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He said he would leave the 8x57 "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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I find it hard to believe that Craig didn't condemn some of the new Fat Boys on the block. They would appear to offer little new in the way of performance. As to some of the old favorites, well I for one think that the .257 Rob, and the .358 Win should last another millenium. Hey, what do I know?   Member NRA, SCI- Life #358 28+ years now! DRSS, double owner-shooter since 1983, O/U .30-06 Browning Continental set. | |||
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He also said he would keep the 250 Savage.... | ||
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7mm STW? He must not like Lane Simpson. Or maybe Shooting Times pissed him off at some time. Maybe we should just repackage it as the 7mm G&A. None of the fat boys, of course not, Winchester is still advertising them as something we all need in our lives. What a retard. I see some damn good cartridges on the list. Who the hell is he to decide what is no longer needed. I think MSSG Maj Col First Class CDR Brig Gen Boddington, USMC/USMCR is no longer needed as a gun rag writer. ------------------------------------ Originally posted by BART185 I've had another member on this board post an aireal photograph of my neighborhood,post my wifes name,dig up old ads on GunsAmerica,call me out on everything that I posted. Hell,obmuteR told me to FIST MYSELF. But you are the biggest jackass that I've seen yet, on this board! -------------------------------------- -Ratboy | |||
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Did he say "get rid of the 7stw" or "leave it to the handloaders where it belongs?" I found his overall message sort of unclear in this area. Seems like some cartridges need to just disappear while others are OK so long as there's no factory ammo, just leave them to the handloaders. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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Only because he wants the brass  | |||
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Just checking to make sure you're awake!  | |||
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He really went down a lot in my book by putting the 7X57 on there. What gunwriter worth his skin would put the 275 rigby on that list. So it was good enough for Bell but not for Boddington. What a jerk. | |||
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Yep, Apparently he is not much of a mauser fan either since he has virtually everything that is an intermediate length on the chopping block as well, (with the exception of 8X57 for brass, what a schmuck!) Although I agree with some of what he said I also think he is way off base in other aspects. Oh well, good thing for us he is just a wannabe cartridge god for a day. | |||
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With about 3 or 4 exceptions, this whole thread is composed of people who have little reading comprehension. Boddington isn't recommending that your pet be relegated to obsolescence....he's recommending that commerical manufacturers not waste their time producing them, but expend their energy and resources producing rounds that truly meet public demand. My pets are on his list also.......not one of them satisfactory in commercial guise. My list would be longer than his. GV | |||
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Who are the exceptions? Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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Guys Come on think about it, the whole premise is just stupid. Sure we could get by with only a couple of good cartridges but what fun would that be? How much does producing ammo for 6.5X55's strain the ammo producers? They only produce ammo that will sell so somebody is using it! As a gunwriter Boddington should be praising new guns and cartridges as well as the older ones, more subject matter to write about. | |||
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I find the whole primise of dropping lines of ammo leading to better guns and ammo by the big gun and ammo manufactures hard to swallow anyway. Come on, they have dropped cartridges in the past and will do so in the future but I doubt any of this would lead to better quality anything. I for one just can't see any of them saying "O.K., now that we've gotten rid of that burden we can focus on better quality. More likely in my mind it would be in the name of cutbacks instead. JMHO | |||
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I'm very sorry, but this so called "journalist's" article needs to be done away with. What dribble. These cartridges are part of our history and simply because they do not live up to the wiz bang cartridges of today is no reaon to do away with them. They have earned a place here, not in the trash heap. Manufactures should be encouraged to produce rifles, brass, and factory loads for these rounds. Many of todays best rounds come from ideas garnered from these cartridges. I suppose by his reasoning the 22lr should be discontinued. As far as the .270win being to big or small for elk or Mule deer, bull. The whole post and article belong in the obsolete pile, as far as I can see. | |||
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Jarrod: I always felt that you were a good judge of horses and women - and now I know it!  You are correct about the 7x57, an old favorite of mine in my hunting days.(I do give Craig Boddington credit for courage. He, an old African hunter, is condemning a cartridge used by many of his peers in Africa. Wasn't there someone of the old timers who used a 7x57 regularly on lion?) | |||
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I think we should do away with no cartridge ever Some where someone has a real reason for each cart. ever developed. I believe gun writers get paid to stir the pot  If you like it shoot it if you dont shut yer pie hole!! | |||
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I buy some of my components from Midway. They don't even carry any brass or ammo for the 358 Winchester any more. I was a little surprised. | |||
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You're right on all counts. I don't recall his saying "Get rid of these calibers," but rather "Cease production of factory loads." As long as the makers produce brass, I could care less if they continue to produce wimpy loads in MY favorites. I have to hand load to get performance anyway, so what the heck!  Regards, WE | |||
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Boddington deserves some (but not all) of the heat for this article. Keep in mind that he did tell us the rules up front. "The first rule is: Don't write me about this story. Write the editor instead, because it was his idea." I agree with other posters in pointing out that the whole thesis of the article is worthless. I would rather take a crap on the editor for suggesting the article in the first place. He loaded the gun - Boddington just pulled the trigger . | |||
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I personally think he was on the right track for the most part. If anybody read the article he plainly stated he was talking about factory ammo. A large number of the cartridges he talked about are mostly hadloaded numbers these days anyway. I've got several of the cartridges he mentions and I have to handload for them because the factory ammo just doesn't cut it. My 30-40 Krag was originally sighted for the 220 gr round nose and that factory load has not been available for 30 years or more. If I want the rifle to function like it was designed for, I have to handload. Lots of other old cartridges are downloaded by the ammo companies and we simply have to handload if we want to have them operate at peak efficiency. The man didn't state that he wanted all the old rifles to go away, he simply stated that the ammo companies need to streamline their offerings. It actualy makes pretty good busines sense. How much money do they actually make on some of these old warhorses? Just my .2 cents worth. Mac | |||
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Who cares how Boddington prefaced this article: IT IS STILL JUNK!!! Happy New Year, Tom | |||
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Tom 1911: I agree with your post whole heartidly! You know I just do not see ANY benefit of this negative artcile what so ever. The 222 Remington was and IS one of the finest most accurate and useful cartridges ever made! It has been this way for 56 years now! And I am sure it will be performing for and pleasing those that shoot it for 56 more years! Mr. "aloof" will be long gone by then - and overall, maybe thats a good thing for Riflemen. boddington's bit of negative drivel here does not impress, inform or instruct me in any way shape or form! A waste. Long live ALL the cartridges on his misguided and negative list. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy | |||
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"....it is a wonderful little varmint cartridge and still a darling of the serious benchrest crowd. Although it has a slightly smaller case, its performance is so close to the .223 Remington as to be indistinguishable in the field." "It is unquestionably a more inherently accurate cartridge than the .223--but it usually requires good handloads to see any appreciable difference. Whether it's loaded by the factories or not it will remain alive in benchrest circles, where factory loads aren't a player." | |||
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Man can you write one stupid post without writing long live something or another?? Is that possible for you? "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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....but how could anyone improve on y'all's beloved Mauser actions? Bill | |||
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I don't think any of them should be "gotten rid of". I think you oughta just choose the ones you like and have at it. Why in heck would you care what the next guy likes? Bill | |||
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Life is boring without choices , keep what you have and open your minds to what others use . How about taking the list compare it to meat in the freezer ? I know there would be some steaks missing from mine without some of those cartridges . If anyone feels like handing over any rifle thats chambered in any calibre on the list , please contact me . I Might Be Tired From Hunting , But I Will Never Tire Of Hunting . | |||
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I also posted this under gun writers we could do without...... I let the magazine that carried the Craig Boddington article how I felt. This is the response I received ------------ It's interesting that I've received 3 or 4 comments complaining about this "Craig Boddington" article which was written by Jon Sundra. There must be a discussion forum out there spreading the wrong byline. Sorry you didn't take the article in the light it was written - one man's opinion on the cartridges HE would not load if he was going to start a new ammunition company. J. Lee Editor Thought you might be interested. | |||
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I seem to recall that both writers did articles on this subject. In digging through all my gun rags that are laying around in disarray, the only one I found was by the IMHO idiot Sundra. in the Nov/Dec 2005 issue of Rifleshooter. I consider him an idiot because way back in the 1960s IIRC, he wrote that the 30-06 was a has been and would soon be made obsolete by his favorite 7MMs. Seems to me, that cartridge that has made to to be 100 years old and is still arguably one of the most popular rounds ever cannot be a has been nor obsolete. When I get time, I'll have to do some more digging for gthe one by Boddington. seems to me, that if so many of us think he wrote such an article, it just might be so. Paul B. | |||
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My inquiry to Mr. Lee asking for clarification of this issue received this response. GV Thanks for the mail. Someone sent me a similar message yesterday, perhaps the same forum member. The Craig Boddington article, "Cartridges We Can Live Without," is one that is archived on the Rifle Shooter website and was published in the magazine four years ago (Jan/Feb 2002.) A similar article by Jon Sundra, "Cartridges I Would Junk," ran in the Nov/Dec 2005 issue. Sundra's article generated several letters that mentioned him by name (one of which was published in the Jan/Feb "Mailroom") and I assumed all of the reader feedback was in reference to his article. None of the letters or emails made any reference to the Rifle Shooter website. Several mentioned Craig Boddington but I didn't make the connection to a four-year-old article and incorrectly assumed that some forum or blog was stirring up the issue with the wrong byline. Again, thanks for the feedback. Jerry Lee Editor | |||
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jarrod: YOU are showing your ass again. Compared to your snide, baseless, meritless, pointless and immature posting - my pertinent, well written and pointed post is a work of art! Long live shallow people like yourself who provide so much fun and sport for everyone else! He-he. Hold into he wind VarmintGuy | |||
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I guess all those itty bitty bench rest groups turned in by the Duece over the last 60 years don't rate very high with General Bod. | |||
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GranView, I received the same "clairification" from Mr. Lee also........ | |||
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Eliminate the 6mm Rem? That's just crazy! | |||
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What Craig is saying is do away with factory "loading" of these cartridges. How many of you guys really buy the stuff off the shelf. I sure don't. Some of the cartriges I like are on the list but I have whats called a "reloader" that means I can make my own ammo. Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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Gentlemen (term applied loosely in some cases), I get really tired of some of you calling me a jerk (and worse), but I guess it goes with the territory . . . After all, at least part of the time my editors pay me to be a jerk. Like with the story in question! Just a couple thoughts: No left-handed shooter has a vested interest in classic Mauser actions or the cartridges designed for them! I happen to personally love the 7x57, but the 7mm-08 is ballistically identical, and it's much more commercially viable and scaled to a whole lot more modern actions. Take your pick. As noted, I got my daughter a 7mm-08--but when a proper-sized left-hand Mauser action became available, I chose the 7x57 for myself. I'm not a manufacturer, so I can afford to indulge in nostalgia, as can all other handloaders. As for the 7mm STW, Layne and I are good friends and, after all, Shooting Times is owned by the same company I work for . . . Some folks clearly have much too much time on their hands! Always appreciate the kinds words from some of you, and wish you all good shooting! Regards, Craig | |||
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Craig Glad you weighed in, I repectfully disagree with you in a few cases. Certain classic cartridges, 7X57 and 300 H&H to name two, deserve to be preserved if only because of their historical significance. They are a link between us and the fabled past. Also, even in their anemic modern loadings they work pretty damn well. I don't think that you are a jerk, just wrong. I say get rid of any round that that looks like me; short and fat TerryR | |||
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Craig's article should be titled "Cartridges I Can Live Without" I want them all available. I'm not about to give up my .264 Win Mag. | |||
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You could make an argument for just about any cartridge out there. Do we really need the 280 when we have the 270?  Do well really need all of those 30 cals when so many of them are within 100 FPS of each other? Not really...but hey..picking what you want is half the fun! Keep em all!! | |||
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"Keep em all" is the very essence of every rifleman that has ever lived regardless or race, greed, or colour. | |||
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