You know what is really ironic?

Some folks here think they would have better opportunities to hunt if the license prices were the same as residents. The truth is, that would open the floodgates and every Tom, Dick, and Harry, including their wives, would apply.

Your odds of ever drawing would be crap.

Thankfully, there is Africa and guaranteed tags for guides in some states.

AAZWriter, is that your kudu in the photo on your link? Super bull!

Yea, that is mine. It was very nice. One of my best ever trophies, but the wide angle lens makes him look huge too.

AnotherAZWriter, my parents live in Sierra Vista AZ, nice place to visit. I considered moving there, but my wife likes the east coast.
It sounds easy to just pick up and move, but it is a big decision to pack up and leave a good paying job.

rickt300, I like them name you came up with KUDUTroll

I get tired of hearing how he spends money 365 day a year in his home State. Well hell we all spend money 365 days in our home State. What's that got to do with tags.

Sorry guys to tall to be a troll! And I don't have a beard.

You are saying being a resident has no merit in each state? As a resident you support your state and the businesses financially, should you not get a break for tags? Or do we make a deer tag the same price in every state for everyone. Your analogies are way off course. And as long as Wyoming has higher and more expenditures, managing wolves and bears, nonresident fees will have to rise to offset the costs. Ours won't because we live here 365 days a year and pay for more than just a $483 dollar license, a tank of gas, and a six pack.

Just give me an intelligent and ligit reason that our elk tags should be the same price for residents as well as nonresidents?

The state of Wy has already raised the nonresident quota for tags, several times in the last few years. Why should that be the same? Does your state charge the same and allow equal tags?

KUDUTroll, where did anyone say resident and non-resident tags should be the same? I did not see one person say that. We are talking about AZ proposal to raise trophy fee and tag fee to unheard of prices for non-residents. This also has to do with the number of tags issued to non-residents.

Quote: From Gonhuntin:

I never said non residents should get 50% of the available tags......I said residents and non residents should be treated equally when it comes to hunting federal land......in other words, all the names go in the same hat and everyone has the same chance to draw a tag regardless of where that person lives.....let the drawing be blind concerning where the applicant lives.......what is unfair about that??? If the state wants to eliminate all non resident tags for state land, I have no heartburn over that.......


Redhawk you need to lay off the drugs and learn to read and comprehend the written word. There has been lots of discusion concerning Wy nonresident tags and fees. All of my posts concern Wyomings fees and tag numbers. Only one concerning Arizona. Put the bottle of fire water down and "READ"!

REDCOCK 1-bring it on!
yeah since when do they sell firewater on the rez-maybe not firewater but some peyote! And how much does it cost to hunt on the rez-a lot more for whitey than the indians! Talk about discrimination! A sovereign nation-yeah right-casinos-bring on more firewater! Too scared to use a real name!

KUDUTroll, For one I don't drink. I know your comment was meant to get under my skin "Put the bottle of fire water down and "READ"!" Yes I am Native American and your lack of respect and ignorant talk is childish. How come it turns into a race thing when you run out of intelligent things to say. Your mind must be like your penis "small". You wonder why you are considered a troll, it is just this reason. Grow up and got off the race issue. If you can't think of a good comment, don't post.

dzpoorjr, I could not tell you the cost to hunt on a reservation. I have never hunted there. I do not live on a reservation. I own my own home and make real good money. I don't drink and I don't play a race card. You and KUDUTroll seam to have a problem with race. I notice you two live in different States and are sticking together on this one. Are you related or just a couple.

dzpoorjr, you got a problem with me personally??? take it off this board, my e-mail address is Surfish7@aol.com. I will be glad to give you my name and address. I visit AZ every year to see my parents. I would be glad to meet you in person and discuss your problems.

To all the Member here that have to read all this crap posted I apologize. I got sucked in by 2 trolls. I will not post any further post on this subject.

Redhawk!

About all I can say is GOOD! Now get your hooked on phonics book out and go back and read what has been said.

Like I said before, read the previous posts and follow the discussion. I am not going to get into race either, my grandmother was full blooded Northern Arapaho, my grand father, her husband, was welsh, english, and german. She pretty much raised me. I have no idea what that makes me. Not an issue or concern with me. Nor does it pertain to this discussion.

Not concerned about that, what I am concerned about is whinning nonresidents that bitch about $481 for an elk tag and don"t live in that particular state nor do they support said state 365 days a year like a resident. If $481 is to much to pay for the privilege to hunt an elk in Wyoming, then stay the hell home! Plain and simple. There is a waiting list times 5 that will pay the $481 and glad to do it.

And screw George Taulman and his cohorts, they are doing no good for the common man and hunting. He is only damageing and commercializing hunting. I as a hunter will not or ever will suppport any company, organization, or group of people that affiliates itself with George!

This is what my bitch is about. Not the non-resident tag fee of $481 in WY. Maybe you need to read the whole thread. It pertains to AZ not WY.
"""" Under the proposal a nonresident could be charged $775 for the same bull elk hunt for which, at most, a resident would only be charged $150. In the case of a premium bull elk tag, nonresidents could be charged as much as $3200, compared to only $350 for residents.""""

Redhawk. As of two years ago, a bull elk hunt on the White mountain Reservation was $15,000. Last year, there was a post on another site where the San Carlos reservation still had a couple of openings for bull elk at $25,000 each. No nontribal member can hunt bull elk without a guide.
Talk about discrimination.
If you are registered with the reservation, you can hunt for literaly next to nothing, if I understand it correctly.
So now, you can understand the anger the fellow from Safford feels. Hell, I feel the same anger, and with good reason.
I also have great anger about the crap Taulman pulled with his lawsuit. As it was, getting a tag for a bull elk was about slim and nearly none. The same for a chance at a Kaibab deer tag. Now, thanks to that son of a bitch, my chances are none and less than none. So you'll just have to excuse me if what I say doesn't sit too well with you.
Somebody was hollering about Wyoming's price for an elk tag. Try Nevada for a non-resident tag. $1,000 for the tag plus whatever they want for the hunting license itself. They want as much for a deer tag as Arizona is asking for an elk tag. Montana wants something like $900 plus for a gauranteed tag and damn near $700 if you want to try for a lottery draw. being retired and on a slim fixed income, they'll never get any of my money.
Paul B.

Paul B, I don't want to get into a racial argument. But look where the Native Americans were put at. They were moved from reservation to reservation. Every time the Government found something of value on a reservation they made the Native Americans move. Now they have something they can hunt and everyone wants in on it. I just say let them have it. There is so much federal land in AZ and also privet land for other's to hunt on. I could go on and on of the mistreatment of Native Americans, but I do not like to. I do not feel sorry when the blacks talk about slavery and I don't ever us my race to get any hand outs. I served in the United States Air Force and now own my own business that I funded out of my pocket. I do not like when people have nothing else to say and start on a racial issue. This topic has gotten so far off track it is not even funny. The topic went from the letter to AZ G&F from the USO to hunting on reservations. Come on and lets keep it to hunting and to the topic. I love to hunt but it is not my life and I am not consumed by it. It is something I love to do, but I will not hunt where non-residents are not welcome. Looks like AZ, WY, NM, are States I will avoid. I will do my big game hunting in Alaska, Canada and now will include Africa. I do not mind paying for a good hunt, but I don't want to be raped in the process.

I think the solution to the problem is to sell all the public land. Then the property owners will pay taxes and the local won't have anything to bitch about. Permits can be given to the landowners and they can sell them for what the market will bear. We could turn Arizona into another Texas where this works great!

Now you went and really done it M16-It is coming up in this session for discussion to allow for Ranching For Wildlife and to give landowner permits-but this already has a lot of opposition! And will probably never get off the ground! So we hope! More attacks on the Arizonans!

Redhawk, I wasn't trying to be racial in my post, and I certainly hope it did not come out that way. What I meant to bring out was the fact that prices like $25,000 for an elk hunt are not only ridiculous but patently outrageous, yet, there are people with more money than brains who will pay those prices.
As one who has had a more than common interest in history, I am quite cognizant of the way we treated the Native-Americans, a term BTW that I fine extremely offensive, coined by liberals to be divisive by it's very nature. Political correctness will be the the cause of destruction of this country.
I congratulate you on you success and hope all your hunts will be good ones. Thanks to Taulman, I won't consider calling him Mr., any chance of getting a decent trophy deer or elk has now been made impossible. Being retired and on a fixed income makes out of state hunts another impossibility. Africa? Only if I win the damn lottery.
Paul B.

Whew!, took me awhile to get through this one!!!

Redhawk, if fee disparity is your bitch here, then I think it is relevant to bring up the fees that the reservations are charging, this is not meant to be a race issue or anything like that, I could really care less. If you are not a member (read, non- resident) then you will pay $15,000 for bull elk, if you are a member, I believe it is only a couple of hundred dollars. If you want to sound off about fee disparity, this would be the place to start.

Paul B, I agree with you 100% I think all the fee's need to be knock back to reality. There is a lot of animals I will not get to hunt, not that I can't afford them but I refuse to spend that kind of money. Such as a Grizzly bear hunt in Alaska from $10,000 to $15,000 and Big horn sheep. I do not mind paying for a guide if it is a fare price for a fair days work. That is why I have been doing self-guided hunts in Alaska for Animals that don't require a guide. I can do two self guided hunts for Caribou in Alaska for the piece of one guided hunt in AZ. Talk about crazy. My group has canceled our hunt through USO to AZ, it just seemed like by the time we got to hunt, or even if we got to hunt the cost would be outrageous. We are heading back to Alaska for Caribou and Wolf in the Aortic circle instead. I am glad you clarified what you had wrote, I was just gun shy from the other racial comments posted in my direction. I enjoy having a conversation with someone that can have different opinions but not get personal. Thanks and good hunt to you also. I hope all this can be resolved in a win-win situation and we all can get back to what we love "Hunting"

Stark, I agree it is outrageous and should be changed.

If Arizona didn't have the reputation for producing record qaulity bulls we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. When people talk about hunting in Arizona, I guess they all imagine shooting that once in a lifetime record bull. So everyone puts in for a tag. Then they started complaing cause they couldn't get drawn for a elk tag and I guess the USO relized hey if we can get more tags for non-resident we coat our pockets with more money cause there are some people who don't care how much they will pay for a guided elk hunt for there once in a lifetime record bull elk hunt. For example how much did that guy pay for his Bighorn sheeep tag last year in Oregon I think it was well $50,000.00 for a Bighorn sheeep tag that is crazy. There are people out there who will pay the prices Arizona wants to put into effect and the USO knows if a guy pays that much for a tag, that person will want a guide service to help them cash in on this. I agree with Redhawk I rather go to Alaska hunt Caribou or even to Mexico and hunt there big desert mulies and couse deer.
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