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Those of you supporting high fences and loving the Outdoor Channels BIG bucks...watch this. Down with ALL high fences!!!! http://www.real-hunters.com/full.swf | ||
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Hey 5, You better be wearing your bullet proof vest and some of my firefighter's turnout gear... you may get shot or flamed on this board...thats all I am going to say. | |||
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I do not agree with High Fence hunting, but this is a free, capitalist country and to each his own. I will not impede on the rights of others. Nor will I give them too much credit for their purchased animals. But every one has a right to do as they please. When you have the money to buy a huge ranch maybe then you can decide to not put up fences. Untill then the answer is simple, do not support them if you do not like them.  | |||
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I dislike high fence shooting and much of the largely unregulated game farming industry. I have personally met a small number of these so-called ranchers and without exception they are not the type of folks with whom I care to associate. They display NO concern for the animals and tend to refer to them by their B&C scores or by the price tag they have put on them. As long as this industry remains in it's present condition, it will harm real hunting and real hunters. Yes, it is legal...but that doesn't make it ethically or morally right. Just because a property is high-fenced and is hunted doesn't make it a canned hunt...BUT tranquilizing/sedating animals and putting them in very small pens to be "hunted" is not only canned, it is the very antithesis of true hunting. The love of money is corrupting hunting much as it has corrupted politics. Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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If you go the home page of that Site Real-Hunters.com You will quickly notice that entire site was only created to specifically bash the Bellar trial situation in Indiana. Though this case is particularly bad, the site is owned by another parent organization, whose agendas aren't fully devulged in this one website. IMO that throws up a red flag. If someone else can figure out what they are for or against I'd like to hear it. Whenever you see this kind of "reporting" on the internet you can rest assured you are not getting the whole story and what information you are getting is incredibly biased and incomplete. In short, I caution any one who views these videos and finds themselves using the words "ALL" and "EVERY" to talk about what they have seen later. | |||
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I agree with the premise "If You don't agree with it, don't support it". But most of us here are passionate about hunting and the game themselves so it's tough to not be opinionated. We all have our hot button subjects. Had an acquaintance who went to one of the fenced whitetail operations years ago and shot a 180" 5x5. Had it mounted and was dying for me to come over and see it. I had the TOUGHEST time trying to be excited about the deer. Same guy went to RSA and shot several species of plainsgame.....ALL of it out of the back of the truck. (Saw the videos) Some people will never change. I have to admit I hate to see the BAD fenced operations but it's America and if you wish to offer canned hunts where legal You can. No one is twisting the arms of the people who take them up on it. Sad deal but thats part of the freedoms we enjoy. FN in MT 'I'm tryin' to think, but nothin' happens"! Curly Howard Definitive Stooge | |||
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Being here in TX....the seeming capitol of HIGH FENCES....I HATE them. They are so trashy looking and they bring in genetics from ALL over and untold diseases. It just kills me to think some of those guys brag about the $15,000 deer they killed in a 3-6 acres enclosure. I was not terribly surprised to see Jimmy Houston or any other TV personality fall to such disgrace. Much of the shows are FAKED. I have seen deer killed with the bolt open!!! Taped it sent it to the producer and his response was many things go into m,aking a TV show. Anyway.....flame retardent pants are on...so FLAME AWAY. Hater of HIGH fending, Kyle | |||
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I wouldn't consider any of what I saw in those videos "hunting." "Shooting" yes, but definitely not hunting. A trained chimp could have shot those deer. It's sad when getting the biggest rack by any means necessary outweighs the importance of the hunting experience itself. I'd rather go home empty-handed knowing that I'd hunted my ass off and done things right than come home with a record book critter that someone had drugged and penned up for me. While some say "to each his own" and "don't support them if you don't agree with them," we as hunters need to take a harder look at what's going on here. All hunters are being lumped in with these high fence "shooters" by the non-hunting and anti-hunting crowd, and true sportsmen need to realize this and stand up for themselves. It's going to be these highly publicized cases of unethical, illegal behavior that ruin hunting for all of us. It's sad that in our culture of instant gratification that the entire concept of fair chase has gone by the wayside for so many people. Just because there are people out there willing to pay for this kind of thing doesn't make it right. "That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable." | |||
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I doubt the flamers will be after you since you did not personally attack anyone or their state of residence....if flames do happen, then just consider the source! Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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If you agree with high fence hunting operations, why not just give your money to PETA instead of giving hunting a long and slow death? These types of hunts need to be banned. MG | |||
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The quickest way to change things is for hunters to contact the companies advertising on these hunting shows and tell them your feelings. I see a trend starting to appear where some shows point out that their hunts are fair chase. I think in time it will be condidered less sporting to hunt on high fence operations and they will fall out of favor with the public. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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You couldn't be more wrong. High fences = $. Point, set, match. Hunting shows are nothing other than reality TV. These shows are edited up the ass. I hate hunting shows. The "professional" hunters they use are idiots: forgetting to push off the safety and flinching, shooting 4-5 times before the scene is edited for their "one shot kill." If you only knew/saw the unedited shows you'd scratch your head in disbelief at those morons. Do yourself a favor rent some porn instead. As far as high fences are concerned a lot of the opinions I've read are statements made in ignorance (and I don't mean that in a disparaging manner, rather the statements appear uninformed- I'm not being pro nor con, just making an observation). I'm not going to enter that discussion. You forget a lot of South Africa and New Zealand (Red Stag) hunting is high fenced. If you don't like them, don't hunt them, after all, the animals, no matter what their size will NOT make B&C, so who really cares!?!?!? There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
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I guess what makes this such a "hot button" subject for me (to steal an expression from FN in Montana) is that we have a guy and his buddy just a few miles from me that went out west to one of these types of places and both shot elks in excess of 400"...pictures up in the local gun shops, everyone that looks at the elk, and their hero pictures, thinks that they are a cross between Jack O'Conner and Daniel Boone come back to life. I went on my fair chase hunt at the same time they did, and came back with a dang hard earned 6x6 that will go about 300 or a little more. I have overheard my elk being compared to their elk at a local shop as if it was a disgrace to even bring back something like that when the "real" hunters can bring back 400" monsters. I was even asked, kidding of course, "Why didn't you kill one that big?" For once in my life I just kept my mouth shut, but will admit to getting a little PO'd. To my utter surprise, there have been some very level headed commments made on this thread, in a nutshell saying "to each his own"...I could not agree more. I just want to know why those folks casually forget to tell the whole world that their 400" bulls were shot in a damn pen. | |||
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FN in Montana: This old retired New York hunter (soon to be 76) feels as you do. I have an instinctive hunter's reaction against any kind of 'preserve" or "fenced in" kind of hunting. It does seem to be a trend of the future (but it will never be hunting to me) What astonishes me is that it has reached Montana - a state I have visited several times. When I was a boy and even as a young man, I could walk out of the house -and be hunting, whether for deer or for birds about five minutes after I stepped off the porch - and our property was only about 55 miles from New York City - Today people in the county regularly "commute" daily to NY City for their jobs. I guess that's why real hunting is disappearing. | |||
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FMC, I agree that $$ are the prime factor as to why these operations exhist. My point is that many of todays hunting shows are not honest with viewers as to where they are hunting. That tells me that they don't want to broadcast the fact that they are on a canned hunt. If they did I doubt that the advertisers would support them. So my angle is to let these advertisers know of your feelings. If 80% of the public tells Thompson Center that they will not purchase their products due to the company sponsoring videos of canned hunts, then Thompson Center may walk away from such promotions. No company wants nevative publicity and my guess is that once the general public is aware of the Jimmy Houston hunt seen in this video, advertisers will avoid him and his show will go away. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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Roscoe.....it's too late. And frankly in todays small dick, "rewards," me me me world you are in the minority. Shit if I could buy a 400in bull elk for $12-15K range why not (I didn't, my 369 didn't make book, but he was free range and still cost me $12K). I like elk hunting and would rather go out free range and make book. But hell if I had an extra few Ks why not put a 400+ motherfucker on the wall.......there are many more people who think like that...... "Real" hunters are a minority, big companies and TV shows cater to the general consumer. There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
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It isn't hunting...it's killing something. Letters to Congressmen at the state and federal level and to sponsors of the TV shows might be a great place to start. A difference does, however need to be made: real hunting can occur inside a high fence. Anyone who thinks whitetails inside a several thousand acre to several section high fenced property are easy as shooting ducks on a pond is mistaken. If I had a large property in central TX and the $$ to high fence it, then I would do so just to keep out the exotics. No feeders would be there, either! Side Note: MG, I would like to offer my apology to you for being rather terse and insulting to you on the TX elk thread. My objection was your generalizations and characterizations of all Texans being greedy and of Texas being a large game preserve. Please accept my apology for my less than polite posts to you! Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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If you want to hunt a semi-tame elk or deer on a fenced property then by all means enjoy yourself. Just don't tell me you took it "Fair Chase" and don't expect me to respect you as a hunter because you WON"T get it. 465H&H | |||
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Exactly. But frankly, don't be disrespectful- that serves no purpose, rather almost makes you appear petty. Just be nice, congratulate him and walk away: tell him "wow that's just wonderful," of course with a smile on your face: translation: "who gives a shit, go fuck yourself." There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
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AC Recurve: You said it perfectly on the whole topic - " It isn't hunting -It's killing something". 'Nuff said! Those who want to kill something will always be content with preserves and "ranches". They never will understand the words of a great American writer, John Dos Passos, who wrote: "It is not all of hunting to kill". | |||
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FMC Don't get me wrong. I would not go out of my way to be disrespectful to him or any one else for that matter. BUT! My mother taught me to never lie. So Congratulate him? Tell him that is nice? Sorry I can't lie that easily. Avoid him and not say anything? That I could do. 465H&H | |||
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I would rather spend $2k hunting on my own for 10 days in Idaho and come home without even seeing an elk than spend $0.50 on a canned "shooting" of a "record book" bull. Now, as far as the "legality" goes, I realize these activities are legal, and to each their own, but I will exercise my right to lobby against them until they become ILLEGAL. Most states have otlawed things like nightvision equipment for big game, spotlights for big game, trapping big game-- I think ANY and ALL of these fenced operations need to go bye-bye!  IV minus 300 posts from my total (for all the times I should have just kept my mouth shut......) | |||
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This may be a stretch, but my bet is that PETA is somewhere behind the video on "real-hunters.com". | |||
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465H&H, Your comments on this thread were exactly what I was trying to convey....it still pisses me off that, because those folks won't let anyone in on their "secret", I am perceived as a somewhat lesser hunter than they are. I am not after any glory, but don't put those types on a pedestal either!!!! | |||
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I have a nice 4 X 4 whitetail, a better 5 X 5 whitetail, a 15" pronghorn, a 5 X 5 mulie, a Kudu, Gemsbok, Springbok, and a Duiker all on the wall or on a pedistal. These are not there to impress others.....they're there because I like them and they part of my own hunting experiences. Frankly it means nothing to me how others got theirs....only how I got mine. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Canned hunt ? A retired NYPD officer recently told me about his "elephant hunt ". An elephant in the Bronx Zoo went crazy and had to be destroyed . He used a single shot Farquharson in 470. One shot did the trick !!! | |||
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I feel that high fences are a direct result of a need for quick and dirty, but guaranteed trophy hunts. Large "WILD" trophy animals are hard to come by, usually require an incredible time commitment, and are not found every year due to varying habitat/environmental conditions. These types of operations are nothing more than wildlife "Drive-Thru's" where you can order what you want, get it, and get outta dodge. It is too bad that our "I wanted it 10 minutes ago" culture has now spilled over into hunting (heck, my goal is to spend MORE time in the woods, not less!!), even sadder that SCI as embraced a scoring system for these animals and encourages it (I thought they were supposed to be protecting our hunting heritage, not adding fuel to anti's fire). Also, after watching a dozen or so different hunting shows, I would say 9/10 of these individuals have no business being in the woods! MG AC-I gotta little too carried away with some of my generalizations...my apologies. | |||
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Yeah, high fence pens should be bulldozed. Heck we've got some high fence pens down here in Texas that you could bulldoze completely flat in 3 or 4 years. And they are full of diseased deer. Its all over the news. What? You never heard of CWD in Texas?? You're damn right you've never heard of it cause we ain't got none. We do have some high fence ranches that you couldn't walk across in a day. We have some smaller ranches too that do have wild deer. I agree that hunters needs to be the first to condemn canned hunts but to generalize all high fence places as canned hunts is just not true. | |||
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Believe me Walker, when you have guys trading deer back and forth between game farms, you have CWD, amongst other's (TB). It is there, you just haven't found it. MG | |||
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Walker, AS I said earlier, a lot of the comments are made truly out of emotion not facts, kinda like the "whiskey/internet" talking. No point in trying to have a meaningful discussion. High fences DO NOT MEAN canned hunts. Do you hate canned hunts, well so do I. High fences are a completely and totally different issue. 465, I'm just saying don't rain on his parade. YOU KNOW better, after all it ain't gonna make book!! There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
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This whole issue is a crock of $hit. Anything to do with this stuff gives proper hunters a bad name. Being from BC and the type of hunting that I know, anything behind a fence is wrong no matter how big the ENCLOSURE is. | |||
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You really need to get out more | |||
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It's my understanding "Brokeback Mountain Outfitters" has a fine high fence operation in Wyoming...  | |||
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You're mean!   Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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Is that the same Buttf#cK Mountain Outfitters that hosted the recently released hit movie of similar title that is not drawing many viewers because of their homophobia? THE LUCKIEST HUNTER ALIVE! | |||
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Vapodog Good reply Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum | |||
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Rumor has it that BBMO also has a high fence even that is for the bareback riders...just one mo reason to evade high fence places! Mark D | |||
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...and those two cowboy guides will really get you into game... | |||
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I am frankly embarrased at Jimmy Houston. He is from Oklahoma and I thought he was a better sportsman. Those enclosures were pens, not high fence ranches. A high fence smaller than 1000 acres is a pen. Anything larger is of no consequense for whitetail. I don't know about elk. I doubt most of the folks dissing high fence have never been within 500 miles of one. Personally I don't like high fence for my trophys. I have only hunted one, one time in south Texas. It was 3600 acres and the only time you saw the fence was at the gate. But I knew. To each his own. Bullsprig Rose lipped maidens--light foot lads!!! | |||
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