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What are your opinions...accuracy and penetration...I realize with respect to accuracy all rifles are different. Just curious as to people's experiences... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | ||
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I shot a bunch of hogs and some deer a few years back with the interbond. I was not impressed. I shot (in September) a dall sheep and a caribou with accubonds. I also shot a desert big horn the prior year with them . I was extremely impressed. Accubonds for me in the future. | |||
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While I haven't tried the Accubonds yet, I have had excellent results with the Interbond for years. I don't believe that I have had any kind of a failure yet. | |||
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I only shoot/reload the Hornady line of SPs, BTSPs, and Interbonds in my five "go to" rifles in three different calibers and will not change due to the accuracy and great results they give. I did try the SST in the 30-06 for deer and elk one year and found they opened way too fast and literally blew up with very little penetration. The one shot on a cow elk almost cost me that animal due to not recovering her until the following morning. That's the only animal of over 100 I've shot where I've lost any meat. | |||
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My son and I are believers in Interbonds, 150, 165, 180 gn for our go-to hunting rifles - Blaser R93 30.06, 300 Blaser Mag. Mostly we hunt with the 30.06 We load all our own and found our Blasers give consistently better accuracy with IB and SST against Nosler. Another factor is copper fouling. Our barrels foul quite easily, just less so with IB, SST. Can't comment on AB's but IB penetration is excellent, almost too excellent ! Have experienced many total pass through shots, even out to 200 yds. Any recovered IB's almost always are nice mushrooms with good weight retention. Interesting that I had similar experience to Topgun 30-06 with SST's - opening quickly, less penetration. Eventually figured out I was pushing them too fast. When I slowed them down a bit performance / penetration improved. Slower or faster MV with the IB's however seems to give similar performance. Hunting.... it's not everything, it's the only thing. | |||
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I've only shot a handful of big game with the IB. Being a handloader, I found them to be very finicky and hard to "accurize" in the 4 rifles I tried loading for. Performance on the animals I killed though was excellent. I am a big fan of the accubonds, having taken dozens of aoudad, and quite a few whitetails, muleys, and hogs with the 140/160 7mm AB. I took the 7mm/160AB to Namibia this past May and it performed perfectly on 12 head of game over there. | |||
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In my guns, after the first shot, the IB would start to fly on me. Let the gun cool and the next shot wound be fine . I also was not impressed with the damage they did on hogs . | |||
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I have shot groups with the Accubond that are better than anything I have done with a Scenar or Sierra Match King. The interbond is also a bullet. | |||
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Mike, I've had very good results with the Accubonds. From accuracy to penetration and performance. Everything from Elk/Deer/Antelope to Duiker to Leopard. .284 caliber in 160 grains. Never used the Interbond so I can't comment on them. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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I've tried the Interbonds in several rifles but never got what I would consider acceptable accuracy. The Accubonds, on the other hand, required virtually no development to shoot tiny bug-hole groups. And even at moderate velocities, the 6.5/130 and .30/150 performed exceptionally well on quite a few hogs and a handful of coyotes and bobcats I took with them. I also used the .25/110 and 7mm/140 but to a lesser degree, and these served me well also. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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I've been reloading rifle and shotshells for 47 years and have had very good success with Hornady bullets. That was until the interbonds hit the market. I had used Hornady spire pts in a couple 7mm mags and a couple 300 mags. I had groups under an inch @ 100 yds with all these rifles and around 1 1/2 inches @ 200yds. The only problem was the Hornady bullets would open up violently at close range. When I tried shooting the interbonds the 100 yd groups became 3 inch groups. When I contacted Hornady about my concerns they asked me to ship the bullets to their Canadian distributor. They wanted to test them and told me I would be compensated for the bullets & shipping. Sent them a couple part boxes of 7mm bullets in 139 and 154 gr. Much later they sent me a box of 20 loaded 270 Win cartridges. I guess that was my compensation. Never heard back from them if they were having consistency problems . The result of all this is that I have switched almost exclusively to Barnes TSX & TTSX bullets and Nosler Accubonds & Partitions. Several others have suggested accuracy concerns with the interbonds , I would concur with that. | |||
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I have had the same trouble with most Interbonds and accuracy, but. 150 grain 30 cal. shoot well out of my sons 30-06 and .257 110s shoot well out of several rifles including the 25wssm and 257 Weatherby. On game those 2 offerings have done nicely on white tails and Mule deer. Every Accubond I have tried in 6mm, .257, 6.5mm, .277, .308, and .338 have all shot very tight groups and performed perfectly on deer sized game. No contest. | |||
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It is the only bullet that Hornady makes that doesn't work for me. | |||
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I could never get the Interbond to shoot. After awhile I quit trying. Funny thing is, I can get A-Maxes, Interlocks and SSTs shooting just fine. | |||
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They are built differently and behave differently. Interbonds hold more weight but also expand more for wider mushroom. You could get a pancake if driven very fast. Accubonds act like partitions,only the back is bonded so you lose front 1/3rd of bullet and the shank mushrooms less but theoretically penetrates deeper. I know a lot more people that use Accubonds and people that do swear by them. | |||
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I shot 2 does yesterday using accubonds. Performance was impressive. | |||
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I guess you like em...LoL Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Really do. They have become my bullet of choice between 6mm and 375 cal. The 17, 19 and 22 cals. its any number of different manufacturers. I use a 45 gr. TSX in my Sako Riihimaki in 222 Rem. Works on Turkey, Hogs and varmints. I've a 6.5 WSM that luvs the 140 Gr. Sierra Sptizers. I've a 358 Win that I load with 200 gr. Hornies and a 35 Whelen that luvs the Accubonds, but do to mag length (unless I want a single shot) I load the 225 Gr. Sierra Spitzers. I've a 9.3 x 74 R that followed me home along with 100 rounds loaded with 286 gr. Partitons. Pretty much other than an occasional ballistic tip load for practice/hoginating everything else is loaded with Accubonds. GWB | |||
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I have had the same luck with a box of .277 Interbonds I acquired from a guy. I never could get them to group well. I have also had hot and cold experiences with the Interloks. The SSTs seem to shoot quite well but performance in a 30-06 was too explosive for my liking on deer/hogs. Very similar to what I have seen with Nosler BTs although some here would say otherwise. Formerly Rae59 1 Trillion seconds = 31,709 years | |||
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