[QUOTE]Originally posted by Savage99:
Finally, a WSM caliber built to take on the thick-skinned and heavy-shouldered big game animals found from Alaska to Africa.


NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kokdyer,

That's your opinion but you don't have a job at Winchester and they do! They are riding a success wave of WSM sales while sending manufacturing of the "Riflemans Rifle" to the land of cotton.

Meanwhile they have convinced many that their guns kick less, are more accurate and are new.

What could be better than that?

Somebody has a safari all lined up to take some African game with a 325 for sure. All we need now is a magazine article and we're all set.

How about a 9.3 WSM - now there's a thought!

Your right mate, what are you going to do.

If Winchester can pull of this new BS cartridge it will be the crime of the year.

I am going to whole heartedly campaign against it. I know the fools at FN put a lot of money and very little thought into this cartridge.

I love the 8mm Remington Magnum. But I can admit it's a cult cartridge and nothing I say or do is going to change that.

The comparison that Winchester makes is against it's own 338WM and 300WSM. Trying to prove that it's the equal to all and the envy of everyone.

I don't know about you but I bought a 338 to supplement my 30's because I wanted to shoot 250s and that's that. I didn't buy it so I could shoot 185's and 200's.

I built my 8mm Remington with a 27 inch Lilja heavy contour fluted barrel so I could have a ring ding long range rig. Knowing perfectly well it would never be as fast as a 7mm Ultra or as versitle as a 300 WBY.

But here these idiots at FN are claiming this new rifle and cartridge is gods gift to mediums and it ventures into totally new terriroty.

The only thing I am happy about is it will bring new and wanted (but only by me and the 3 other people in the world that shoot 8x68s or 8mm Remingtons) NEW BULLETS!

Regards,

PS Did I mention I wasn't impressed with this idea in the least?

What really pisses me off is we all asked for a 338 RSAUM or 338 WSM and we got this pile of dog doo.

Everyone wanted it, the damn writers, the public, everyone.

I know there is some liability there with the 338 WSM and RSAUM because someone could hunt dangerous game and the damn thing wouldn't feed.

Honestly Winchester, Browning, FN, Kimber, shit or get off the pot, where is the 338 WSM? Do you want Remington to beat you to the punchline?

The sad thing is I dont even want a 338 WSM or RSAUM, but I would buy a new Remington M700 TI in 338 RSAUM just to spite the bastards at Winchester.

Maybe big green will come to the rescue?

Around here the 338 WM is snake bit. Not many will shoot it due to the recoil. The bottom line on the 50 ish YO round is that they have run the string out on it.

The idea is to market a round that they say will take heavy game but is new. There is always hope that it won't kick you know.

As to a 338 WSM the early discussions of it said that the seating depths were not right with existing bullets in a Sammi chamber. They may remember the grief still with the 300 WM.

They hope it won't kick, in a 6.5 pound Kimber. They better hope!

There will be a lot of them for sell with 40 rounds through them at your local pawn shop and used gun emporium in about 18 months. Just start counting.

That's if they get to 40 rounds.

I don't own one yet, but if Browning happened to make a BAR composite in 325, I might be tempted to make a purchase. Sounds like it would make a pretty capable thicket gun.

I don't see how much of a need there is for this round in a bolt gun, but I do think it will excel in a short action autoloader. Until they bring out a 338 or 358 short, that is.

irwin

Geez, you guys are amazing. I mean, who cares? Don't like it? You don't have to buy it. They aren't going to quit making 338WM are they? Man. I wonder what happened with you guys when the Camero came out. Know what? Last time I looked they still make the Corvette.

Sorry, I'm new here but when is the last time ANY COMPNAY made ANY PRODUCT that EVERYONE in the world liked? It's called a free market. Vote with your wallet.

Savage99

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What say you?

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To me a "new" cartridge should offer me some advantage over what I already have.....
So far none of the WSMs have done that.....now a 6.5 WSM might catch my interest in a short action to reproduce .264 Mag performance.

I agree this is a nice step up from the 30-06, 7mm Mags, 270's that are used as elk guns every year. Guys who carry these deer rifles don't see enough difference in function to go to any variety of 300 Mag for an Elk hunt.

Bigger bore fans and veteran Elk hunters love the 338's for the stopping power and good ballistics won't be tempted unless they think their weapon is just to darn heavy.

I do think it does create a reason to buy a new rifle. When you can get a lighter weight gun with less recoil than a 338 with advertised equal function why not take the plunge. The idea is that a 325 is clearly above the average deer rifle or as Winchester presents it - the perfect elk gun.

Personally I'll wait a couple of years before I am convinced and will want to read what real hunters think of the caliber before shelling out any cash.

Now why do I want a lighter magnum rifle. One of the main items to control recoil is weight. And this caliber if all the hype is to believed, does not outdo anything. Values have been selected to make it look good. I would bet that others can be evaluated to show that is not so hot. For instance, they showed similar velocities with the 300 win mag in 180 gra bullets but the 232 will shed that velocity a lot faster because of a poorer BC. All we are getting is smoke and mirrors.

Now if they only would come out with Beer Flavored breakfast cereal, maybe that would sell.

Customstox,

RIGHT ON!

"Now if they only would come out with Beer Flavored breakfast cereal, maybe that would sell."

Obviously you have never tried Alaskan Amber over Wheaties. Breakfast of champions

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Originally by Savage99:
"Around here the 338 WM is snake bit. Not many will shoot it due to the recoil."

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I don't know where you are from, but hope you're joking. In my experience a 338WinMag, even with large bullets, is pretty easy to handle in recoil department. Hard to believe that a whole sector of the country (no matter how small) would be 'scared' of them.

EKM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Savage99:
Around here the 338 WM is snake bit. Not many will shoot it due to the recoil. [QUOTE]



Now, THAT'S funny. Where do you live, Lilliput?

George

I guess I am a sucker for useless discussions. There is nothing wrong with the 325 WSM. It does allow
you to have the magically lighter short action. If you reload it would be a great round to make
some versatile ammo. We all like something new, me in particular. I look at a new cartridge
to see if it is a good basis for a wildcat that I would prefer. I'm one of the crazier
of this crew. I like it because it will be easier to neck up to make a 35 WSM! Why not
a 458 WSM, or go ahead an make a 500 WSM. If it floats your boat, gets you more interested
in shooting, then it can't be bad. If you think it is a cure-all then the Winchester
marketing folks have won. I would rather that you guys give Winchester hell for not
improving their action in years rather than worry about any new cartridge. They are doing
everything they can to make a cheaper rifle. Two piece pressed together bolt - crap!
No gas block on the left side of bolt - crap! Stylized synthetic stock - crap! They are so
lazy that someone decided they would do it better for a decent price and now we have Montana
Rifle company and Dakota arms. Winchester doesn't even make a good .22 anymore even though
they used to make some of the best - M61, M62, M63, M52, M75. Yet they can license the design
to Taurus or Rossi and they make an OK grade reproduction. With modern methods of casting and
CNC there is no reason that Winchester can't make good rifles. Winchester should be embarrassed.

Winchester does make the best domestic brass. I melt down Remington brass to make belt buckles.

Old Elk Hunter

Kudos Old Elk Hunter,

I haven't own one new Winchester and it's a 1895 in 405.

I sold the two M70's that I bought and one was a super grade because it was crap.

They might make a decent gun every once in a while, but those that have them have been luckier than me.

IMHO what the wsm line really offers is a (beltless) case capacity that is just below that of the 338 wm and other various magnums. I like that idea, but they took the short fat thing too far and that is a negative.

I dont see why everyone is weeping and wailing over their decision to make an 8mm, if a 338 is what you want then get one for hells sake. This thread reminds me of several posts by our european friends who chastized the US for going with a 30 cal when the 8mm was already so prominent.

So what? get over it and shoot what ever suits your fancy. There are enough chamberings out there today to please anyone. Quit acting like a bunch of wet hens.

Listen, this is a FORUM. We have the right to evaluate a cartridge or anything else as we see fit. If the tone, the comments, or the evaluations don't fit your pistol, too bad.

YOU get over it.........

AD

Please correct me if I am wrong.

1.Both the .330 Dakota and the .325 WSM are based on the .404 Jeffries Case.
2. Winchester says that a .338 WSM won't work really well becasue it is too short to use the heavier bullets.
3. when winchester was developing its line of short magnum cases, it made the .300 winchester case longer than the 338 Winchester magnum case.

So, I do not understand what the deal is here. If the WSM case is a bit too short to handle the heavier 338 bullets, there seems to be a lot of space between the WSM case and the Dakota case in which to compromise in order to make a short case to handle the heavier bullets.

Has any wildcatter out there tried to make a .338 WSM with a case that is so many thousandths longer than the current case. Just how much longer does the case need to be in order to make the heavier bullets work?

22wrf,

They did do just that in the other direction with the super shorts, my guess is that there isnt enough demand to justify re-tooling for what is essentially another cartridge at the upper end of the spectrum.

It seems to me that the 358's would be a better fit for the wsm case, what with the generally shorter bullets but they are prolly sceered that a 35 wsm would bomb out, not flat shooting enough for todays market.

It has been stated over and over that the 325 WSM isnt a significant enough size increase over the 30 to matter, yet the difference between 8mm and 338 seems significant enough to stomp feet over even though it is EXACTLY the same insignificant .015 difference between a 8mm and a 308.

What will a 225 gn 338 bullet do that a 220 323 will not??

P.O. Ackley called the 8mm's "a much neglected number". Apparently some folks want to keep it that way. Too bad!

"What will a 225 gn 338 bullet do that a 220 323 will not?"

leave a hole that is 15 thousandths larger

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Originally posted by allen day:
Listen, this is a FORUM. We have the right to evaluate a cartridge or anything else as we see fit. If the tone, the comments, or the evaluations don't fit your pistol, too bad.

YOU get over it.........

AD

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Dear Allen,

I have a confession to make. All this time that I have appeared to disagree with you on several occasions was only a put on. I whoeheartedly agree with everything you have ever said! You are da MAN! You are so keen, you are so bright, you are so gifted, you are so RIGHT.

I so wanted to join in with the "Allen Day rah-rah" section but opted not to out of concern for your own well being. I was afraid that if I experssed my true feelings for your exaulted presence that your already considerable cerebrum might swell up and burst like a puss filled pimple..

Apparently you have made up your mind that nothing I ever say is ever going to "fit YOUR pistol". This is more than I can bear. Im going to go slit my wrists now. Goodbye!