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My dad and little sister (19yrs old) went to New Mexico during the winter break Mt. Lion hunting. They were guiding a paying hunter, my 19yr old sister is quite a capable guide. They got snowed in and could not travel in any direction for several days. Finally the snow quit and they attempted to go hunting. They pulled up to an area where a rancher met them, they got out of the vehicles and heard a goat bleating in a highly distressed manner. At this point they did not have a hound on the ground yet and they were guiding a paying hunter. The goat, it seems, was in high distress over another goat that he could see being eaten at that very moment. My dad and sister disovered what the goat was visibly upset about when, at that very momement, a bobcat jumped up. The paying hunter shot the bobcat with a marlin 30-30. I do not know the type of bullet, kind of powder etc, please dont ask. It was at the report of the rifle that another cat jumped up, however this was no bobcat. This was a young male Mt. Lion. The Mt. Lion had done the killing and was doing most of the eating. The paying hunter (sorry I dont know his real name because I never met him)fired at the Mt. Lion and missed. The distance was estimated to be approximately 100yds. Paying hunter missed again and my sister, carrying a Ruger Security-Six .357 magnum, drew her weapon, aimed and fired. She hit the Mt. Lion in the abdominal area and it ran away. They tracked it over a short distance where they discovered it still alive and quite peeved at his current situation. He came toward them and Paying Hunter shot it with the aformentioned 30-30 and killed it. Technically, it's my sisters lion but they shared the kill. My dad, the rancher and the paying hunter were witness to the shot she put on him and, knowing my sister, I had no reason to doubt it. http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/Hossfly/Hunting/Kryslion.jpg http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/Hossfly/Hunting/Krysdad.jpg The Hunt goes on forever, the season never ends. I didn't learn this by reading about it or seeing it on TV. I learned it by doing it. | ||
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  Congratulations to your sister  -- did you get any larger pictures?------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Ryan, thank you for the story and a great big well done to your sister.  Member NRA, SCI- Life #358 28+ years now! DRSS, double owner-shooter since 1983, O/U .30-06 Browning Continental set. | |||
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Let me get this straight: your sister gutshot the client's cougar with a revolver at a hundred yards? Well gee, that's a helluva' story to celebrate to...  ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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How did those mules react to the mountain lion? | |||
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Charles, These are the only ones I have. Sorry about that. They were emailed to me, they arent mine. I appreciate you posting them. Thank you very much. Maxbear, Actually, the animals hadn't been unloaded at this point. They had just arrived at the ranch and hadn't even had time to unload the dogs when they heard the noise made by the goat. My dads mules are generally pretty good about gunfire though. Kamo Gari, Lets get this straighter. My sister hit a moving Mt. Lion at approximately 100yds with a 4 inch barreled revolver when a client had emptied his Marlin lever gun shooting at it. For clarification, we're talking about a moving target approximately the size of a medium sized dog. No small accomplishment for anyone, let alone a college co-ed. Said client had ran out of ammo and reloading was going to take considerable time. She did it, correctly, to stop the animal. She didn't claim the kill, she let it go to the client. Let not your jealousy of someone elses accomplishment cause you stress. The Hunt goes on forever, the season never ends. I didn't learn this by reading about it or seeing it on TV. I learned it by doing it. | |||
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That's some pretty good shootin. Your sister did good.  Elephant Hunter, Double Rifle Shooter Society, NRA Lifetime Member, Ten Safaris, in RSA, Namibia, Zimbabwe | |||
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Well said. Nate | |||
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OK, so now it's a *moving* cat at 100 yards with a handgun? Even better! The day I'm jealous of a person gut shooting an animal is the day I hang up my rifles. Your sister took a ridiculous low percentage shot and got lucky. Too bad the cat was on the other side of that atrocious decision to shoot. Disgusting disregard. Your sister should be ashamed. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Perhaps, Sir, it would be a low percentage shot for yourself . However, my sister has killed quite a few animals with that handgun including hogs, bobcat and coyotes. He is also quite skilled with her Colt .22lr revolver and her deer rifle. Luck, I can assure you played a very small part. She has been hunting since she was very little and is quite knowledgeable about shooting, hunting, wildlife etc. And of course it was "moving" target. A Mt. Lion being shot at isn't going to sit there and give you multiple opportunities to shoot at it again. Besides, as either Butch or Sundance said (i cant remember which one) "I can't hit it if it isn't moving". I am affraid, sir, that you are indeed showing signs of being a bit envious of someone doing something that you find either hard to believe or unwilling to accept. In either case, I invite you to agree to disagree and move on. The Hunt goes on forever, the season never ends. I didn't learn this by reading about it or seeing it on TV. I learned it by doing it. | |||
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Kamo Gari, I will side with you on this one! Brother may be proud of sister but it was still an idiotic shot to take, and on an immature (or at least young) lion to boot. Besides all that a guide shouldn't bge shooting a clients animal except in life and limb situations. If the client misses and runs out of ammo, well that is hunting isn't it! With a scoped handgun and a very steady rest perhaps, but that isn't the way he has described it here. | |||
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I have to say to Kamo and Scott . . . I WITH YOU on this. Will be the post one will find on some antis site saying that this is what a proud hunter does. Don't limit your challenges . . . Challenge your limits | |||
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My wife and I drew muzzleloader tags for elk, finally, after 6 years of trying. As we are the parents of two very young boys, we know it will be many years before we get the opportunity to hunt them again. After days of hunting, we finally got within range of two elk feeding in fairly open timber with some brush. The elk were broadside to us, grazing along right to left across our path. She had a good firm rest on an aspen in front of her. The elk were at 70 yards. The only open shot on a standing animal that was offered during the time the elk were in range was the rear 2/3 of the lead cow. I have known my wife for 15 years and we have been married for 13. In all the time I have known her, I am most proud of that shot on that elk hunting trip. She declined it, and we went home with empty coolers. Tim | |||
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Sorry you guys came home empty handed, but GOOD ON HER!  ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Guys, Now i don't know if this was true but this seems to be a lion that was depreadating livestock. I am assuming the goats were not bait. So if the above is true, I think there a few different rules may apply here Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I'd tend to agree if it were what you suggest--a depredation hunt involving an animal killing or harassing livestock--but the term he used repeatedly was 'paying hunter'. Is it legal to get a permit to kill a predator killing livestock from the state, then to sell said permit to some paying hunter? I strongly doubt it, but I don't know for certain. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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If theres one thing I have learned here on the www,it is our rules dont apply to texas.they can do damn near anything, and not only is it legal,but ethical,and your not a man if you dont see it that way. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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Snow on the ground a good pack of lion hounds. A live stock killing lion take the shot you get hit it about any place in those conditions the hounds would soon run it down. It wouldn't brother me a bit to gut shoot it. it well soon be dead. I would rather place one in the boiler room but if not oh well. You gut shoot a deer the guy on the next ridge kills with a good hit. Whose deer his it the gut shooters or the killing shot. | |||
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WTF? I thought this happened in New Mexico? Texas is spelled with a Capitol T asshole. | |||
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pdogshooter, Well my uncle says the same thing about white tail and whenever possible (state agreeing and issuing the necessary tags) we kill them in spades. It still doesn't excuse a stupid shot being taken! | |||
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Ok, it appears I kicked open a can of worms here and such was not my intention. My dad and sister were indeed guiding a paying hunter in New Mexico, with another guide. However, they happened upon a lion that had killed livestock, a goat specifically. The lion, at that point was the same as a coyote or a Russian boar that kills livestock. While it is not necessarily the lions fault that a slow, fat domestic animal was the easiest to kill, it was livestock nonetheless and cost a rancher/farmer money. Therefore the killing of the lion became more important than the method by which it was killed. That is to say, killing it by any legal means necessary. Did my sister make a risky shot? Yes she did. Did it pay off? Yes it did. Even if the lion hadn't been recovered it would still have stopped him from killing more goats or other livestock. I know my sister and she would not have done the same thing on an elk or a whitetailor any other typical "game" animal. And while a lion is technically a game animal, I would argue that this particular lion at this particular time had ceased being a game animal and was a predator. Would she do the same thing to a coyote or a feral hog? Absolutely. Also, it is important to know that I trust her shooting, and decision to shoot, more than a lot of men I have hunted with. She was born to this and raised doing it. She has hunted along beside my dad her entire life and hunting is part of who she is instead of something she does. jb, Part of the reason that the laws of other places do not apply in Texas is because so much of it is private land and various rules would not apply here or be tolerated. some states do not allow hunting on sunday, Texas does. some states require blaze orange, Texas does not except on public land. some state do not allow baiting, Texas does on most animals. Politically speaking, Texan do not tolerate a whole lot of laws concerning what they can and can not do on their own land. If you disagree with that, that is your business but the amount of game that is here because of our hunting and because it is private would tend to make me believe that we are doing something right. I do not agree with all of what goes on that is legal in Texas but I do not support laws telling a private land owner what they can and can not do either. The Hunt goes on forever, the season never ends. I didn't learn this by reading about it or seeing it on TV. I learned it by doing it. | |||
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You should see what we do with our lawyers. Oh yeah and the blank tag on my huntin' lic. I aint even gonna tell you what that's for. | |||
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Kudos to the gutshot goat eating cat. Tell your sister i said she's hot.  | |||
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Quite right.Capital T. And, there should be a comma after "T",asshole.Get off my back.you make mistakes ,too. I guess my post should have been worded different.Some other people were commenting on legality of the "hunt",and I was attempting to remind them that in texas,legally,you can damn near do whatever you want,and its no business of anyone elses. jb, Part of the reason that the laws of other places do not apply in Texas is because so much of it is private land and various rules would not apply here or be tolerated. some states do not allow hunting on sunday, Texas does. some states require blaze orange, Texas does not except on public land. some state do not allow baiting, Texas does on most animals. Politically speaking, Texan do not tolerate a whole lot of laws concerning what they can and can not do on their own land. If you disagree with that, that is your business but the amount of game that is here because of our hunting and because it is private would tend to make me believe that we are doing something right. I do not agree with all of what goes on that is legal in Texas but I do not support laws telling a private land owner what they can and can not do either. I figured this out awhile back,this is what i was trying to say. No offense meant. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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Hey Ryan, This is much better than the original post and explains why things happened the way they did. When I read your initial post, I kind of thought it would get some heated comments. No doubt you were(are) proud of your Sister's shot. To put it in perspective, I've shot handguns since the mid `50s and would be surprised if I could make a 100yd shot on a running Cougar. Perhaps your Sister is just a better shot than I am, but I'd guess a good bit of luck was involved. Anyway, your patience and demeanore in your last post is MUCH MORE AMAZING than your Sister's shot. She should be bragging to all her friends on how well you responded. Good hunting and clean 1-shot kills to you and your Sister. | |||
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Hotcore, Thank you very much. Sometimes, however, one just wants to put the info out there for everyone to enjoy and doesnt realize the grumbling that will follow. The Hunt goes on forever, the season never ends. I didn't learn this by reading about it or seeing it on TV. I learned it by doing it. | |||
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Things like this are why I think Texas needs its own forum.Then we could better remember the rules that apply there,and not make (as many)  disparaging remarks.****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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Stw exactly what I was thinkin!  She's hot!Straight shootin to ya | |||
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Im glad it was killed being as it was a livestock eating cat. About the private land thing though. Most of the land here is private also, but we still are suppost to follow the laws. Not saying everyone does but we are suppost too. "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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I usually do not chime in on stuff like this but what laws are broken by Texans when we hunt jb? And what proof is there that we do what we want when we want in regards to our land? Oh and heres a novel thought, instead of us having our own forum why dont you show some self control and not post if you are so bothered by us and our ways of hunting. Perry | |||
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Ryan: just wanted to compliment you on your mature and measured responses to the comments you received. You kept the thread civil and ensured that infomation was shared, when it could have easily degenerated into something much less worthwhile. Just one thought: I have learned from experience that is is often dangerous to extrapolate our own abilities to others. Many years ago, I told a guy there was no way he could hit a baseball sized rock at 100 yds with my pistol. He calmly took the piece, and not only hit the rock, but hit its pieces six times straight. I have since watched him routinely dispatch running jackrabbits at 80 to 100 yards with his M19. Crow doesn't taste too good!  Bottom line: what may be a low percentage shot for me, could be a readily made shot for someone else. | |||
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Where were girls like that when I was 20 years old? Hey, jb explained himself if not outright apologized, what he said was Okay with me. The thing everyone should remember is that we here in Texas are not any different from anywhere else. If any of you were living in Texas you would abide by the laws and take advantage of the hunting opportunities just like we do. We certainly have a lot of those opportunities and a bright hunting future. If Texas were an open land state like Colorado we would have different laws and customs and would abide by those. I certainly don't resent any hunting customs or laws in other states, even though most of them are closed to me.  ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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ever notice how many pissing matches pop up this time of year?  and there is that"hunt " word again. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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Nice dodge jb. Perry | |||
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Olarmy;You make a good point,starting about 9 years ago I started carrying a handgun with me on a daily basis while working on the ranch.Since then I have made shots that are truly amazing.I have friends constantly tell me I wish I could shoot like.My answer is you could if you would work at it. The first thing you have to do is make sure you have an accurate handgun because no amount of practice will make you better if it wont shoot to point of aim.I recently bought a NIB ruger 45LC it wouldnt shoot to suit me so I took it to my gunsmith and $360 later its a tack driver.w/regards | |||
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i wish i had time for a lengthy response,but I dont. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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jb, You ought to be a receiver in th NFL with moves like that! Perry | |||
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Or at least a politician. And being from Minnesota probably a Democrat. ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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I need more pics of the sister to make up my mind. Jason | |||
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can you quote me when i said you were breaking laws?I missed it,I guess.Or you misunderstood what I wrote. Why wouldn't you want your own forum? Perhaps you are right.I knew I shouldnt try to post on this thread.over. done. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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