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Originally posted by HP Shooter:

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Originally posted by gerry375:
What bothers me about people like him is that they have no experience at all - but will shoot their mouth off. I still want to know where he got that avatar of a campaign hat. I knew people who wore a campaign hat because they were entitled to wear it - and when I was young and taking orders from them. I was taught to keep my mouth shut when I didn't know what I was talking about! Do you think you can get this young squirt to slow down and listen up? I doubt it!

Are you going to report me to the hat police?

Where I got the avatar or why I have it is none of your business. Just like I told someone else, I do not discuss my personal and professional background with total strangers.

Move over, elmer fudds. The young know-it-alls are here:

Nice pics, But how did the guy with the AK clone get in?
Or is he just an associate member of your little militia group?

Cheers, Dave.

Dave, I know it's very hard for little foreign brains like yours (used to being told by your masters to turn in whatever gun tickles their fancy) to understand this, but pay attention anyway.

In the USA, we have a lot more shooting sports than just fullbore, trap, and skeet.

Some of these organized (meaning they have national sanctioning bodies, rules, and tournaments) sports are very military in appearance and execution.

In addition, there are many training schools that will teach private citizens the same combat tactics that they teach to police and military personnel.

So does it just piss you off that we Americans can easily obtains weapons and skill that match or exceed those of the government? And that we enjoy honing those skills whenever we want to?

Here, have a look at some more of the "paramilitary" activities available to us:
Gunsite
Rifles Only

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In the USA, we have a lot more shooting sports than just fullbore, trap, and skeet.

Some of these organized (meaning they have national sanctioning bodies, rules, and tournaments) sports are very military in appearance and execution.

In addition, there are many training schools that will teach private citizens the same combat tactics that they teach to police and military personnel.

So does it just piss you off that we Americans can easily obtains weapons and skill that match or exceed those of the government? And that we enjoy honing those skills whenever we want to?

In other words Dave, they're a bunch of ego trip wannabe's.

Chuck

The trap and skeet shooting sports, started by gentlemen wearing ties and tweed jackets, are intended as shotgunning practice in the game fields.

What practical purpose do these combat tactic's games fulfill?

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Originally posted by HP Shooter:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
HP:
I used to respect you quite a bit, but your comment really turns me off. Too bad...

AAZW: I used to respect you quite a bit, but the fact that you prefer to pretend that there is not a significant portion of black America sitting on its ass in a perpetual state of dependency on government cheese really turns me off.

Too bad.........

HP:

Of course there is a signficant number of blacks (and whites) living on gov't cheese. But there are a lot serving their country in Iraq right now as well.

Moderator:

Maybe we should move this thread to the political forum???

Uhhhh, Onefunzr2, you didn't think the 2nd was about gentlemen in ties shooting skeet did you??? Or hunting for that matter?

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Originally posted by HP Shooter:
Dave, I know it's very hard for little foreign brains like yours (used to being told by your masters to turn in whatever gun tickles their fancy) to understand this, but pay attention anyway.

In the USA, we have a lot more shooting sports than just fullbore, trap, and skeet.

Some of these organized (meaning they have national sanctioning bodies, rules, and tournaments) sports are very military in appearance and execution.

In addition, there are many training schools that will teach private citizens the same combat tactics that they teach to police and military personnel.

So does it just piss you off that we Americans can easily obtains weapons and skill that match or exceed those of the government? And that we enjoy honing those skills whenever we want to?

Nope, doesn't piss me off at all. having been to Gunsite while Jeff was running it (before the sale), I can easily understand how you may feel about 2A. Just because we have licensing and registration of firearms, doesnt mean we don't get to have fun too.
What I do take exeption to is your attitude that hunting is a game while your 'training' is far more important.
Hunting is a cutural activity, which has taken place since before recorded history. As such, it needs no defence from a pinhead like you.
Unless you are planning on enlisting (if you haven't already done so) then you are the one playing games. IPSC is a G.A.M.E, not 'training'. But then, if your skills meet or exceed those of the military, perhaps you should enlist, and go save all those SF types from the bad guys?
Think of all the money you will save the Govt with all your 'special skills'.
Unless of course you are just going to climb back down into your bombproof shelter and start jerking off over all the ar15 pictures on the walls.
Jackass, if you were entitled to that campaign hat your avatar wears, you'd know the difference.
Have fun in your great big circle jerk, with all your wannabe buddies.

Dave.

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Uhhhh, Onefunzr2, you didn't think the 2nd was about gentlemen in ties shooting skeet did you??? Or hunting for that matter?

I know better than that. No, I wasn't thinking 2nd at all. I was responding to the loss of winchester being loaded with symbolism until some GI Joe wannabe 'jacked the thread to his own self-serving interest.

If you want to talk 2nd, start your own thread.

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Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:

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In the USA, we have a lot more shooting sports than just fullbore, trap, and skeet.

Some of these organized (meaning they have national sanctioning bodies, rules, and tournaments) sports are very military in appearance and execution.

In addition, there are many training schools that will teach private citizens the same combat tactics that they teach to police and military personnel.

So does it just piss you off that we Americans can easily obtains weapons and skill that match or exceed those of the government? And that we enjoy honing those skills whenever we want to?

In other words Dave, they're a bunch of ego trip wannabe's.

Chuck

Thanks Chuck, I guessed as much. In OZ we have a saying, 'If they were half as good as they think they are, they'd be twice as good as they really are.'
Figure it fits the bill this time?
Besides, wasn't this about the '94 and it's successor?
I'd have to agree with a previous post, on a different (but similar) thread. The AR15 (or clones) does look set to be the successor to the 94. But a lot more expensive, in todays money.
But when the '94 came out, it took an average cowboy half a years wages to afford one. Looking at it in that light, maybe the AR 15 isn't so bad after all?

Cheers, Dave.

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Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:

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In the USA, we have a lot more shooting sports than just fullbore, trap, and skeet.

Some of these organized (meaning they have national sanctioning bodies, rules, and tournaments) sports are very military in appearance and execution.

In addition, there are many training schools that will teach private citizens the same combat tactics that they teach to police and military personnel.

So does it just piss you off that we Americans can easily obtains weapons and skill that match or exceed those of the government? And that we enjoy honing those skills whenever we want to?

In other words Dave, they're a bunch of ego trip wannabe's.

Chuck

Another loser from a country where you need permission from the Police to even take your pistol somewhere.

Enjoy your "freedom".

It's kind of funny really. I've been on operations with US forces 3 times now, and without exception they are polite, well mannered and generous to a fault.
But then, they are real soldiers, not 'wannabees'.
So perhaps I will just remember those guys and girls whenever I see a jackass post like the one above, and not dwell too much on the jackass wannabee, while enjoying my freedom.

Cheers, Dave.

Dave:

This old man was very happy to see your post about the "militia". I wondered how he had a group photo of all these armed types (like a High School graduating class) -and how a camera got a pic of a guy peering around a wall,and standing up to do so (and showing an awful lot of skin). I'll use your expression - Cheers (and regards) - Gerry

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Originally posted by Sambar 9.3:
It's kind of funny really. I've been on operations with US forces 3 times now, and without exception they are polite, well mannered and generous to a fault.
But then, they are real soldiers, not 'wannabees'.
So perhaps I will just remember those guys and girls whenever I see a jackass post like the one above, and not dwell too much on the jackass wannabee, while enjoying my freedom.

Cheers, Dave.

Dave,

Thanks for pointing out the difference between REAL U.S. soldiers and the group of "weekend wannabees" above. HP belittles himself, but I doubt he is even aware of it.

You know what the highlight is? HP, after being challenged on his right to have a certain campaign hat in his avatar, has since removed said avatar!!!

On a serious note---- HP, I don't know your story on the hat. But if you are not entitled,,,,good for you,,,,you did the right thing by removing it.

I guess I have to be the one to ask: What is the significants of the campaign hat?? Who has earned the right to wear one and how does one earn the right to wear one?

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In other words Dave, they're a bunch of ego trip wannabe's.

Chuck

That's actually being rather generous...

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Originally posted by iwzbeeman:
I guess I have to be the one to ask: What is the significants of the campaign hat?? Who has earned the right to wear one and how does one earn the right to wear one?

It's a bit like an SF 'green beenie', or a SEAL 'budweiser' or Para wings, copies of medals, or in my country, an SASR beret. Anyone can buy them, or own them, But you must EARN the right to wear them.
Sound about right to the rest of you guys?

Cheers, Dave.

I guess. Shortly after the earth's crust began to cool, when I went thru Marine boot camp, all of the DI's wore campaign hats. Except during reviews and such. Then they wore regular head gear.
I've been combat tested, twice wounded (long before Nam) and never thought about wearing a special hat.
How does one "earn" the right to wear a hat?

If those gentleman want to run all over the place spraying lead and playing soldier, more power to them. It is their money, and their 2nd ammendment rights are just as good as the hunter/shooter.

I do own an AR (varmint varient from RRA), and do enjoy them. Very accurate platform. I used to have a lever action. Sold it to buy a new varmint rifle. For must people my age, the Black Gun is more familiar than a lever action any day.

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Originally posted by iwzbeeman:
I guess. Shortly after the earth's crust began to cool, when I went thru Marine boot camp, all of the DI's wore campaign hats. Except during reviews and such. Then they wore regular head gear.
I've been combat tested, twice wounded (long before Nam) and never thought about wearing a special hat.
How does one "earn" the right to wear a hat?

I guess, if it's something special, like a campaign hat, or medals, then you either wear because you did the job, and therefore 'earned them', or you can just go into a shop, buy them and wear them, but as a fraud.
Just a quick question, what do you guys do to people you catch, wearing military medals they didn't earn (or win)? Say on Veterans Day? Or the Navy guys do to people who pretend to be SEALs, but then suddenly 'forget' or say they 'can't reveal' their BUD/S class number?

Besides, wasn't this supposed to be about the '94, and it's likely successor?
For the reasons NEJack put forward, as well as N E 450 No2 put forward on another thread about the same topic, I'd have to say yes, the AR15 or clones look to be the logical successor to the '94.
Still don't look quite right in a saddle scabbard though.
JMHO

Cheers, Dave.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NEJack:
If those gentleman want to run all over the place spraying lead and playing soldier, more power to them. It is their money, and their 2nd ammendment rights are just as good as the hunter/shooter.
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I don't think anyone here really has a problem with ARs, or with anyone having a good time shooting them. And all of us are champions of the 2ndAD, I'm sure. Rather, I think everyone was offended by some Jr forgetting that he was in the hunting forum and NOT in the political forum (where such nasty and personal comments are typical and expected).

I hope the guys from Oz will forgive the rest of us for the lack of manners by one of our Jr hunters.

Good hunting, Men!

Here's an example that I ran into.

I once found a lost lid with the Marine Corp logo on the front, in a ditch while hunting coyotes here in Yuma. The cap seemed new and was note marked with a name, so I offered it to my son as it fit him. He wore that cap everywhere for about 5 months. One day while we were in a gun store, a guy confronted my son (appeared to be a soldier) as to where he got the hat. I explained to him the situation and he informed me (in a polite manner) that civilians were not to wear the cap bearing the logo. I guess it was limited to the soldiers that were in active duty. Anyway, he said that if we cut loose the embroidered logo, no-one would ever say anything. So, I respected this soldiers wishes that the hat remained sacred to the men that earned the right to wear it. I removed the logo.

And I should note that at the time I was a Gov't contracter and was on base 5 days a week, and if the lid would've had a name in it, I would've returned it to Physical Security, so the owner would not have to replace it.

Eric, no offence taken, it just annoys me a tad when people say that their form of shooting is more important than anyone else's. Some guys must still not get the idea, we are all in this together, target shooters, hunters, collectors, everyone. All of us, Vs the Anti's. Driving wedges through the sport can only aid the opposition (I cannot bring myself to call them the enemy), and sow dissention through our ranks, world wide.
If someone wants to call me an 'Elmer Fudd' because I don't hunt with an AR15, but instead choose a '94, or a German BBF, fine. As long as he's smiling when he says it.
If he's serious, to me, that shows a lack of understanding of the 'big picture'.
It's not about your 2A. It's not about if you choose to hunt or target shoot. It's not about what hat you wear, or what you do for a living.
It IS about our collective rights being under continual assault from the anti's and the thought police, world wide.

BTW, the '94? It's a great little saddle gun, isn't it! Can't wait to get back out there and look for some pigs, maybe some deer.

Jason, you did the right thing. Marines are known to be a little sensitive about things like that. I'm a tad suprised he pulled up your son over it, though. Kids don't know any better.

Cheers, Dave.

In the Army to earn the privelage of wearing a campaign hat one has to go through Drill Sergeant school then do 2 years on the trail. After they are done on the trail, they go back to wearing the standard Army headgear that beloved piece of crap beret! Ex Drill Sergeants are still indentified after they come off the trail because they wear there drill sergeant badge on there BDU's/DCU's and ACU's, same thing goes for Recruiters and Career Counsleors
Now with M-16 clones never had a desire to really own one, now a M1A that is a different story.

John

Sambar9.3,
At 12 yrs. old, he borderline looks like he could be in boot camp.

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Originally posted by Sambar 9.3:
Driving wedges through the sport can only aid the opposition (I cannot bring myself to call them the enemy), and sow dissention through our ranks, world wide.
Cheers, Dave.

We are in agreement, for sure.

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Originally posted by JohnTheGreek:

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...you get 10 new orleans blacks sitting on chairs waiting on the govt to feed them...

Actually it's comments like this that will end hunting. Convince the American public that hunting is not simply a hobby undertaken by ignorant, racist, rednecks and it may just survive.

JMHO,

John

Well... that and the FIRST THING a news crew sees on walking into any gun show (right next to the friggin' door for christ's sake) is a big table covered with Nazi daggers and armbands.

Way to go show promoters!!! Yes, those guys selling the WW2 reproduction garbage have to make a living too but the show organizers could atleast "hide them" in the back corners of the hall...

AllanD

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Originally posted by Teat Hound:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NEJack:
If those gentleman want to run all over the place spraying lead and playing soldier, more power to them. It is their money, and their 2nd ammendment rights are just as good as the hunter/shooter.
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I don't think anyone here really has a problem with ARs, or with anyone having a good time shooting them. And all of us are champions of the 2ndAD, I'm sure. Rather, I think everyone was offended by some Jr forgetting that he was in the hunting forum and NOT in the political forum (where such nasty and personal comments are typical and expected).

I hope the guys from Oz will forgive the rest of us for the lack of manners by one of our Jr hunters.

Good hunting, Men!

I should apologise as well, I did slam him kind of hard, and therefore apologise to any who may have taken offense.

It just irks me that some people seem to forget that all hunting and shooting have to be regarded as equally important, or the Anti's will use the 'divide and conquer' routine to keep chipping away at us all. Regardless of our particular areas of interest.

I still think the '94 is a good rifle. A bit limited in range, perhaps, but very effective when used within its limits.

What if someone is wearing the M1918 Tan (WWI) Campaign Hat

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Not acceptible either?

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Originally posted by nelsonted1:
What if someone is wearing the M1918 Tan (WWI) Campaign Hat

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Not acceptible either?

Looks like a picture of a hat to me, what's it got to do with shooting, apart from a wardrobe accoutrement for SASS?

Read up aways. They're chest thumping about campaign hats- supposedly one isn't supposed to wear a campaign hat unless they are active duty drill instructors. My uncle wears a NorDaka highway patrol hat that looks suspiciously like a campaign hat. Smoky the bear wears a campaign hat too. So do/did Boy Scouts. AR draws the anal types. The stick caught in the ass must be pretty sharp.

I did read back aways, all I could see was people asking about other peoples backgrounds. If people want to wear issue hats or fragments of uniforms, fine. Why not? Just don't pretend to be something you are not. That sort of stuff is usually the preserve of schoolboys wanting to be firemen or astronauts. As for the rest of it, I guess that's the preserve of the people doing those jobs. I don't know, I never really felt the need to imitate a recruit instructor, just the demonstrated requirement to make the creases sharp and in the right place!

I could really care less about what sort of hat people might choose to wear, but what does irk me is the belief that some forms of shooting are more important than others. We are all in this together, and any division in the sport (or cultural activity) is only going to aid the anti's in bringing us down.
JMHO.