Study shows lead from bullet fragments in venison can be absorbed into bloodstream, cause risk of lead exposure
by Ted Williams
Fly Rod & Reel.com
Mon, 04/27/2009

BOISE, Idaho – New research shows that people are risking exposure to lead by eating venison from game animals that were killed with traditional lead-based rifle bullets and processed under normal procedures, according to a joint study by The Peregrine Fund, Washington State University, and Boise State University.

The peer-reviewed study was published online today by the Public Library of Science journal PLoS One and is available at

Lead Bullet Fragments in Venison from Rifle-Killed Deer: Potential for Human Dietary Exposure

“We interpret the absorption of lead into the bloodstream of our test animals as clear evidence that humans can absorb lead from ingested bullet fragments,” said Grainger Hunt, lead author of the study.

This research challenges recent claims by the sport-shooting industry that lead in venison harvested with traditional ammunition poses no health risk to people who consume game meat. Primary prevention by harvesting game animals with lead-free alternatives to lead bullets is the most certain way to avoid lead exposure, Hunt said.

The dangers of lead to human health have been known since Roman times, but research in the last 10 years has shown that blood lead levels formerly regarded as trivial can have debilitating and often irreversible effects. Among these are intellectual and behavioral damage in children, including fetuses exposed before birth. Effects on older people include impaired motor function, kidney disease, cancer, and heart disease.

More than a decade of work by The Peregrine Fund in Arizona to recover the endangered California Condor revealed that lead residue from bullets used to hunt game is the most frequent cause of death in wild condors. When Peregrine Fund researchers saw hundreds of lead fragments in x-rays of rifle-killed deer they wondered if people eating venison might be consuming lead as well.

In the current study, they used x-rays to look for lead bullet fragments in packaged venison from 30 deer shot with traditional lead bullets. Each deer had been taken to a different commercial meat processor. To simulate human consumption of the venison, the researchers then fed samples of the processed meat to test animals and monitored subsequent changes in blood lead concentration. Pigs were used as human surrogates for these experiments because of biological similarities to the human digestive tract.

Four pigs were fed venison that had tested positive for bullet fragments, and four received venison without fragments from the same deer. Average blood lead concentrations in pigs that consumed meat with bullet fragments peaked at 2.3 micrograms per deciliter just two days after the meal. That was significantly higher than the pigs that ate fragment-free venison, whose blood lead levels averaged 0.6 micrograms per deciliter.

Lead is mistaken by the human body for calcium and replaces it in nerve tissue, organs, and eventually in bone. During pregnancy, lead stored in bone may be released along with calcium, thereby exposing fetuses. Release of bone lead may again occur late in life, and evidence now suggests that this toxic material may be associated with cognitive difficulties among the elderly.

Since 1991, the Centers for Disease Control has required medical intervention for children whose blood lead levels exceed 10 micrograms per deciliter. However, recent studies associate as little as 2 micrograms per deciliter with impaired cognitive function in children, as well as increased risk of cardiovascular problems in adults. In 2005 the CDC acknowledged that there is no “safe” lower threshold level for blood lead in young children and stressed the importance of preventing childhood exposures to lead. The CDC’s 1991 benchmark is out of date, according to toxicologists who proposed a new benchmark of 2 micrograms per deciliter in 2006.

“It is conceivable that deer-hunting families attain higher lead levels with frequent consumption of venison,” Hunt said. “Lead bullet fragments were patchily distributed in the meat, so a person eating a single venison burger may or may not get a dose – it’s a game of Russian Roulette. The more often they eat venison the higher the odds they will be exposed to lead.”

Ammunition lead has been found at elevated levels in the blood of subsistence hunters and their families in Greenland and Canada where game meat is a regular part of the diet, and a 2008 CDC study in North Dakota found average blood lead concentrations of game consumers were statistically higher than a comparison group that did not eat game meat.

Of particular concern are the frequent beneficiaries of food donations, many of whom are already at risk from lead paint exposure in older low-income housing.

Several state Health Departments have recommended that children under 6 years old and women of child-bearing age should not eat venison killed with lead bullets, and urge all consumers to take precautions. A list of lead-free ammunition is available on the web at: http://www.azgfd.com/pdfs/w_c/...ors/Non-LeadAmmo.pdf

For more information:

2008 CDC Study in North Dakota of Lead Exposure in Game Consumers

wonder what brand of ammo they tested.. ballistic tips?

would bonded core bullets change things?

did 24 hours of pig fasting before feeding them the meat make them absorb more lead?

so many questions... I hope one of the researchers reads this forum.

am I really destine to have stupid kids? I ate venison growing up and I don't seem to be doing so bad.

There is one hell of a difference between a pig eating food and a human eating food. The human animal, while chewing discovers a hard particle in it food and spits it out. The swine, inhales it's food and doesn't think "hey that bit was hard and doesn't belong there".

A better study would have been to find the average size of the lead particles and simulate the lead with something else that would show up in blood or urine. Have humans eat the venison with the lead substitute, and find out how much how much actualy gets by the very picky human.

Hell I've been picking out lead BBs out of dove, quail, turkeys for many years, and usually cut out any venison that is likely to have bullet fragments in it. I'd like to see a pig do that!

Simply more of the skinner ultra-leftist radical-liberal

The Center for Disease Control looked back through all their data and could not find even a single incident of a person(man, woman, or child) who died from eating Lead in Game meat, nor could they find even " one " person who ever became sick from it.

Let that sink in - No problems at all.

and can you believe that people get PAID for writing this foreign matter. That is what education will do for you. Big bridge between being educated and being intelligent.

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Gee, all of us are missing out on a good thing. We should be able to scrounge gut piles for lead.
Then according to the touchy-feely crowd there are tons and tons of WW's along the roads. Walk a mile with a bucket and get a lifetime supply, funny I have only found 3 or 4 in my life from an accident or some lady rolling off a curb.
I can understand donated meat having lead in it because the butcher just does not care and all is run through a grinder.
I take care of my meat and have removed lead shot all my life and sure will not eat one.
So what if a pig eats lead! Seems as if there are too many running loose. I wonder why they have not outlawed swine flu!!!!
Not to worry, soon owning a gun and hunting will go the way of the Dodo, back door gun control is here to stay.
Next will be that you can't shoot someone that breaks into your home with a lead boolit. Might give the jerk lead poisoning!

Well, get ready for it, because we know what's coming next don't we??

They intended to ban all ammunition anyway, starting with lead; this'll be cited for evidence.

I predict the whole Demagogue Socialist Party media propaganda machine will immediately fall in lock-step with this concocted "research" and will relentlessly trumpet and dwell at length on such a "shocking new scientific finding". And they'll even do it with a straight face. Then the public will be deemed properly prepared for it and the ban will be announced.

These type "studies" have absolutely nothing to do with science; any resemblances between them and science are purely coincidental. They are about idealogy only.

And not to turn this into purely a political thread, but for the benefit of anyone not following the news, yesterday we lost even the theoretical possibility of a fillibuster in Congress to stop them when they flipped Arlen Specter.

We're now facing loss of gun ownership, loss of private healthcare, loss of the education system, and apparently they want to set up a national police security force. If they want to impeach the supreme court justices who sided with the 2nd Amendment, do you realize they can now do it and very well may? If they want to pass laws making it a crime for anyone to criticize them, they can now do that too. If they want 80% tax rates, there's nothing there to stop it. If they want to turn the country upside down to fix a problem that doesn't exist, like so called global warming, no one's there to stop them. If they want to start the process of abolishing the land title system, that too will be the fulfillment of an old, old socialist dream...the fulfillment of the words to their favorite song, "Imagine", as in imagine a world without possessions. And what happens now if they think they can get away with a one party state? They live for this stuff and it's straight out of 1917 Russia.

Can anyone here remember the last time in history America faced a more dangerous threat to our liberty?

We've got bigger things to concern ourselves with right now than our own usual enjoyable gun chatter.

Thar's nuttin rong wid me cause I are a brane surjon. I bin eatin moose & cariboo fer all me life that I shot. Yup - methinks said study be nuttin but BS.
Bear in Fairbanks

We can't keep ducking our heads in the sand.

The vast predominance of evidence suggests that eating game can result in elevated blood levels of lead. The clinical significance of these elevated levels, if any, is less certain. The only concern I would have is the effects on pregnant women and young children.

This simply is not "left wing BS", but is grounded in science. After all, is this really so hard to believe? Eating lead---->increased lead levels. Duh!

Wes

"The Peregrine Foundation" and some of it's members were instrumental in the lead bullet ban in regions of California, claiming condors were being poisoned eating lead bullet fragment contaminated game shot by hunters but unrecovered, or from the gut piles. I've searched for data that supports California Condors found dead of lead poisoning, yet haven't found any such data or photos to date.

The South Dakota dentist that initially brought this to the attention of the public had x-ray photos that he had done in his office that "proved" lead fragments were distributed throughout the body. This same dentist is a member of the Peregrine Foundation. I've seen these images and I find it hard to believe that what I was seeing was truthful.

How can a roast from a hindquarter have lead fragments when it was shot through the front shoulder? Plus, there was only one view of the chunk of meat, which showed white specks which I assume was purported to be fragmented lead. What I wanted to see, but haven't yet is a side view of that same piece of meat, showing that the lead was actually imbedded into the meat, and not simply sprinkled on top of the meat, then x-rayed.

I also wonder the validity of a study funded by an organization that if not actively anti-hunting, is ambivilent to hunting at best?

Think about this. How long have hunters been killing game with lead bullets? In days gone by, people lived on the game that was shot, and this was done with pretty soft lead projectiles. Effects of lead poisoning have been known for a long time, but why is it only now that it has become a problem?

This stuff is so ridiculous I don't like dignifying it by taking it seriously enough to even discuss it. I frankly take it for granted that anyone who actually is a hunter knows better.

But, be that as it may I've been shooting and eating for about half a century deer, ducks, geese, rabbit, squirrel, dove, turkey, pheasant, woodcock et al. In dux alone it's been way over 1K. Nearly everyone I'm related to or am close friends with has either done the same or has consistently eaten meat taken by us who hunt. And frankly this so called study would draw laughs from them if we hadn't all fallen under the axe politically. Obviously nobody is any the worse for our dietary habits. We actually had an uncommonly good venison pot roast tonight - the wife is the best wild game cook in town IMO. She should have been in the restaurant business. Probably could have made a lot of money.

So this stuff doesn't get to first base with me or anyone I consider to know anything about hunting or the cleaning of game or about food generally or about cooking food for that matter. Besides that, what is the typical shot taken on deer? It's one copper jacketed bullet from the side with complete penetration and out the other side. Any idea that there's lead remaining to eat is just plain goofy. That being the case, one has to look elsewhere for the explanation for this latest attack on hunting and see it for what it rather obviously is.

Now, one thing I do find rather interesting about it, is that it appears the language used to support this nonsense sounds quite familiar. So is the lack of citation to any sources. That's QUITE telling.

You get the unauthenticated assertion stated as if everybody already believes it. Then we jump to the supposed remedy for an ill that doesn't exist. This country has had so many things put over on it for so many decades using these same terms and subtle mind control tactics that I know what's coming next by heart.

May I quote it for you? Here we go - "the vast predominace of evidence strongly supports the conclusion that eating game killed with lead bullets does in fact cause elevated blood levels of lead. This is a most serious public health concern that puts the families of hunters directly at risk including women, children, elderly and the disadvantaged. It has also been linked to increased levels of CO2 discharge and is suspected by some in the scientific community to further endanger our delicate ecosystems and it is entirely possible that all plant and wildlife diversity are being compromised as well. Unlike the previous administration this Congress and White House care and are hard at work finding a solution for this impending public health crisis. We find that the risk of ducking our heads in the sand and doing nothing greatly outweighs the inconsequential inconvenience to the statistically insignificant few misguided individuals who apparently take pleasure in killing what they call game animals. Therefore we as a caring nation must immediately recall all lead based sporting ammunition".

Is that about how it's gonna read??

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This stuff is so ridiculous I don't like dignifying it by taking it seriously enough to even discuss it. I frankly take it for granted that anyone who actually is a hunter knows better.

And therein is a problem, if you don't read the studies and then discuss the issue you can't hold an educated and informed opinion.

You don't believe lead cored bullets fragment upon hitting hide, flesh and bone at 2800fps ?

Never found a bullet jacket separated from the lead core ?

I can't believe you've hunted and killed much if you haven't.

What happens to the lead in the core ? Does it magically disappear or do the fragments travel through flesh and viscera.

Do you think any of your pontifications will stand up to scrutiny in a legislative hearing or in a Federal court deciding an endangered species case where the ingestion of lead fragments by the species concerned is at issue and may be ruled a 'taking' ?

I don't, and I've seen it fail on this issue.

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You get the unauthenticated assertion stated as if everybody already believes it

How would you know what is or is not 'authentic' when you "don't like dignifying it by taking it seriously enough to even discuss it" ?

Better drop the indignation and educate yourself.

I'm not interested in studying something that on its face is absurd. For the same reason I don't take seriously or study the Sasquatch, crop rings or extra-terrestrials. That doesn't mean those are impossible and it doesn't mean others don't take them quite seriously. But they still ain't stopping at my shop.

Understand, I'm not saying the proponents of this won't win. That will be their easy part based on many hundreds of political issues of all types imaginable I've seen the wrong side win on in this country from the presidential election of 1960 forward. At the present time the bottom rail of the body politic is firmly on top so it'll be easy going.

I'm just telling you I'm not a good sales prospect. I've seen way too much of this. Now, with the numbers here being what they are, it's likely even a cinch there are at least a very few who are gullible and naive. Try peddling this to them.

But I ain't buying it and my vote's not up for grabs either.

Guys,

my children and us eat a lot of venison and wild boar, probably more than regular beef and pork.

If there is indeed scientific evidence with a certain expectation regarding it's reliability, I will seriously consider to change from my beloved Nosler Partitions to Barnes TSX or the German Jaguar bullets.

Why take the risk? Only because the antis once more have hijacked this issue? They kill well, price is the same and precision seems to be a little better.

Best regards and good hunting.

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Guys,

my children and us eat a lot of venison and wild boar, probably more than regular beef and pork.

If there is indeed scientific evidence with a certain expectation regarding it's reliability, I will seriously consider to change from my beloved Nosler Partitions to Barnes TSX or the German Jaguar bullets.

I believe that it is a fairly simple matter to have their doctor test the lead levels in their blood. They do it here at certain ages.

Well, the kids might not see it as simple as they will need to draw the blood.

A test might set your mind at ease.

Charles,

the setup of he study seems to be reasonable; under certain circumstances and when consuming relatively large amounts of venison there seems to be a certain risk of lead poisoning, even though at a low level.

Why shouldn't I just change to copper bullet if they shoot&kill just as well? I agree that it somehow hurts to give in to that kind of political pressure...

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I'm not interested in studying something that on its face is absurd.

Sorry but that statement is itself absurd. Refusing to do the reading and research required to have an informed opinion doesn't give you credibility here.

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I've seen way too much of this.

Not as much as I have, not even close.

Get up the courage and do the reading, be prepared to discover that you're arguments are pretty weak.

And are we to ban the lead handling required to handload bullets and shotshells? And are we being told we can't melt lead anymore to mold our own projectiles? And what about lead shot that routinely gets chewed on when it shows up in small game? None of this has ever been considered a health issue up to just now. Well, with the exception of the well known dental problems...biting on lead shot's bad enough, but just try biting down accidentally on a piece of steel shot. It doesn't give. Think cracked teeth.

Anyway, if this is bothering someone that much, why not cut away the part of the deer the bullet passed thru and clean up and rinse out the body cavities? The butchers I've dealt with do that automatically.

Theory is just that..and often with a heavy political agenda and sometimes a gov't grant at stake. I'm still waiting to hear the practical first hand reports based on actual experience.

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I'm still waiting to hear the practical first hand reports based on actual experience.

How would you hear of any of it when you close yourself off to any and all information, which is what you've clearly stated is your policy.



You're providing a list of excuses that have all been aired before.

But you've avoid discussing why it is not possible that a human eating venison containing lead bullet fragments can not absorb that lead into their bloodstream.

Nor did you address the reality that lead core bullets can and do fragment when impacting hide, flesh and bone. Fragments that can and do travel through and deposit in meat and viscera that you or others would consume.

Do you have new information that disproves the voluminous findings of the scientific community that lead is a toxin ?

Or do you just have an uninformed opinion based on nothing but your personal feelings and ideological beliefs.

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Charles,

the setup of he study seems to be reasonable; under certain circumstances and when consuming relatively large amounts of venison there seems to be a certain risk of lead poisoning, even though at a low level.

Why shouldn't I just change to copper bullet if they shoot&kill just as well? I agree that it somehow hurts to give in to that kind of political pressure...

I am not 100% happy with the all-copper bullets I have used in deer and hog hunting, although I have not used the newest iterations. That said, there is no reason not to use them if you want to and are happy with them. I suspect we will be forced to them here eventually.

The lead test might help allay any fears you have as to the current health of your children. Your doctor could better advise you on that.

Edit: I do wonder how our ancestors made it without all the innovations we have to keep us safe. Of course I know that not all of them did in fact make it. We certainly have utilized the newer developments to keep our kids safer (car seats for example).

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I do wonder how our ancestors made it without all the innovations we have to keep us safe. Of course I know that not all of them did in fact make it. We certainly have utilized the newer developments to keep our kids safer (car seats for example).

LOL, it's amazing that I've lived as long as I have. I grew up drinking water from a garden hose outside, not purified water from a bottle. I played on dangerous playground equipment like monkey bars, teeter/totters and merry go rounds, spinning until I was dizzy and fell off! I rode a bicycle without a helmet and even skateboarded on a home-made skateboard without helmet, knee and elbow pads. I grew up eating birds and animals killed with lead shot/bullets, pulled carrots from the ground, wiped them off and ate them, dirt and all. Soap and water were used only when Mom made me clean up and I don't ever remember her having anti-bacterial soaps and sprays. I had a pocket knife, a hatchett and a bb-gun from the time I was five years old. I rode all the way from Milwaukee Wisconsin to Mobridge South Dakota several times lying in the back window of a 1949 Ford! I used to swim in rivers and ponds, drink milk straight from the bulk tank. I rode horses, (and cows and pigs as long as Dad didn't catch me) without protective gear and played with fireworks.

It's amazing I lived to have my own kids, then to make matters even more amazing, my kids were raised the way I was and they went on to survive childhood and give me seven grandkids!

Yes, lead poisoning is a bad problem, but I think in this case, it is being blown all out of proportion by some groups promoting their own hidden agenda in the guise of public safety.

A leftist organization publishing a study that supports their views in a 'peer reviewed' journal no one has heard of and it flies in the face of work done by the CDC ( who aren't known for their balanced approach either!).

Who'd a thunk it?

Not to mention the fact that the CDC and FDA testing actually showed that lead levels in people who consume game meat actually have lower lead levels than people who ate exclusively store bought packaged/processed meat.

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A leftist organization publishing a study

How do you know the Peregrine Fund is 'leftist' ?

They were founded by falconers and that's still who they are. Their concern is for raptors which are impacted by lead ingestion.

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Not to mention the fact that the CDC and FDA testing actually showed that lead levels in people who consume game meat actually have lower lead levels than people who ate exclusively store bought packaged/processed meat.

Not quite true, but you'd have to read the studies and the comments by the CDC and the North Dakota Dept. Of Health to know that, as opposed to just gleaning a biased interpretation of the data from a hunting mag.

The CDC/NDDOH study did find a correlation between increased blood lead levels and recent consumption of venison.

From the NDDOH Blood Lead Level Study Results Fact Sheets

[URL=] "in the study, people who ate a lot of wild game tended to have higher lead levels than those who ate little or none. The study also showed that the more recent the consumption of wild game harvested with lead bullets, the higher the level of lead in the blood.
Wild game is not the only or most important risk factor for human lead exposure; however, the study findings suggest that it is one important risk factor."[/URL]

The NDDOH has also stated that the NSSF is misusing the data in their interpretations.

So which of you can prove that the ingestion of lead fragments contained in venison will not be absorbed into the bloodstream after consumption and result in a detectable higher blood lead level ?

I just went to the Peregrine Fund site and read over a listing of their papers since about 2000. To be perfectly honest, they really do seem to be focused on raptors. They don't appear to be anti-hunting in any way, aside from the lead issue, which seems to be a big deal for them.

I think their studies need additional review, but they don't appear anti-hunting in their terminology, etc.

http://www.peregrinefund.org/press.asp

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...The CDC/NDDOH study did find a correlation between increased blood lead levels and recent consumption of venison. ...

That exact same group of people was also known to have consumed - water!!!

More skewed to fit the agenda of making shooting and Hunting so expensive that a lot of folks will have to quit. Nothing complex about their goal once you understand.

Hey analog, It is not only what they say, it is also what the bird-boys leave out as skinner did above. You have to look beyond the "crafted" words to see the real intent.

Makes a person wonder how the birdys ever survived when Lead was being flung around all over the place - unless you understand their goal.

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So which of you can prove that the ingestion of lead fragments contained in venison will not be absorbed into the bloodstream after consumption and result in a detectable higher blood lead level ?

Classic. Straight out of the playbook. "Prove a negative". That's exactly what it's called. Usually you hear that more with the so-called "climate crisis".

That kind of tactic has to be taught and learned, like others. "Reduce to the absurd" is another. So is "repetition". You know, repeat something false enough times and gullible people will believe it. The way repetition works with "issues" like this is, it serves the intended purpose to simply get it talked about so that the false assertion is repeated again and again each time.

"Prove a negative" is closely related also to "issue creation". You know what that is? Lawyers, politicians and special interest political groups who don't otherwise have a case invent a "fact" then build an entire campaign around it.

To what end? The obvious end. The acquisition of political power. That's when it becomes a "control issue". To use the climate again as an example, it then forms the basis of acquiring control over others, particularly the young, the vulnerable, the good hearted but naive and gullible, and particularly those regarded as swing voters.

So I'm quite proud to be in the company of those here who've shown the ability to see this for what it is and to question it. There's no other way if we're to maintain our freedom.

Amen Shack!

I too blame the mainstream media for much of the hysteria. They were quick to report on "lead poisoning" from hunter's bullets.

Yet, when other information came out that refuted the claims, the reports were conspicuously absent....

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More skewed bsflag to fit the agenda

And yet in your first post you presented CDC data as gospel. Now they're evil incarnate.

Still haven't learned much have you ?

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Classic. Straight out of the playbook. "Prove a negative".

It's a pretty straightforward question, will ingesting lead fragments contained in venison be absorbed into the bloodstream and result in elevated blood lead levels that are detectable.

The question of whether lead cored bullets fragment when impacting hide, flesh and bone at high velocity is also valid.

You need to start there.

Why the need to evade the questions and spin it with long winded ideological fantasy ?

It's really quite humorous to read the various responses and see the utter lack of ability to rationally discuss this issue.

Particularly when your arguments are failing.

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...And yet in your first post you presented CDC data as gospel. Now they're evil incarnate. ...

And here we go with skinner "skewing" what I said.

The trick to reading all the ultra-leftist radical-liberal is knowing they have ZERO intention of telling the truth. Once you grasp that, anytime you read their trash, like stuff from skinner, you know it is either posted with a "twist" to the truth, the actual truth is left out, or it is an outright lie.

Just that simple.
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Now they have DUK concerned for his children's welfare. That is skinner's intent, to plant the seed of doubt, get people to thinking Lead is somehow bad.

Reality is hundreds of years of people eating Game Killed with Lead and not a single person can be documented to have become sick in any way from it.

PT Barnum would be darn proud of skinner and the current fools in the White House.

A sucker is born every minute. - PT Barnum

Did anyone notice that the stated purpose of the study was:
"1. To determine whether an increase in blood lead levels (PbB) is associated with consumption of wild game"?

This was not a study to determine if game consumption increases lead levels. This was a study with the idea already firmly in mind that the lead levels were already increased.

I really don't see this as a scientific study to determine if people who eat game are at risk for health concerns from lead poisoning. Additionally, even by the lax standards applied here, they have failed to do so.

I also don't see how a paper presented at a conference hosted by a group with such a narrow agenda, the conference being held specifically convened for the presentation of the paper, could considered "peer reviewed."

From the Peregrine Fund's own website..."brought together professionals in wildlife and human health to share information on the toxic effects of this source of lead contamination"

Seems to me there was no "study" at all in the traditional sense of the word. The jury had already decided the verdict before the case was heard.

Sorry Skinner. I have never before called anyone out in this or any other forum, but I have to agree with Hot Core on this one. I raise the flag in your honor.

If you read the pig testing research on the Peregrine site (they fed game will lead fragments to pigs), it seems plausible. I'm hardly an expert and can't say whether the pig digestive system is the same as ours; but the test itself is reasonable on the surface.

I have no dog in this fight; but I did visit the site and read some of the papers.

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And here we go with skinner "skewing" what I said.

No need to 'skew' what you said when you make a claim that is not supported by the exact study you're attempting to reference.

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Sorry Skinner. I have never before called anyone out in this or any other forum

So present the science that would disprove the findings of the CDC/NDDOH blood lead level study that showed increased blood lead levels after recent consumption of game taken with lead bullets.

The study that is the subject of this thread appears to support the findings of the CDC/NDDOH.

Problem is that this information is inconvenient, and you guys lack the science to disprove it.

So you rely on political spin and personal attacks.

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Reality is hundreds of years of people eating Game Killed with Lead and not a single person can be documented to have become sick in any way from it.

If you'd researched the issue you'd know that you can't make that claim.

Again, do you think your arguments would hold up in a legislature or a Federal court ?

Just got x-rayed the other day doc was worried about cancer,polips,and toumors guess what nothing was there.No lead was found also.Good Luck

Its kinda like the lead shot that killed the ducks.I read the study in college about this.They fed the duck lead about 7 pounds of lead a day till they died.Its the same with TV now.You watch too much BS on cnn about the demirats you become one then later and you over dose and die.If you think lead in deer will kill you then dont breathe the air its full of crap.I have eaten deer and moose for 44 years asnd I am still kicking and I eat about 5 pounds a day sometime when I am really hungry.When I eat mcdonalds I am sick for days.I think they should study the crap there and see whats wrong with it.They just weant total control of hunting,guns and bullets.

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Originally posted by dgr416:
Its kinda like the lead shot that killed the ducks.I read the study in college about this.They fed the duck lead about 7 pounds of lead a day till they died.

I did quite a bit of research into this topic for two articles just before the USFWS banned the use of lead shot for waterfowl in 1991, but I never saw this "study."

I tried to find something on it online but didn't. Can you point in the right direction, such as who did it, when it was done or where it was done?

Only reason I ask about it is because any "study" to intentionally poison waterfowl was basically unnecessary. They had a real life study of thousands of birds in the wild dying from lead poisoning. A necropsy nearly always revealed ingested lead shot in their gizzards as the cause.

-TONY

"Ignorance can be cured; stupidity is forever."

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Originally posted by plainsman456:
Just got x-rayed the other day doc was worried about cancer,polips,and toumors guess what nothing was there.No lead was found also.Good Luck

I didn't see any smiley faces, but...this was meant to be humor, right?


"Ignorance can be cured; stupidity is forever."

Shof reported that the Dermatologist-perigrine fund speaker, was a doctor from South Dakota. That's wrong, and to defend my state I'm insisting that it's a doctor from NORTH Dakota making the claim of lead in donated venison.

I called in a Turn In Poachers claim to the GFP in North Dakota for wonton waste on this guy! Haven't heard anything on the claim yet!
Shotgun

Sorry about that Shotgun. I meant to type NORTH and because my parents are from Mobridge, I typed South.....