Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters
Expelled from SCI

Outfitter Todd Rice and his company Sonoran Outfitters has been expelled from Safari Club International, effective December 19th. The Hunting Report has repeatedly warned readers about a series of complaints from subscribers and other hunters who have paid in full for sheep hunts with Rice in Mexico, taken sheep, and then either have not received their trophies or have had to pay over and above the agreed upon price to get them. One of The Hunting Report subscribers involved in this situation submitted a complaint of ethics violations to SCI. After investigation, the organization’s Ethics and Code of Conduct Committee found Rice in violation of SCI Bylaws and its Standard of Ethics and expelled him.

As The Hunting Report has previously reported, Rice and his company have also been barred from the Wild Sheep Foundation and Grand Slam Club/Ovis. As you will read in our coming January issue Rice has also been shut out of Dallas Safari Club.

In the official notice sent to Rice and forwarded to us by the affected hunter, it states:

Mr. Rice,

This is a notice that you have been expelled from SCI. As of the close-of-business on Friday, December 19, 2014, your membership in SCI has ceased because you failed to request a hearing in regard to the finding that you had violated the SCI Bylaws and in regard to the proposed sanction of expulsion. You no longer have any of the rights or privileges of a member of SCI. This sanction also applies to your business, Sonoran Outfitters. In addition, the Chapters of SCI are prohibited from having any dealings with you.

On November 19, 2014, a notice was sent to you that the SCI Ethics and Code of Conduct Committee had made a finding that you violated the SCI ethics standards as set forth in the SCI Bylaws. The Committee recommended that you be expelled from SCI. You were told that you had the opportunity to request a hearing in regard to these findings and recommendation but that you had to request a hearing by the close-of-business Eastern time U.S. on Friday, December 19, 2014 or the sanction of expulsion will go into effect automatically.

A notice describing your violation and the fact that you have been expelled will be published in SCI’s official journal.

Richard Parsons, Counsel
SCI Ethics and Code of Conduct Committee

For more on Todd Rice, see page 14 in our January issue. Rice continues to advertise and market a number of hunts in Mexico and elsewhere. We urge anyone considering any of these hunts to fully research Rice, his recent conduct, and the sanctions against him and his company before putting a deposit on any hunt he offers now or in the future. Caveat Emptor!

That is great news larry. Thanks for giving us the update.

For all the negative comments on SCI, this really seems to go to show that the reason they seem so unresponsive is that they utilize some sort of due process rights for the membership.

Not saying that there are no screw ups (because I think there obviously are) but given the choice, I think I prefer due process to kangaroo courts...

If someone thinks hunting is a prestigious activity, there will be cheats and charlatans. After reading some Ruark last night, I was reminded of this when he was talking about folks who went out and had the PH shoot their game and came back telling tales. No different than guys playing games to get SCI awards.

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Sonoran Outfitters

Saeed should start a sub-forum titled "Bad Outfitters". It'd be off to a good start with Blair, Northwoods and this jackwad.

I hear there are some extremely serious allegations that have not been made public. Worse than tbe things I have heard . Not sure if it is true nor what these allegations might be.

Todd Rice is really THAT bad

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For all the negative comments on SCI, this really seems to go to show that the reason they seem so unresponsive is that they utilize some sort of due process rights for the membership.

Is it April Fool's Day? You've got to be kidding right?

How long has this issue been on the surface and how many people have been screwed by Rice while SCI dithered?

If I had to bet, he finally screwed some SCI bigwig or friend thereof and that is what caused the SCI's action.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:
If I had to bet, he finally screwed some SCI bigwig or friend thereof and that is what caused the SCI's action.

Probably true!

Can someone please relate something positive about SCI? It sure sounds akin to the corrupt Chicago political machine from the posts on AR.

That was $500 well spent!

If I read larryshores original message correctly, SCI still allows this Rice thief to advertise in their magazine?

Unlike here on AR, in real life, large organizations of any kind have to follow the laws and procedures when making accusations against anyone they are involved with for obvious reasons. They must rely on "actual facts" and not hear say and 3rd and 4th hand reports and simple bias by, in this case SCI Bashers. Seems like SCI took the time to gather "real" facts and figures on Mr. Rice, then took the appropriate action. I know that's not the way the "bashers" do it here, but oh well.

On here if someone is even slightly hinted upon that they may have gone astray and have a suspected connection with SCI, they are immediately judged guilty by some here without actually knowing "any" first hand facts in the matter.

Now it seems AR members are open to chastising for posting "hunt reports", posting "pictures", alerting other members about possible "shaddy outfitters". Why anyone would stick there neck out on here and not expect immediate scorn is beyond me. What a sad state this has become because of a few rotten apples. (AR not SCI).

Larry Sellers
SCI(International)Life Member
R8 Blaser
Sabatti "trash" Double Shooter

SCI does a good enough job of embarrassing themselves on their own. They don't need help. I was asking a simple question if SCI still allows losers like Rice to advertise in their publications, nothing more.

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Originally posted by Gatogordo:

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For all the negative comments on SCI, this really seems to go to show that the reason they seem so unresponsive is that they utilize some sort of due process rights for the membership.

Is it April Fool's Day? You've got to be kidding right?

How long has this issue been on the surface and how many people have been screwed by Rice while SCI dithered?

If I had to bet, he finally screwed some SCI bigwig or friend thereof and that is what caused the SCI's action.

It seems to have been on the surface for quite a while

Notice the date?

Notice the (1) answer to the (2) direct questions?

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If SCI found a cure for cancer, some here would complain.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Unlike here on AR, in real life, large organizations of any kind have to follow the laws and procedures when making accusations against anyone they are involved with for obvious reasons. They must rely on "actual facts" and not hear say and 3rd and 4th hand reports and simple bias by, in this case SCI Bashers. Seems like SCI took the time to gather "real" facts and figures on Mr. Rice, then took the appropriate action. I know that's not the way the "bashers" do it here, but oh well.

On here if someone is even slightly hinted upon that they may have gone astray and have a suspected connection with SCI, they are immediately judged guilty by some here without actually knowing "any" first hand facts in the matter.

Now it seems AR members are open to chastising for posting "hunt reports", posting "pictures", alerting other members about possible "shaddy outfitters". Why anyone would stick there neck out on here and not expect immediate scorn is beyond me. What a sad state this has become because of a few rotten apples. (AR not SCI).

Larry Sellers
SCI(International)Life Member
R8 Blaser
Sabatti "trash" Double Shooter

You did a pretty good job of bashing someone in the thread on Kuiu gear who provided his credentials as a military fabric specialist.

Whatever.....we get it, you're the expert on everything and if you're not then no one is. Merry Christmas.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Unlike here on AR, in real life, large organizations of any kind have to follow the laws and procedures when making accusations against anyone they are involved with for obvious reasons. They must rely on "actual facts" and not hear say and 3rd and 4th hand reports and simple bias by, in this case SCI Bashers. Seems like SCI took the time to gather "real" facts and figures on Mr. Rice, then took the appropriate action. I know that's not the way the "bashers" do it here, but oh well.

On here if someone is even slightly hinted upon that they may have gone astray and have a suspected connection with SCI, they are immediately judged guilty by some here without actually knowing "any" first hand facts in the matter.

Now it seems AR members are open to chastising for posting "hunt reports", posting "pictures", alerting other members about possible "shaddy outfitters". Why anyone would stick there neck out on here and not expect immediate scorn is beyond me. What a sad state this has become because of a few rotten apples. (AR not SCI).

Larry Sellers
SCI(International)Life Member
R8 Blaser
Sabatti "trash" Double Shooter

I have facts and I know what kind of guy he is. Doesn't take long to figure it out if you try. I appreciate Barbara Crown at the Hunting Report for publishing the facts and holding Todd accountable

Nobody's perfect but SCI does what we expect them to do in most cases
I'm member, I enjoy the magazine, Vegas show, local banquets
I don't expect much as I can take care of myself.
It's like NRA, they fight the battles on Capitol Hill mostly for us with our Money/donations/dues etc.
Nobody makes us to belong/pay against our will
That being said I'm stoked to go to Vegas again and roam the halls and dream of faraway hunts till I'm beat and ready for drink and cigar

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Originally posted by Norton:

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Unlike here on AR, in real life, large organizations of any kind have to follow the laws and procedures when making accusations against anyone they are involved with for obvious reasons. They must rely on "actual facts" and not hear say and 3rd and 4th hand reports and simple bias by, in this case SCI Bashers. Seems like SCI took the time to gather "real" facts and figures on Mr. Rice, then took the appropriate action. I know that's not the way the "bashers" do it here, but oh well.

On here if someone is even slightly hinted upon that they may have gone astray and have a suspected connection with SCI, they are immediately judged guilty by some here without actually knowing "any" first hand facts in the matter.

Now it seems AR members are open to chastising for posting "hunt reports", posting "pictures", alerting other members about possible "shaddy outfitters". Why anyone would stick there neck out on here and not expect immediate scorn is beyond me. What a sad state this has become because of a few rotten apples. (AR not SCI).

Larry Sellers
SCI(International)Life Member
R8 Blaser
Sabatti "trash" Double Shooter

You did a pretty good job of bashing someone in the thread on Kuiu gear who provided his credentials as a military fabric specialist.

Whatever.....we get it, you're the expert on everything and if you're not then no one is. Merry Christmas.

+1 Norton I wouldn't touch SCI with a 10' pole, LOL!

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Unlike here on AR, in real life, large organizations of any kind have to follow the laws and procedures when making accusations against anyone they are involved with for obvious reasons. They must rely on "actual facts" and not hear say and 3rd and 4th hand reports and simple bias by, in this case SCI Bashers. Seems like SCI took the time to gather "real" facts and figures on Mr. Rice, then took the appropriate action. I know that's not the way the "bashers" do it here, but oh well.

On here if someone is even slightly hinted upon that they may have gone astray and have a suspected connection with SCI, they are immediately judged guilty by some here without actually knowing "any" first hand facts in the matter.

Now it seems AR members are open to chastising for posting "hunt reports", posting "pictures", alerting other members about possible "shaddy outfitters". Why anyone would stick there neck out on here and not expect immediate scorn is beyond me. What a sad state this has become because of a few rotten apples. (AR not SCI).

Larry Sellers
SCI(International)Life Member
R8 Blaser
Sabatti "trash" Double Shooter

I have facts and I know what kind of guy he is. Doesn't take long to figure it out if you try. I appreciate Barbara Crown at the Hunting Report for publishing the facts and holding Todd accountable

+1 to you too Drummond. This guy has been "outed" for what he is for at least 4 or 5 years now all over hunting websites and if SCI couldn't put a good, solid case against him until now they certainly weren't trying very hard!

Topgun:

I think you have a misunderstanding of SCI. They are not the police or game wardens. They wait until a proper complaint is filed BEFORE they investigate. I have no idea when this complaint was filed.

FYI, DSC dealt with Rice in 2014 as well. They were not significantly earlier than SCI.

I can tell you that some of the people complaining to one of the organizations banning Rice never wanted to be named in public. It was hard to deal with their complaints.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Topgun:

I think you have a misunderstanding of SCI. They are not the police or game wardens. They wait until a proper complaint is filed BEFORE they investigate. I have no idea when this complaint was filed.

FYI, DSC dealt with Rice in 2014 as well. They were not significantly earlier than SCI.

I can tell you that some of the people complaining to one of the organizations banning Rice never wanted to be named in public. It was hard to deal with their complaints.

This guy has been all over the internet for scamming people for years and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the guy is a scumbag. If SCI and DSC couldn't start their own investigations involving a person like that for people who are also members of their organization, IMHO they both dropped the ball on this one. I know neither are the police or GWs and have to go through proper procedures, but I just feel along with others that this took way to long to culminate in what they finally did. Also, if SCI continues to allow Rice to advertise in their magazine after he has been officially expelled, it tells me something, but I'll just leave that one alone. Merry Christmas to ya!

Maybe I am old and blind. Where does it say that he is allowed to continue advertising?

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Maybe I am old and blind. Where does it say that he is allowed to continue advertising?

It doesn't, somehow this line is being poorly intrepreted...

"Rice continues to advertise and market a number of hunts in Mexico and elsewhere."

Maybe as part of the article is from Hunt Report and part is a SCI release?

Never states where he has ads.


Need to get an SCI and Blaser haters forum on here, it would be the most active on the site.

Thanks. That is what I thought.

Guess you missed the jest/intent in the Kuiu post. Figures.

Larry Sellers
SCI(International)Life Member
R8 Blaser
Sabatti 'trash' Double Shooter

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Originally posted by Norton:

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Unlike here on AR, in real life, large organizations of any kind have to follow the laws and procedures when making accusations against anyone they are involved with for obvious reasons. They must rely on "actual facts" and not hear say and 3rd and 4th hand reports and simple bias by, in this case SCI Bashers. Seems like SCI took the time to gather "real" facts and figures on Mr. Rice, then took the appropriate action. I know that's not the way the "bashers" do it here, but oh well.

On here if someone is even slightly hinted upon that they may have gone astray and have a suspected connection with SCI, they are immediately judged guilty by some here without actually knowing "any" first hand facts in the matter.

Now it seems AR members are open to chastising for posting "hunt reports", posting "pictures", alerting other members about possible "shaddy outfitters". Why anyone would stick there neck out on here and not expect immediate scorn is beyond me. What a sad state this has become because of a few rotten apples. (AR not SCI).

Larry Sellers
SCI(International)Life Member
R8 Blaser
Sabatti "trash" Double Shooter

You did a pretty good job of bashing someone in the thread on Kuiu gear who provided his credentials as a military fabric specialist.

Whatever.....we get it, you're the expert on everything and if you're not then no one is. Merry Christmas.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Thanks. That is what I thought.

Okay, sorry and I stand corrected if they are only saying in that blurb below the letter to him that it means he's advertising in other places. I guess some of us that don't care for the organization are prone to jump to conclusions, so shame on me!!!

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Guess you missed the jest/intent in the Kuiu post. Figures.

Larry Sellers
SCI(International)Life Member
R8 Blaser
Sabatti 'trash' Double Shooter

I didn't miss anything. I bet you know how to beat a hasty retreat as well.