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There are too many gray areas. Nothing is black & white. I don't believe in shooting fish in a barrel. But if that's what floats your boat, knock yourself out. There has to be point where shooting an animal on a 3000, 4000 or 5000 acre ranch is about as close to fair game as one can get. Is shooting an animal at a feeder fair game? How about shooting one feeding under an apple tree that wasn't put up to attract animals to hunt? Again, this isn't a black and white issue. Also, I can understand someone living in Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, etc who believe in the right to bear arms to the fullest extent. In other words I can understand if you believe that you should be able to walk into a sporting goods store and purchase 9mm sidearm like you're purchasing a loaf of bread. Well, that may work well in those states. But I can assure that in New York City it wouldn't. Again, it can't be black & white. | |||
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Redhawk1, Not sure I get where you're coming from. Above, you said that all hunters, canned, high fence or free range need to stick together. You also said that I may not agree with it, but I should support it anyway. Now you're saying you don't support penned up "canned" hunts. Which is it??? I don't agree with canned hunts or high fence hunting, and it's damn hard to support something you don't agree with, isn't it? You can unite with these trigger men like Jimmy Houston if you want to, but I'd rather not be associated with them in any way. "That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable." | |||
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Well stated. I do not want to speak for redhawk1 but my guess is that this is where he is going, along with what I believe the general hunting population believes. Laws to stop high fence hunting would only hurt hunting all together. No matter how specific the laws are made, they usually end up creating more problems than they fix. Look at the old assault weapons ban. The people wrote this thinking all AR type rifles would become illegal. Did it work, no, companies simply found ways around the laws. At the same time purchasing a weapon became more dificult for the law abiding citizen. Therefore I propose that people support companies who support ethical hunting. For some that may mean no fences, for others it may mean high fence hunts conducted under sporting conditions. No matter what side of the fence you support I think all would agree that hunts like Jimmy's should not be portrayed as ethical. I have already sent e-mails to ESPN and OLN for broadcasting Jimmy's program. I also sent similar notes to his major advertisers. Not that I am special, but if enough others do the same thing, changes may take place. Just my Opinion. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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OK LongCarbine seeing's how you are hard headed or dumb, I don't know which, canned hunts to me are not penned shoots. The canned hunts I support are large high fence hunts with a lot of acreage. Don't try and align me with Jimmy Houston, I thought he was an ass hole before he did the penned hunt. ROSCOE, this is exactly what I was trying to point out. But some people just want to look at things with tunnel vision. I think what Jimmy Houston did, shooting a deer in a pen was wrong and anyone shooting a drugged animal is not a hunter. But those lumping penned shoots in with high fenced large acreage is wrong as lumping all hunters in one boat. mmaggi was 100 % correct. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Redhawk1, I apologize for the confusion. Thanks for clarifying. "That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable." | |||
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Agree or not (I don't). I think you are a honest man. Well said. Time is money and there lies the chaffe. The Baby Boomers are charging. Madgoat put it so succinctly. We only need 2 million more hardasses like him and few others who posts here. Madgoat, dont go thinkin I like you. Not. DB | |||
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I am glad we got that cleared up. Some times it is a little difficult to relay a message properly when typing. I would much rather talk directly to people about such subject. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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One poster said, "Until then the answer is simple, do not support them if you do not like them." Do I have a freakin' choice? No one will argue that at least a fraction of our hard earned money spent on licenses and hunting taxes (50% in WI according to the video) goes to CWD related expenses. There is clear evidence that game farming has contributed significantly to the spread of CWD. That alone pisses me off. That money could be better spent elswhere, regardless if I choose to pay to hunt behind a fence or not. | |||
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I see very little gray in shooting a drugged deer in a 3 acre pen. Jeff In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king. | |||
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Boy that was awful to see. Hate to see hunting come to that. I public land hunt in east texas,it sure isn't anything like that and don't want it to be either!And yes I do condemn canned hunts. Aint scared! Get playstation if thats your cup of tea. By the way you should see the size of texas national forest,looks like part of a unit in some other states. Hope i can make colorado this year! Straight shootin to ya | |||
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This is a subject which I find difficult to take a position one way or the other. I have hunted on 2500 acre high fenced ranches in Michigan and had a great time. Do I feel it is too easy? Yeah, I guess but I feel more uneasy sitting at a water hole in Africa on wide open land. How many of the posters here climb on their ATV and ride back in the woods to hunt like they did in the old days? How many are using modern state of the art weapons with scopes compared to the iron sights of yesterday? My feeling is that the biggest problem we have today is the obsession of scoring things. Many of the high fenced facilities are there to provide animals that score well. If hunters did not support the various "record books", the demand for these facilities would lessen. I guess it is safe to assume that all posting here refuse to hunt where there are stocked birds or fish. I find it very humorous how we look down our nose at methods others use when in fact we do not take the "highest road"possible ourselves. | |||
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Red Hawk 1: You referred to "Long Carbine" as "either hardhead or dumb". I'm sure you will agree, on reflection, that is pretty hard language. ( In my much younger days at a hunters bar I would be very careful to set myself for a punch before I said so!)  I see that you are from Delaware. Long Carbine is from Wyoming - and that is what makes all the difference in the world about what separates you from Long Carbine (and me) Your state ( I hope you'll forgive me) never has been noted as a hunting state. I could probably put the whole state of Delaware within our NY Catskill mountains - and bury it in a corner of our Adiroundack mountains of NY. Yes, of course, I'm exaggerating - but have you ever seen Wyoming? The idea of "fencing" or "preserves" is ridiculous to a Westerner. The sad thing is that in my own state of NY, I can remember a time when it would have been ridiculous in NY too. Your idea of hunters uniting is excellent and I commend you for it - but hunters like Long Carbine ( and me, a retired one) want to be very sure that we are "uniting" with hunters - and not simply trigger pullers or pot shooters. The argument is as simple as that. Just my thoughts. | |||
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gerry375, if you knew me, I would say it to your face and not have a problem if you wanted to join me in a dance.  Just because I live in Delaware does not make me a non-experienced hunter. I am from Colorado and I have hunted in Colorado, North Dakota, South Dakota,Nebraska, Wyoming, Kansas, Alaska, Florida, Maine, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Canada. So where I live does not dictate my hunting background. Let me ask you, have you been to Delaware? Do you know how the hunting is here or are you just spouting off. We have great deer heard's and waterfowl hunting. I understand about the Western States. I was raised there for 18 years and lived in the Midwest another 10 years. So before you assume anything about me, now you know the facts. And for your question, have I seen Wyoming, hell I hunted there. The question is have you?  If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Red Hawk 1: I tried to make a friendly approach to you in a hope of bringing you and I (and Long Carbine) together as hunters. I see from your response that I was wasting my time. You are no hunter. You're a trigger puller. It is pointless to have a discussion with you because we are worlds apart. You asked if I ever hunted in Wyoming? No, I didn't. I hunted in Zimbabwe and shot a Cape buff at about 35 yards that is in the SCI Record book,(9th Ed.,Africa at p.89) Did you ever do that? What the hell does that prove? You don't have the mind set of a hunter. As I said, you are a trigger puller and you think that KILLING the animal is the whole idea of being a hunter. So you will never understand the difference between you and me (and Long Carbine) about what hunting is. End of remarks. (I should have remembered my Texas mother family remark: " Never argue with a skunk"). | |||
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You know nothing about me. You are just spouting off at the mouth because you have nothing better to do in your life. I don't need you to approve of my hunting or even for you to consider me a hunter. Getting your approval does not mean one thing to me. You asked me if I even been to Wyoming and I answered, but when asked the same question of you, it seemed to get under your skin. Good for you killing a Cape buff at about 35 yards, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else here. I don't know why I am even lowering myself to your level and engaging in a conversation with you. I am having a war of wits with an unarmed man. (I should of remembered my Arizona family remark 'Never argue with a mental midget") If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Interesting pissing contest... 0351 USMC | |||
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You are right about the pissing contest, and I said my last words to gerry375. I like to indulge in good conversation with others, but some people just are not worth the time. It is a case of mind over matter, I don't mind and he don't matter.  If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Member of the Delaware Destroyers Member Reeders Misfits NRA Life Member ENDOWMENT MEMBER NAHC Life Member DSA Life Member | |||
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Hunting "behind-the-fence" is common practice in New Zealand, that is fenced pens within which giant trophy stags are released then shot after having been raised on deer farms. Deer farms are everywhere in New Zealand. The venison is exported to Europe, especially Germany. Obviously, similar things are happening is this country. For example, what about hunting the "senderos" in Texas, wherein large bucks are essentially fed (raised) on the "ranch" then brought to the hunter, after the feeders are triggered electroncially. This is like shooting birds as they flock to your bird feeder. Not sport in my opinion. Why does this happen? - THERE ARE MORONS WHO ARE WILLING TO PAY TO SHOOT SUCH ESSENTIALLY PEN-RAISED ARTIFICIALLY FED ANIMALS. Why not go buy a cow from your nearest farmer and shoot it? It would save a lot of trouble and insure good eating. Discusting practice, AND WHY SOME DON'T RESPECT "HUNTERS." When this happens, I fully understand their disrespect. Hunting on game farms and for artificially enhanced game should be outlawed. Pseudohunters who support these operations are loathsome creatures. | |||
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AMEN  "In case of a thunderstorm stand in the middle of the fairway and hold up a 1 iron, not even God can hit a 1 iron"............Lee Trevino. | |||
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