf poisoning and poaching.

quote:

and wendy can kiss my redneck ass.

ravenr: Your not a redneck, your a Mountain Man.

To bad the whole pack didn't get into the 1080.
One down 1699 more to go.

Steve

That's a shame for every hunter. Wolfs are a part of the ecosystem, they need management not poison. What would you say if the people of tanzania start to poison their lions or farmers start to poison deer?

when this animal is protected to the detriment of other species and the protection are based on emotion instead of science...
then we take over the management.

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That's a shame for every hunter. Wolfs are a part of the ecosystem, they need management not poison. What would you say if the people of tanzania start to poison their lions or farmers start to poison deer?

The only problem is he fact that the populations are well past management objectives and ARE NOT BEING MANAGED per the original reintroduction goals.

The anti-hunters are using them as a back door to reduce/eliminate hunting.

I'm not sure a what the shelf life of that particular poison is but if it's nearly 40 years old, I would think it would lose some of it's potentcy, I'm not 100% sure though.

My dad was a Government Trapper in the late 60's and they used cyanide capsules in those days but they did have an "expiration date" on them.

Odds are they guy went out of state and got it but he can probably buy some very effective stuff at his local feed store if he knows what to look for.

"I think whom ever did this should share with WY,ID,and MT they need the help. Keep them in the park or ship them to DC"

Sounds like the best management plan I've heard yet!

Wendy can make herself a thong out of that wolf pelt...chowder head!

A few years ago someone was placing poison meat in the NF here.

The DNR came out in a statement that someone was trying to poison dogs.

I guess I lot of dogs run around big blocks of woods when there is no hunting seasons on.

I think they belived lots of people would get up set about poisoning dogs but not wolves.

I was raised in Idaho and enjoyed great elk/deer hunting as a teenager, then traveled back home to hunt them for several years. I was on the fence about wolves when the Yuppies started all their trash talking but not anymore. The last time I returned home to huntwas a few years ago as the wolves have eliminated huntable numbers of deer and elk around my family's ranch.
Use copper or lead to posion every wolf you see is the mantra I'm holding to now!!

I'm glad.

I may be wrong but I think this is the same poison the DOC uses in New Zealand. Pretty effective stuff if it is the same thing.

Poison is probably still being used in Colorado, albeit illegaly. About 15-20 years ago, 5 dead black bears were found and it was concluded they fed off a poisoned carcass.

As an avid coyote hunter, I've given much thought as to what I would do when a wolf comes to my call.

Caracal,

there used to be wolves all over Europe didn't there?

How's about we ship you a couple hundred extra ones from Idaho and you let them loose? It could help restore your ecological imbalance.

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Caracal,

there used to be wolves all over Europe didn't there?

How's about we ship you a couple hundred extra ones from Idaho and you let them loose? It could help restore your ecological imbalance.

Rich

excellent idea Rich...

troy

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Caracal,

there used to be wolves all over Europe didn't there?

How's about we ship you a couple hundred extra ones from Idaho and you let them loose? It could help restore your ecological imbalance.

Rich

Thx we have already wolves in germany Wolves are part of the ecosystem, if yo don't understand it go back to school
I think you need a management system for wolves (with a quota for wolvehunting).
What would you say if people in southern africa would start to poison the lion/leopards?

quote:

What would you say if people in southern africa would start to poison the lion/leopards?

They would if they didn't have value to SPORT HUNTERS. They are managed AND hunted there.

USFW is NOT managing, they are protecting wolves to the detriment of sport hunting and all wildlife population.


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quote:

As an avid coyote hunter, I've given much thought as to what I would do when a wolf comes to my call.

Simple: SSS

quote:

I think you need a management system for wolves (with a quota for wolf hunting).

Exactly! and we do not have a realistic management plan in place yet that allows all wildlife to benefit. Our Federal government has it so mucked up it is pathetic. Bunch politicians telling lies through both sides of the mouth.

There's nothing better for protecting wolves quite like a good 3 foot layer of dirt...

s/s/s works every time.

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Originally posted by Caracal: ....
What would you say if people in southern africa would start to poison the lion/leopards?

**** NEWS FLASH*** to Caracal
South Africans have been poisioning leopard and lions for longer than we're both alive not to mention traps and snares that are set EVERY day.

quote:

That's a shame for every hunter. Wolfs are a part of the ecosystem, they need management not poison. What would you say if the people of tanzania start to poison their lions or farmers start to poison deer?

A horribly uneducated post!

quote:

Originally posted by Slowpoke Slim:
There's nothing better for protecting wolves quite like a good 3 foot layer of dirt...

quote:

Originally posted by 2th doc:

quote:

Originally posted by Caracal: ....
What would you say if people in southern africa would start to poison the lion/leopards?

**** NEWS FLASH*** to Caracal
South Africans have been poisioning leopard and lions for longer than we're both alive not to mention traps and snares that are set EVERY day.

I know that. I've been in places in rsa where farmes killed everything because it had no use to them. But I am against it. I love wildlife and the outdoors. I protect it where I can, that's what hunters do in europe.

I am not against wolfhunting and I would love to hunt one. I'm only against idiots putting poiso somewhere because they think they have the right to do it.

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:

quote:

That's a shame for every hunter. Wolfs are a part of the ecosystem, they need management not poison. What would you say if the people of tanzania start to poison their lions or farmers start to poison deer?

A horribly uneducated post!

Really? Where do wolves come from? The Mars?

Caracal, you ARE horribly uneducated where wolves and the US are concerned. The Federal Government brought non-native(Canadian) wolves into Yellowstone Park against the wishes of most of those who live there.Wolves have reproduced and decimated local deer and elk populations...basically without any real attempt by the Federal
government to manage them, except to say to the States to keep hands off.

Pretty piss poor management plan for a species that is destroying local game populations.

Do some study before making comments on "management" half a world away....

troy

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What would you say if people in southern africa would start to poison the lion/leopards?[/QUOTE]

They do when they start eating people, livestock etc.

quote:

Originally posted by DTala:
Caracal, you ARE horribly uneducated where wolves and the US are concerned. The Federal Government brought non-native(Canadian) wolves into Yellowstone Park against the wishes of most of those who live there.Wolves have reproduced and decimated local deer and elk populations...basically without any real attempt by the Federal
government to manage them, except to say to the States to keep hands off.

Pretty piss poor management plan for a species that is destroying local game populations.

Do some study before making comments on "management" half a world away....

troy

I know what they did in the yellowstone park.
If you think it's ok to poison Game do it, it's your country

quote:

As an avid coyote hunter, I've given much thought as to what I would do when a wolf comes to my call.

You thought it was just a large coyote. . . .

LWD

$100 k fine, rediculous. Harsher penalty than drug dealing or being child molester.


Feds investigate wolf death near Casper
StoryDiscussionFeds investigate wolf death near Casper
.The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is investigating the death of a wolf recently found about 45 miles southwest of Casper, a special agent said Friday.

"We have one dead wolf; we don't know what killed it," Steve Oberholtzer said from the agency's Denver office.

"We can't confirm the cause of death," Oberholtzer said. "We can't point to the probable cause of death."

The Fish and Wildlife Service, a division of the U.S. Department of Interior, has one agent working the case, and it does not comment on investigations until after they are concluded or prosecuted, he said.

Wolves are listed as an endangered species.

The intentional killing of a wolf without cause, such as witnessed predation on livestock, is punishable by up to one year imprisonment and a $100,000 fine, Oberholtzer said.

Mark Murphy of the Murphy Ranch north of the Pathfinder Reservoir said he learned from trappers that two wolves had been seen in the Horse Heaven area of the Rattlesnake Mountains on Dec. 18.

Oberholtzer confirmed the report, saying the sighting attracted a lot of attention.

Murphy said the trappers told him the dead wolf was found near Dry Creek Road between his ranch and the Dumbell Ranch, but he does not know when that happened.

Oberholtzer said a worker at a ranch, he did not know which one, found the wolf and notified the Fish and Wildlife Service's law enforcement office in Casper.

Oberholtzer said he did not know when or where the wolf was found.

The wolf wore a radio collar, but he did not know where its pack was located, he added.

In general, investigation of wolf deaths can take a long time, Oberholtzer said.

A gunshot can be easy to identify, but identifying a poisoning can weeks, if not longer, he said.

The Fish and Wildlife Service also may not release any information about a wolf death for a long time, such as a press release Monday about a wolf that had been found dead in western Colorado in April 2009, he said.

Investigators needed a month and a half to determine the cause of death of this radio-collared wolf, who had left her pack in Montana in September 2008 and traveled 3,000 miles before her death, Oberholtzer said.

Investigators determined the wolf died after ingesting the banned Compound 1080, he said. Compound 1080 is a highly toxic poison that causes agonizing deaths. In 1972, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency banned its use, with rare exceptions.

Gray wolves, which were hunted to near extinction nearly a century ago, were reintroduced in the Yellowstone ecosystem by the Fish and Wildlife Service in 1995.

As of last week, about 348 wolves -- 247 outside Yellowstone National Park -- were in Wyoming in a total of about 45 packs, with 34 of those packs outside the park, according to a preliminary report released by the Fish and Wildlife Service.

In 2010, the Fish and Wildlife service documented 58 wolf deaths, with 40 of those killed because of livestock predation, two from natural causes, nine that were illegal or are under investigation, three unknown causes, and four others, according to the report.

Total documented predation in 2010 of sheep, cattle and other animals by wolves amounted to 65, the lowest number since 2003, according to the report.

We need the DNR AKA Fish & Game to worry more about Poachers than dead Wolves.I say let the Feds manage the Wolves instead of pushing it on the States.They do not have the money to do it and neither do the States.The Wolf problem would go away by itself if unregulated and unchecked!!!!I plan on introducing a resolution at Wi. next Fish & Game meetings to do just this.We the Sportsman are paying the freight for the DNR and should have a say so on how the money is spent!!!!

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Originally posted by Caracal:
What would you say if people in southern africa would start to poison the lion/leopards?

Lion and Leopard are considered trophy animals; they look real good mounted up or as a rug. As such, they have a value to sport hunters, and that value keeps them from being killed off.

Trophy Wolves?? Yeah, not so much…


Now with my tongue firmly in cheek, I suggest the following:

If you are going to introduce something that kills Trophy Deer and Elk, at least make it an animal that also has a perceived trophy value, and as a bonus, it can take care of the wolf issue as well…

I give you, the Siberian Tiger:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_tiger

Here is the relevant section:

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In areas where wolves and tigers share ranges, the two species typically display a great deal of dietary overlap, resulting in intense competition. Wolf and tiger interactions are well documented in Sikhote-Alin, which until the beginning of the 20th century, held very few wolves. It is thought by certain experts that wolf numbers increased in the region after tigers were largely eliminated during the Russian colonization in the late 19th century and early 20th century. This is corroborated by native inhabitants of the region claiming that they had no memory of wolves inhabiting Sikhote-Alin until the 1930s, when tiger numbers decreased.[26]

Tigers depress wolf numbers, either to the point of localized extinction or to such low numbers as to make them a functionally insignificant component of the ecosystem. Wolves appear capable of escaping competitive exclusion from tigers only when human pressure decreases tiger numbers.[27] Today wolves are considered scarce in tiger inhabited areas, being found in scattered pockets, and usually seen travelling as loners or in small groups. First hand accounts on interactions between the two species indicate that tigers occasionally chase wolves from their kills, while wolves will scavenge from tiger kills.

Tigers are not known to prey on wolves, though there are four records of tigers killing wolves without consuming them.[26] This competitive exclusion of wolves by tigers has been used by Russian conservationists to convince hunters in the Far East to tolerate the big cats, as they limit ungulate populations less than wolves, and are effective in controlling wolf numbers.[28]

If you are going to "reintroduce" a species, the least the greenies could do is select an animal that is actually endangered.

But for some reason, I don’t think the cattle ranchers would like my solution either...

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