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I'm sure this topic would more appropriately be on the target shooting forum, but we have so many "grouping" threads here.....I was curious what type of target others prefer to shoot at when sighting in their hunting rifles. I've become most comfortable with this diamond. For some reason it aligns the horizontal and vertical crosshairs very easily for me. GV | ||
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I also prefer diamond shaped targets for group shooting. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Grandview, I like that target, I especially like the fact that the center is light colored, helps eliminate 'losing' the specific location of your crosshairs in the bull. I use something similar in the shoot n see style from Caldwell at over 200 yards. At 200 I use a 5.5" bull Shoot n See. At 100 yards either a 1" dot or a 3" dot on a light backer. Good Shooting--Don | |||
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I use that same target for load developement, but with a red diamond. It's easier to see the impacts in the diamond with red than black. Congressional power is like a toddler with a hammer. There is no limit to the damage that can be done before it is taken away from them. | |||
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GrandView I like the diamond type targets as well. I put this one together using Microsoft PowerPoint. I use the points of the diamond as well as the dual hash marks for aligning the horizontal and vertical crosshairs and the white center circle also helps. The dark lines are 1/2" apart with the lighter lines showing 1/4" spacing. This helps a lot when adjusting the scope. firstshot ---------------------------- Make your first shot count! | |||
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Standard typing paper, three hole punched. I then take a stick on colored dot and put it in the middle. Cheap and convenient to put in the rifle log. I note the load, bullet weight, temperature, wind, humidity, date, and group size. I do not like black on my targets, too aggravating to find the hole with out going to the big scope. | |||
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For sighting in, I use the Shoot n c's with the diamonds. after, and I know where my weapon shoots, printer paper and a highlighter for dots. I find the highlighter lasts longer than the pack of flourescent dots. But heck, now that I have a plethora of printable targets from USPalma.com, I can play as long as my printer has ink. Thanks for the link there Grandview. | |||
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Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike wholly crap, that target is loaded with info. Cool. | |||
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FYI... Here's a link where you can print a multitude of different targets. They are all formatted PDF's. I print the diamond patterns from here. GV http://www.uspalma.com/Targets/targets.htm Edit: should have read the thread more thoroughly.......gixxer had already found the link from the attached target. Also like those dual hash marks, First Shot. | |||
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Gixxer, If you have powerpoint and access to 8.5x14 I'll email you the file..otherwise email me your addy aand I will print some and put them in snail mail to ya... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I never thought of using a bench as a target...hmmmmmm........ IV minus 300 posts from my total (for all the times I should have just kept my mouth shut......) | |||
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I'd venture a guess the 20ld propane tank that hangs out on the other side of the bay wouldnt fit in here either. I tend to use more than enough gun | |||
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I use this 100 meter target I made up with Powerpoint. Grid is 1 cm and horizontal upper line at + 4 cm for sighting in at max pt. blank range. André DRSS --------- 3 shots do not make a group, they show a point of aim or impact. 5 shots are a group. | |||
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I also like the diamond targets - either from US Palma, or from 6mmbr.com. It depends a bit on the scope (magnification & reticle subtension), which targets I prefer. The higher the magnification and the smaller the reticle subtension, the smaller a target I prefer. For quite a few of my hunting scopes with heavy reticles and magnification in the 8-12 range, I use a big round bullseye. With that type of reticle, you are more sighting in than shooting groups, anyway. I also print out my targets on regular printing paper. It is better to have them on somewhat heavier paper, though. The heavier paper does not tend to "tear up" as much, and you get a better group definition. But I'm normally too cheap to buy targets readily made up. Besides, for hunting rifles, this is probably of no great concern. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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I also like the black diamond targets. I just printed them off, then took them to the local printer and had them copy off a couple of hundred on heavier paper. Wasn't that expensive if I recall. It is a little difficult to pick up the shots, but I will usually walk downrange after a couple of groups anyway. Gives your rifle a chance to cool and helps in the exercize dept. as well. | |||
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Cool, PM sent. thank you. | |||
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I use the 8" round shoot-n-see targets with the numbered rings. I set them out with numbers going horizontal to 100 yards and turn the scope down until I can just barely see the numbers(I'm talking tiny here). I don't really pay attention to the cross hairs so much as I do the numbers. I line one number (say the 8) up just sitting on the horizontal hair and just touching the left side of the vertical crosshair. Keeping the scope to where I can just make out the number seems to give me the most accurate returning point that I've been able to find with these targets. I should note that if you try this, keep the point of impact about 3/4" above the number and inline with vertical crosshair so as not to shoot away said number. Shooting this was gives me 4 to 5 differant points of aim ( pick another number) depending on how tight a given rifle shoots. I kow this sound differant, but it works. It keeps me aiming small. And usually if you aim small, you group small. ./l ,[___], l--L=OlllllO= O_) O_)~-)_) If at first you don't succeed,,,failure may be your thing!!! | |||
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Hey Mike, are you sure that's not a template for the next episode of southpark? That is a really neat looking target! Never saw one like that. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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Mike, I got the E mail, thanks a bunch. | |||
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WOW! I didnt know that rednecks lived in Alaska. Just kidding. I have always wanted to shoot something that really blows up. | |||
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I use a regular bullseye. PETA: people eating tasty animals | |||
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An Iraqi "freedom fighter," or an 8x10 pcture of Ted "Splash" Kennedy.
"When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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With higher powered scopes, I pefer squares - I aim at one of the corners. The horizontal wire is aligned with the bottom, and the vertical with one side. Works much more precisely than the diamond target IMO, because you can focus the crosshair intersection. | |||
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