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For your viewing pleasure......here are some bulls I've whacked out here in the west during the last decade. Dates and units/locations are given. All are public land, unguided, rifle bulls found and taken all by my lonesome. None are Arizona bulls. I've amassed 15 preference points here holding out only for the best tags or nothing. Utah Bookcliffs 2003  Utah Bookcliffs 2004   Northwest Colorado Unit 10 2009    | ||
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Nice line up of Bulls you have there. Did you draw the Unit 10 Colorado tag or buy landowner voucher? | |||
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Wow you hunted unit 10 without ever crossing private land? Impressive. | |||
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Really good looking bulls. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Sounds like you already know the answer to that, Snellstrom. Yep....cash is king.
Didn't say anything about "not crossing" private land, Einstein. However, since you asked, Wiz, try the following areas if you can actually read a map. Moosehead Mtn roadless area is easily accessible from public land from a number of locations. Tanks Peak area........well ditto. PJ flats north of Elk Springs......well ditto. Round Top Mtn.......easily accessed thru BLM land and is a large chunk of BLM.........ditto again. | |||
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Impressive. | |||
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Wow...a little sharp for a new guy. At least show us your good side first, that's what we did  .Perry | |||
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Todd, you got on to me a while back via pm about my attitude, pay close attention to how SG Olds asked his question above and then tell us who fired the first shot. Here is what Chis Darnell posted:
I think a lot of folks would have taken exceptipon to the way SGOlds posted his question. If you want to be open minded and see folks get along somewhat, look at both persons posts and see how you would have reacted. You might not see it but it looks to me that SG was either accusing Chris of lying or was just  to .Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Just-a-hunter, you started and contributed to some really good discussions recently and they lasted several days with lots of good comments from everyone that participated. On this one, you dropped the ball and said stuff that is beneath you, especially to a new member and especially when SGOlds question is of an accusatory nature. If I am wrong with my assertions to you or SGOlds, I apologise, but in this case I do not believe I am far off the mark with SGOlds intentions. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Crazy, what do you know of the difficulty of hunting Unit 10 only on public land and getting a great bull like that? I'm guessing you don't know the unit. Am I right? That's an impressive public land unit 10 bull. Anyone who has hunted the unit will tell you how hard it would be. I suspect your shot at me is based on past run ins, period. What I said stands both originally and in this post. | |||
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Nice bulls. I don't envy your job of packing out those by yourself though Moly! | |||
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Todd I call myself a Professional Hunter, because one half or more of my annual income over the last 14-15 years has came from guiding folks on hunting trips or helping manage properties for hunting. If you do not believe that makes me a Professional, that is your perogative, but I will call myself and feel that I can do so quite leginimately. SGOlds, no, I don't know a damn thing abpout Unit 10,the only bull I have ever killed was in 21, in Tommy's Draw just off of the Cathederal Bluffs. I also killed a muley buck that grossed 170 on that same draw on that same hunt, on Public Land in 1997, not that either of you will believe that. No, my shot at you would have been taken on anyone that posed the question the way you did. Todd, I do not care what Chris posted on another discussion, I just think you and SG both made comments that were unneccesssary. You want to express your opinion on stuff and want it to stay civil, and most of the rest of us would like that. But when ANY of us posts something about another member, that the person in question feels was uncalled for, they may not or will not be real civil in their response, that is their perogative. Do you have a problem with that? 12 friggin posts, and the man has been judged and found guilty! what a civil/respectful bunch of individuals we are.
I have been doing just that since 1998. I think I have earned the right to consider myself a professional hunter. One more little tid bit Todd, who the hell died and put you in charge of deciding how any of the rest of us should post or how we should feel about opurselves or our successes? See, you do not know one damn thing about any of us, other than ewhatYOU think about what we are saying. I do not know about Chris Darnell or anyone else including you or SGOlds, but I DO NOT have one God Damned Thing to prove to ANY of you fucking children. I NEVER brag about what I have done! If I say I did it, I God Damned Sure Did It! No Fucking Brag involved. I know what I have done and I have the proof for EVERY bit of it. You bastards can think what ever in the God Damned Hell you want to, I do not fucking care. I will continue to refer to myself as I choose to, I will continue to hunt the way that I enjoy, and UNTIL ANY of you Sunsabitches start paying for my hunts, your fucking opinions of me amount to bat shit. Now Todd how is that for civil. You want civility, you want folks to get along, Pay Attention to WHAT YOU Are Posting. Put me on ignore, I am sick of your pious ass. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Todd, all of us hunt for different reasons. All of us view hunting differently. I don't hunt for what anyone else would consider as a "Trophy". To me it is the whole experience that makes the real trophy. I don't brag on what I kill, I don't brag on anything I do. You seem to be a decent sort, but you should have learned by now, the internet leaves to much room for assumptions anmd factually baseless judgements toward other people. I don't know adamn thing about Chris or you or SGOlds or Ted Thorn. Each and everyone of you might be great pepople and great hunters. We might all be able to set around a campfire and get along just fine, but in reality it will never happen and not because of the  that takes place on here and in these discussions, it is because we all live in different social circles and have different reasons why we hunt and how we feel about hunting.I have NEVER asked you or ANYONE else to call me/refer to me as a Professional Hunter. But Do Not tell me I cannot consider myself as one, that is Flat Assed Rude, I do not care who the hell you are. Todd, you want discussions on here to be civil and all of us have respect for each other,that means ALL OF US have to play the same game. I do not care to follow anyone around, checking their posts/responses to see if they meet MY criteria as to who is and who is not a hunter. We have all had different experiences with our hunting and none of us like to be questioned in a manner that seems like someone feels that we are lying. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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 Nice elk. Perry | |||
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Bless your heart Crazy, if you want to refer yourself as a "Professional Hunter" for filling corn feeders and sitting people in tower blinds then by God, you should do it! You should print out some business cards on your printer at home that have that in bold somewhere on the front. Those guys are "Flat Assed Rude" for telling you can't be something that you want to be! My 5 year old nephew wants to be Spiderman so bad it's not even funny. You think I'm gonna tell him that he can't be Spidey when he grows up? Nope! Not gonna be me! I just tell him to follow his dreams Crazy. Maybe one day he'll really be able to shoot spider webs out of his ass and scale tall buildings and I ain't gonna be the one looking like a fool | |||
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Very nice elk! I envy your dedication to the hunt. Welcome to AR. Bryan | |||
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Well, I could imagine a different response to SG Olds inquiry about private land. Try this... SG olds, The bulls were taken on public land but I got permission to cross private land as long as I didn't hunt it. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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DANG DUDES!! Are you guys kidding me with this explosion of pent up crap?? I was only trying to contribute something worth looking at here in exchange for the great info I receive from the Africa forums. Really...that's all. Shall I go ahead and post my long list of big 'ol muley photos from all over the west.......found and taken all by my lonesome, DIY, on public land? What will happen if I mention that I possess my second........yes second Arizona Strip rifle mule deer tag for this November. What kind of cretin will I be then, huh? What about my big pronghorns one that scores 88.3" and is over 17" long? My response to Snellstrom was in no way pricky.....it was a brief straight forward answer with just a few words.....a typical response from me. Now the next guy.........was clearly being a sarcastic plick and got one back like he deserved. I ain't a punchin' bag for anyone on this planet. | |||
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Drummond I really do not care what you think or believe, your opinion is a meaningless as bat shit to me. I ain't gonna defend myself, what I do or how I do it over the meaningless patheric shit you spew forth. You have never met me, neverbeen around me, know absolutely nothing about me except from my posts and responses. If it makes you feel like a Real Big Man to make the accusations you do, be my guest. All it shows me is that your an immature small minded individual that really believes he is someone important. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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With Mr. Darnell's last response, I am beginning to see why you made the assessment you did. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Your answer to me was perfect and my question was in no way pointed I just knew you got lucky and drew a tag or got smart and did a voucher, I was curious. For some reason the other guys started off pretty sharp and in your shoes I may have responded the same. Welcome to the AR forums, this is actually a great place to hear opinions and at times listen to the collective intelligence of thousands of experienced people. I am real impressed with your Deer and Elk photos and enjoy seeing a successful hunter, please continue posting and ignore the jealous assholes that try to shoot holes in every post. I know how hard it is to find and kill good animals and I know first hand what kind of work it takes to pack animals like that out (especially elk). My hats off to you, good job. | |||
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And another thread turns into a pissing contest!!! | |||
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And this is a perfect example of why I will never post anything to do with one of my hunts on this site. | |||
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He has another thread in Alaska hunting, for those interested. | |||
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After posting hunting reports on this site from at least 7-8 diff African safaris, a couple of US hunts, a Canadian or 2, a Kyrgyz, an Aussie (and maybe a few other locales I'm forgetting I wrote about) I think I am with you on this now. It is not worth it. It's ridiculous around here anymore. Chris, nice trophies. I am sure you worked hard for those and can be proud. The BB hunt in the AK forum, you come off as a needy 12yr old girl. I think you should move on and look forward to your strip tag. Good luck with it! | |||
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Respectfully, but all you have "learned" is that not everything or anything a person posts/responds to on an internet forum, is not a true or accurate reflection on the person. The internet is a sterile atmosphere that leavestoo much to thepersonal interpretation of the individual readingthe post/response. There are not such things as voice inflections/eye contact/body language on the internet, additionally, not everyone is as computer literate as everyone else. You are entitled to your opinion Mr. Thorn, but to me judging a person purely over how they "come across" on an internet forum, seems extremely shallow and prejudicial. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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So true! Typed words show no emotion and can be interpreted many ways.
I read Snellstoms post as asimple question, but I read the answer as, smart ass! SG Olds post, I detect a little sarcasm but also one of impression! Yet again the answer, smart assish. How would one know unless they are present to hear the spoken word and see expressions.
I think wow! No one was punching! Not sure what to think. | |||
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I have not read the exchange between Mr. Darnell and Snellstrom so I can't make a comment on that. As for SGOLDS, it may just be the way he words his questions, but from my observations, and this is not just from the run ins he and I have had, but from his questions/responses in general, his wording is at minimum designed to question or discredit the persons honesty in what they post. I have no idea how long Mr. Darnell has lurked on the site before joining, how he rea-acts to having his statement's questioned, especially by a stranger who words their question in a manmner that would bring Mr. Darnell's honesty in what he has posted into question. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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CHC, I disagree. After seeing hundreds of posts by an individual...I and certainly many others know a lot about them. It is very easy to determine: who is a class act and who is not who I would share camp with and who I would not who I would trust in a transaction and who I would not You are right inflection and body language don't come across...but those that are class acts know that...so they post politely. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I don't know the guy from Adam, but he's killed some impressive stuff IMO. I personally don't care if it's guided or unguided. I like seeing trophy animals. I have to say congrats to the guy myself, and post up some more. I do know one thing. I've been lucky and killed a bomber muley or two myself. As often as not the first response is a negative one, i.e. "high fence"? Something posted to discredit what someone who's lucky enough to kill a huge trophy. Jealousy has a way of rearing it's ugly head amongst the hunting fraternity IMO. | |||
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You are entitled to your opinion, but having viewed a few posts myself on this and other sites, and having met quite a few folks off of the various sites, from personal experience, a person with the ability to turn a phrase oft times is not near as good a person as those of a slightly less eloquent manner. Personal/Face To Face interactions are the only way I believe the true measure of a person's character can be measured. I have set thru too many job interviews where the least qualified person was hired, simply because they had a good face to face persona. seen lots of good workers get turned away because they simply were unable to sell themselves. Having watched that from the standpoint that the new hire was going to be under my direct supervision and seeing the better qualified person get passed over in a face to face interview, and after having met some of the folks I have off these sites, I do not believe that an online persona provides any thing close to an accurate measurement of the individual. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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CHC, And you are entitled to yours and I would submit that if a person's "online persona" is measurably different than their "in person" persona then that person has some serious issues. I personally don't believe that a person who comes off as an arrogant, close minded, volatile, chip on their shoulder, braggart, "can't have anybody disagree with them", and "always get the last word in" on here it is unlikely they are going to be any different in person. Regarding you comments about job interviews and qualified candidates its apples and oranges. Job interviews are spontaneous responses to live in person questions. Plus you are assuming the hiring manager was looking for the most qualified candidate. Many times a hiring manager is looking for a specific skill and may not the best overall candidate. Maybe the hiring manager is looking for somebody they can "control" as opposed to the most capable. Making posts on here a member has unlimited time to decide what they want to post or not post. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Again differences of opinion in both scenarios. On forums, an individuals computer literacy skills can range from great to really poor. Having an opinion, even if othetrs feel it is a bad or wrong opinion, but being willing to stand behind their opinion, used to amount to something. On the internet, people seem to have evolved to want total consensus, regardless of the topic. I just feel, and this feeling/belief has came from actual experience during my life, that judging a person solely on one view of the person, especially when there is or has been no actiual PERSONAL INTERACTION in formulating that judgement is unfair to parties involved. To each his own, but personally, I will stick to the philosophy that one of the finest true gentlemen I have had the priveledge of knowing passed along to me. We were talking one day and I asked him what he knew about another person and told him what I had heard about this person. He looked me in the eye and said, "Randall, until you actually meet the person, look them in the eye and shake hands with them and actually talk to the person, making a judgement on basically minimal information is wrong". I have lived with that concept for close to 40 years now and have repeatedly found it to be quite accurate. Differences in where people were raised, the times they were raied in, who raised them and those folks beliefs and values that they passed along, and the experiences the individual has hadduringtheir life all combine to effect how the person reacts or "comes across" to others. Also since this is not the ONLY hunting forum on the internet, many of us join these places with built in prejudices/attitudes/reactions due to our experiences on other sites. Then when we go to another site we bring that baggage with us and the first time someone does something reminicent of problems experienced on other sites, we react often negatively. This isn't about me/you/just-a-hunter or anyother INDIVIDUAL, it isabout an attitude toward other hunters that seems to be becoming epedemic in proportions and I do not see that is accomplishing anything other than further dividing hunters. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre: I would submit that if a person's "online persona" is measurably different than their "in person" persona then that person has some serious issues. I personally don't believe that a person who comes off as an arrogant, close minded, volatile, chip on their shoulder, braggart, "can't have anybody disagree with them", and "always get the last word in" on here it is unlikely they are going to be any different in person. QUOTE] That is 100% Correct! With socoal media what it is today I would say that most people represent themselves more accurately on a keyboard than they do in person. They have more time to think about responses, go back and re-read others contributions then edit. You get a final draft of a response, that is at it's core, thought out and accurate (as seen by it's creator). Ted Thorn hit the nail on the head that "the more I read, the more I learn about people". Looking at most of the arguements that happen here there is usually a handful of people that are the common denominators. From the few times I have been in our PF it seems the moderators booted a bunch of the PF's common denominators. Perry | |||
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Excellent advice in 1972 Crazy. Not saying its bad advice today but its a big world with a lot of technology and the way people communicate has changed substantially. | |||
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The original poster has worn-out his welcome on other sites. He comes across as knowledgeable and has killed some large animals, but the way he expressed himself on other sites got under many people's skin. That said, congrats on the success and here is to hoping he tones it down as he does have a lot to share. | |||
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