I'm putting this post up so I can hear some support to why Nosler's are talked up or down so much in the depths of these forums.

If you've got a story or experience you think is worth hearing with using Partitions,Solid Base, Balistic Tip, of Accubonds then put it up and explain why you liked it or disliked it so much.

I'm not as experienced with these bullets, mostly Barnes and little to that kill knowledge also, so I thought I would let the "Bees" sworm on this thread and see what comes up.

I did kill my first Blacktail this year with a 100gr. Partition out of a .243 win and I had a through and through and dead deer, worked good. So now I'm thinking a 180 or 200gr. Accubond out of my .300 WM or a 168gr. TSX.

Someone please give some experiences, Thanks

OK, I'll go first.

I have lost 3 deer which were properly shot with Nosler Ballistic Tips. I have also gotten deer and one elk with Ballistic Tips. No Ballistic Tip that I ever fired into an animal exited. All broke up into fragments too small to find.

Nosler Partitions were the original premium bullet. But compared to today's premium bullets, Partitions are not too impressive because they usually lose 40% of their weight and do not penetrate as deeply as many other premium bullets. So for large game, I would not choose Partitions, but they have always worked great for me on deer.

I think that what you're going to find in a lot of your responses is going to be... "I had this bullet fail once, so I'll never use them again", or the opposite... "It killed like chain lightning, so I'll always use them".

Too many guys base an opinion on one incident, and their mind is set.

FWIW, I like Noslers a lot (Ballistic Tips and Partitions). They have always treated me right, on everything from paper through groundhogs and up to deer.

But, I know that a failure could happen on my next shot, with whatever bullet I'm using at the time.

I have never had a NP fail. I've had Sierra ProHunters fail twice on muleys...one at 30 yards and one at 210 yards...both from a 270. Twice is one time too many!

I've shot about a dozen deer with Partitions. All but one died within 20-30 yrds of the shot.

One was shot at an extreme angle from a tree stand and it went over the near lung and through the opposite lung. A 130 gr .277" bullet, that deer ran approx 45 yrds and bled enough a blind man could follow before dying, the exit was big enough to stick 2 fingers in and the one lung was mush.

The only one that ever even got a second shot was a little 4 pt year before last, I shot it with a .243 and 100gr partition, hit it in the shoulder through both lungs, it took two steps forward and turned so I hit it again, entrance holes almost overlapped, exit holes a foot apart due to different angles, deer piled up, second shot not really necessary but my ego can withstand having to shoot twice without causing me a hardship

I think the partition is the bullet by which all others are judged for a very good reason, they work time and time again.

I look at them as two bullets in one, get a little resistance and they are a regular SP bullet, get into bone or hard resistance and they expand, cause great destruction and pass on through! What more could you ask for?

Mike

I used 140 gr Ballistic Tips exclusively in my .270 Win for many years, in fact since they came out with them. I never lost an animal, and always had exit wounds, except one, which was 35 yards away. Most of these were neck shots which broke the spine and still exited. In my .338, I use 210 Partitions. My first bull elk was a huge bodied animal over 10 years old. I was told by my guide friend to keep shooting since they are tough animals. Unfortunately he wasn't there when I shot my bull. The shot was about 175 yards and the bull was literally slammed to the ground!!This was with a lung shot, and the bullet exited. I push the 210s to 3050 fps. My new gun, a .270 WSM loves the new Accubonds, it shoots them into .25" groups, however I've not had the opportunity to try them on game yet. I use Sierras to shoot targets with.

You've already anticipated where this thread will go and you're right, it will diverge. Most of us will be either for or against.

I have personally killed hundreds of deer with a rifle (I know this gets old to you guys who've read this time and time again, so I am sorry), and the vast majority fell to Btips. I never knew they were a questionable bullet until fairly recently.

I have never personally recovered a ballistic tip. Every one passed through, no matter what it hit. Who knows, maybe it's because I pray before each shot and GOD answers with a YES.

My brother has downed so many deer with a Btip we lost count, my brother in law, my brother's brother in law...and on and on, our whole circle of guys used 270's and Btips. We just never ever had a problem. This all took place in many southern states and Missouri, and out west.

One of Dan Lilja's favorite recipes is the 130 Btip from a 270 Weatherby and a 30" barrel.

But, even with all of this combined experience, I would say, there is also enough equally negative experience to lead you on to a less risky bullet.

Partitions, gee, what can I say. They're cheap, they work, and they're accurate. Personally I do not care how much retention a bullet has when I'm getting my picture taken with the animal that fell to a partition.

Jim Borden shot a huge black bear up the spine with a partition and the bullet traveled over 24" directly up the spine from a 30 caliber wildcat...short magnum.

The bottom line is this, statistically speaking if you use a particular bullet, what is the risk of "failure" to "success?" Or prevalance?

Just like wearing a seatbelt. Sure there are times where an occupant has DIED because they were WEARING the belt, but what is that statistic compared to deaths caused from not wearing it?

As I have grown and learned more and more about reloading, and sharing experiences, hunting, etc., I am at a point where I prefer the least amount of risk for failure or performance that is less than my expectations. That is why I will shoot only premium bullets. And, it is my opinion that a partition is most certainly a premium bullet. It may be an antique but it is still a milestone and not one person can convince me that newer premium bullets were not using a partition as a model somewhere in their design as a reference. Failsafe, TBBC, AFrame, and several more are modified versions of a partition to some degree, IMO.

Why re-invent the wheel?

I personally like the solid copper TSX because you do not have a "hole inside a hole" concentricity issue like you do with lead core designs. The ease in which I have found these bullets to shoot accurately is almost getting boring. My worst group at 200 yards is 2 and a half inches with 3 shots and they still made an almost perfect triangle. (factory 300 SAUM, Varget, 168 TSX minimum charge).

Good luck in you choices.

I hunt to get my game, not recover bullets or examine exit wounds. I've used Nosler BTs for years - THEY WORK GREAT! And, they're the most accurate premium hunting bullet I've encountered - sans Sierra Game Kings, which are equal but not better. With BTs I've killed game of all sizes up to large bull elk - they all drop in their tracks when hit properly.

I shot some feral cattle with 286-gr. Partitions in my 9.3x62 a while back. Impact velocity was about 2,100 fps and the one that went the farthest made it about 15m. With that kind of performance, the limiting factor is Okie John, not John Nosler.


Okie John

If one has a choice and can afford to go hunting somewhere other than his backyard, it makes little sense to choose a bullet in order to save money. One spends a pile of money on a hunting trip. Saving a few bucks on a box of bullets makes no sense at all when compared to a mule deer hunt costing several thousand bucks. Choose quality. Ranked in order of quality, I would put the Nosler BTs at the bottom of the pile. For deer sized game they are fine when shot in rifles with modest velocity. I would never use them for larger animals like bear or elk. They shoot very accurately, but at higher velocities tend to break up. The Sierra Game King Boattails are similar. Second would be the NBT. It is a much more strongly constructed bullet, but the front half in front of the partition seems to disappear in most cases. They are little better than Speer Grand Slams. At the top of the heap would be the true premium bullets such as Swift A-frame, Trophy Bonded, Barnes X, etc. You get what you pay for in most cases.

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I have lost 3 deer which were properly shot with Nosler Ballistic Tips

So if the animals were not recovered,how can you be positive of bullet placement?

I've shot a lot of animals with various bullets. I've had failures from most brands of bullets, although only one from a Partition and one from an X out of maybe 50 animals taken with each. Failures have been the highest with High Speed and Ballistic Tips and Game Kings, both killing the animals with no exit wound but having literal explosions with shrapnel killing the animals.

Cold Bore said:

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Too many guys base an opinion on one incident, and their mind is set.

Preach on Brother!

Doc Said:

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I have personally killed hundreds of deer with a rifle (I know this gets old to you guys who've read this time and time again, so I am sorry), and the vast majority fell to Btips. I never knew they were a questionable bullet until fairly recently.

I have never personally recovered a ballistic tip. Every one passed through, no matter what it hit. Who knows, maybe it's because I pray before each shot and GOD answers with a YES.

My sentiments exactly.

I have recovered two on Frontal quartering shots (140 NBTs at 3210 MV). Both traveled nearly through the animal long ways and rested against the hide and yes, there was still lead in the Solid Base . Both of those deer were large bodied bucks. One went about 15 yards the other about 20+. It's a shame I didn't shoot them w/ an X Bullet, have the guts plug that teeny tiny exit wound and have no blood for 150 yards in brush chest deep .

I've never seen a NBT "Explode" or "Disentegrate" even when pushed to the limits.

Not saying they are your best bullet for Elk, Bears, Moose, etc. but, they are a heck of a bullet for a little ole' whitetail. I guess when they start wearing Bullet Proof Vest, I'll move up to the Premiums .

Good Luck!

Reloader

I have used BT's and partitions in Africa and in the U.K, yes the BT's do have the propensity ot break up, especially so at close range where maximum velocity is still present.

And yes partitions do tend to loose most of the front end when colliding with heavy muscle or bone, often becoming shapeless blobs, but can they be said to fail.

If the animal succumbs as a result, then the bullet has not failed, it may not look like a text book expanded "bear-claw", but are you putting the bullet up on wall up as "a tropy of a lifetime" or the head of the game shot.

JT

I have probably shot over 60 deer with Nosler bullets never had a problem with a Ballistic Tip or a partition and last year I started using the Accubond in my 7mm STW. I shoot High Velocity rounds and on close shots I have had Ballistic Tips come apart but they always made it into the vitals never have failed to do the job. People seem to think you need a nice round mushroom on a bullet to kill a animal and that is not true. A bullet that comes apart inside the vitals is going to do 10x the damage then one that holds together. Now that I said that I will also say if a bullet gets to the vitals I do not care what happends to it as long as it expands if it comes apart it is still in the vitals so it is like a bomb going off inside them. Now I know for DG you want a bullet that can go through a Mack Truck and for Elk sized game you also want a bullet that can hold up. You have to choose a bullet for the conditions you are hunting in. If I was going to be shooting 200 yards or less on Elk or Moose I would use a Accubond or Partition. If I was going to shoot past 200 yards I would use the ballistic Tip or Accubond. As for deer sized game I would use a Ballistic Tip at any range. Deer are easy to kill you put a varmit bullet through the ribs they will die. I have shot over 20 deer with a 220 Swift. I used 50gr B-Tips, 55 B-Tips never had a problem and those bullets are for varmits. A lot of people nock the B-Tip for comming apart but from my own experience Sierra, Speer, REM Corelocks and Hornady Interlocks are worse.

I don't care for Nosler BTs as a big game bullet. They're too unpredicatable and often too destructive. When I had to replace a pronghorn cape because a BT violently blew up on the entrance side, I decided to not use them anymore for any big game hunting. As a varmint bullet, the BTs as good as it gets.

Nosler Partitions are my standard big game bullet. Not that I don't or won't use anything else, but if I can't fine another premium bullet that'll shoot as well as I'd like it to in a given rifle, I can always count on Nosler Partitions to shoot with fine accuracy and provide great terminal performance.

I don't care if Partitions provide only about 40% weight retention. That's a big 40%, and that weight reduction comes after the front core has done a great deal of damage and after the rear core and jacket has continued to penetrate to its terminus. Even with a a 50-60% weight reduction, I've only recovered 13% of the Partitions I've shot into various animals. Most exited, and the bullets I've recovered have been lodged under the hide on the opposite side for the most part. From what I've seen, 40% weight retention is plenty in the case of the NP.

There has been speculation that Nosler will ultimately bond the front core to the jacket to create their own version of the Swift A-Frame. I doubt that this will ever happen, and I hope it does not. The current Partition kills very well BECAUSE of its design and construction, and I don't think this bullet can be fundamentally improved upon -- it provides the best of all worlds in one package. "Progessive reconstruction" in this case would be one step forward and two back..........

AD

I've used Partitions for years and if I do my part they work, period. I've never used BT on game but, I've had good luck with Hornady Interlocks on deer and antelope at 100 to 400 yds.

I think velocity is a big factor in bullet performance, not muzzle velocity per se but rather velocity at point of impact. Over 2700 fps strange stuff can happen to cup and core bullets. Not that they won't drop an animal but that they might make a mess doing it or not get enough penitration at extreme close range. Partitions unfailingly work at very close range and at the longest distances I care to shoot.

It is impossible to say if a bullet "failed" in absolute terms if you recover the animal. You might find that a bullet didn't penitrate a shoulder on a elk, but probably only after you put one into its lungs and recovered the first bullet while butchering it! If you never recover the game how do you actually know? I've recovered a few animals over the years where I've been able to determine that the first shot "failed" to a certain extent. Thing is that a second shot with the same bullet dropped the animal. So it "failed" once and succeeded the once? I've also recovered animals that I've placed the first shot poorly, even with Partitions. The bullet can do everythnig you want or expect, but if it's in the guts, you might not recover the animal. I personally feel that a bullet like the Partition that offers complete penitration is good insurance in case something goes wrong and you don't get perfect placement. I beleive I've recoved a few gut shot animals because there were two holes and massive internal damage that involved more tissue than if the bullet had only penitrated half-way through. I feel confident using Partitions and I've had excellent success with lots of "bang-flop" kills over the years.

My Brother and I have loaded hundreds of rounds of the Ballistic Tips in 25-06 and 270. Between us we have taken truck loads of deer with them.
I have heard that the larger caliber BT's are made tougher than the smaller calibers but we have had some really bad blow-ups and at least 2 instances they were on the ribs at 50 yards or less. I like the Hornady interlock much better for big deer. I would not even consider BT's for Elk.

Hawkeye47

It's not just if the bullet is a Ballistic Tip or not but how large the bullet is and how fast it's going.

One post here suggested that the 220 Swift shooting 50 gr BT's was good for deer. Of course it will work on some hit locations. But I am quite sure that a .30 cal 180 gr cup and core bullet will work on deer with wide range of hit locations as long as its still going fast enough to expand. That takes in just about all circumstances.

My argument is that there is a relativity to the size of the game and the bullet along with it's velocity.

I've shot a few hundred UK deer up to and including fallow with 90gr 6mm BTs at 3,200fps and 100gr 6.5mmBTs at 3,000 - 3,250fps.

I have a dog for blood trailing, it gets very little practice

Here's a few of the BTs I have recovered - bear in mind I shoot a lot of deer completely front on - the bullet lodges in the stomach - perfect.

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I have shot a few with the 120gr 7mm at 3,000fps. Even at 200yards the holes were too big for my liking.

Maybe the Accubond is the answer to all our thoughts.

offering the best of BT accuracy and the penetration and residual weight seen in the Partitions.

As has been said, fit the bullet to the game

the problem with the nosler partitionS is not that it looses its front core ...it designed to do that and to me thats one of the big pluses with the partition,what really worries me, and making me feel increasinly uncomftable with the partition is the amount of noslers i have recovered with the rear core missing ...i have especially noticed this when i have hit heavey bone ...the back core pops out with REGULAR MONOTONY....this is a real weak point with the partitions and needs to be addressed as its not an one of thing
daniel

The Accu Bond shows a lot of promise, and I may use the AB 225 out of my 338 Win. Mag. for elk this season.

That bullet has a BC of .550, which is incredible. What's even more incredible, Federal's 225 gr. Nosler AB load produced 2850 fps. out of my rifle's 24" bbl., and and ES of 12 and a SD of 9, if I remember right. Accuracy was superb. At that velocity, this bullet is +2.85" at 100 yds., +2.30 at 200, POA at 250, -3.75 at 300, and -16.10 at 400.

If the bullet holds together, this might just be the ultimate all-around factory load for the 338 Win. Mag............

AD

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Originally posted by Magnum61:
I'm putting this post up so I can hear some support to why Nosler's are talked up or down so much in the depths of these forums.

Thanks

Nosler is, by any measure, among the most successful, if not THE most successful producer of sporting bullets in the world.

Since Nosler does not produce any of the "semi-expanding" bullets that are so much in vogue these days, some people who favor such super-penetrators simply don't use Noslers. That's fine.

The Nosler Partition does usually give complete pentration on most targets, but only with the FMJ-equivalent rear section, thus producing a relatively small exit wound and not a particularly "good blood trail". However, the guys from the school of super-pentration like (for reasons known only to themselves) for bullet expansion to occur after the bullet has penetrated most of the vital organs; either that, or they just prefer to shoot their game in the neck by going through the ass. These guys seem to enjoy trailing mortally wounded game a long way, a sport that is facilitated by certain of the semi-expanding "premium" bullets. When you hear someone comment that the animal "fell on the spot" but that the bullet "failed", then you know you're talking to one of these guys.

Nosler's make bullets that pretty well cover the waterfront in application:

1. Ballistic Tip varmint: accurate, explosive, high ballistic coefficient for superior trajectory

2. Ballistic Tip game: accurate, fast-expanding appropriate to "medium" game like whitetails, etc., high B.C., solid base design gives more penetration than similarly fast-expanding conventional bullets, polymer tip resistant to nose deformation; drawback is that some people are turned off by the trauma that it produces ("ruined meat"), but it is trauma that kills the game quickly and humanely.

3. Solid Base: This old favorite is back again in limited offerings. Similar applications to Ballistic Tip, but a little slower expansion and slightly deeper penetration.

4. Partition: Very rapidly-expanding front section typically is shed from body of bullet and inflicts great trauma on vitals, rear 2/3rds of bullet penetrates deeply and is important when shot angle requires deeper pentration, appropriate to larger/tougher game like wapiti and African varieties (although it takes deer as well as any due to action of front section); drawbacks are that price is about double of conventional bullets and some guns do not shoot them as accuratley as some other bullets.

5. Accubond: Intended to provide the accuracy, BC, and nose deformation resistance of the Ballistic Tip with penetration characteristics appropriate to heavier game. It's too early to tell how successful this effort is, but it certainly has great potential.

Target bullets: Can't comment, as I don't formally shoot targets, but then I think your question was in regard to hunting usage, anyway.

There are MANY other manufacturers that produce excellent bullets for some of these same applications, and some of them are more economical than Noslers. However, if you subscribe to the philosophy that the free market knows what it's doing (as I know all of us good, red-blooded, Commie-hating outdoorsmen do), then it's hard to argue that Nosler doesn't produce a product that the market judges to be highly desirable.

Nosler partitions are the best bullet for my type of hunting. Up to 400 yard shots on elk, mule deer, and the occasional moose, goat and sheep. I have never lost an animal when using partitions. I shoot a 280.

I want the bullet to give its energy to the animal and yet penetrate through the vitals. The partion does both. I want it to LOOSE 40%+ of its wieght. That means 40% of the bullet went off, cutting and doing damage. The partition jacket produces a large cutting edge when it wraps back and the end core pushes the bullet through bone, muscles, and vitals.

Solid copper bullets do not transferr the energy like a partition. They retain alot of their energy to exit the animal like they do. I am not one who takes extreme shots such as up the back end or hip x the animal.

The partition works for me. I did get a box Accubonds as a gift so I will try them on close timber elk this Fall. Uhhhhhh, maybe I'll just stick with the partitions.

Bottom line is: Dead is Dead.

1894mk2,

That is exactly what I expect my deer bullets to look like. That is, if they don't exit which doesn't happen very often.

Good Picture.

Reloader

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Originally posted by MC:
Solid copper bullets do not transferr the energy like a partition.

LOL! Tell that to this guy...

Nolser for me has proven to be both reliable and accurate in most of the rifle I have owned. I have taken NA game with the NBT, Partition and last fall a couple with Accubond, only failure I have ever seen has been "the shooter" not Nosler! I personally think many deem a failure to a particular bullet when clearly the blame lies on their shoulders. It comes in many flavours ie: poor shot placement, not understanding the bullet design and setting up false expectations for the application, etc. We as hunters have to consider the intended purpose of bullet, evaluate how that fits into our situation and then determine which bullet will ultimately lead to success being obtained. Failure to do this or excute can not be placed on Nosler, Swift or any other bullet manufacturer shoulders but rather our own. Yes bullets do or can fail but in reality I believe the actual number of bullet failures to be low.

I think it comes down to personal preference when choosing a bullet, which is based in large part with past experience (game, accuracy, etc). You'll find good and bad with everything but for me the only real way is self evaluation which includes many facets as mentioned above. Nothing wrong with research, debate and opinions but I feel better forming my own vs hersay alone!

I have taken hundreds of Deer, several Elk, several Caribou, and a 91/2 ft. Brown Bear plus an Alaskan Yukon Moose with Nosler Partitions or Partition Golds. I have never lost an animal I shot with them, and I have no grips what so ever with them. I will shoot them today if they shoot best in my barrel, whatever the rifle is. I also shoot all the other premium bullets to decide what shoots best in my barrel. I have taken game with Barnes X and XLC, Swift A-Frame, and North Forks as well as the Partitions. I have shot Ballistic tips and Accubonds and find them accurate, but want Partitions if I am shooting at an animal. 90% of the time today the North Forks are the most accurate premium bullet for my rifles, and compare only to the Barnes X for toughness, and in some animals may be superior because of the larger mushroom. Bottom line, I still use the Nosler Partitions and will never talk them down, I will use them if they are most accurate, depending on the animal hunted. For the mean, tough and dangerous stuff with claws and teeth, I will have a North Fork in there. Good shooting.

Doc,

We want details.....

Distance? Bullet? Load? how far did you have to trail him? Good blood? etc. etc.

Nice Buck!

Reloader

Kansas, Dec 2004. Story is published in Trail of the Sportsman magazine.

30.06, 168TSX, distance: 55-60 yards, H4350, velocity, who gives a hoot. WWbrass, Fed 210 gold medal primer.

"how far did you have to trail him?"

No trailing necessary as is the case with all deer that have fallen to my TSX. He fell where he stood. Must have been enough energy there.

Most of the time I can see the animal start to buckle or fall with a shot. Not this guy, he fell so fast that he just disappeared from my scope.

Our opinions, our preferences, are products of our experience and expectations. That said, whether you prefer Nosler Partitions or Ballistic Tips, it's the right answer for you.

For my guns, the Nosler Partition is not an accurate bullet. The groups are generally 50-100% larger than loads based on Ballistic Tips or Sierra Spitzers.

I hunt whitetail deer and generally take neck shots. I don't need to break an elk's shoulder or penetrate a body length-wise. I do need accuracy, Ballistic Tip or Sierra accuracy.

HH

I don't know how many deer (Mule, Blacktail, and Whitetail) I've killed with Nosler Partitions. I've also killed elk, Black bear, and antelope with same. Calibers were .338 Mag., .30-'06, .308 Win. .280 Rem., and .250-3000 Savg. Never a failure. I could not possible care less how much a bullet weighs after shooting an animal. I'm too busy cleaning it.

The only time I've ever had to track an animal after shooting it was in Wyoming several years ago, when I had to track a bull elk I'd shot at about 400 yards, 210 grains Nosler Partition. Five and one half hours later, shot him again and it was meat in the freezer.

Did the Partition fail?? Hell no! I shot poorly that morning! The barrel didn't fail, the trigger didn't fail, the 'scope didn't fail, the Partition did not fail.... I Failed.

I'll stick with Nosler Partitions.

FWIW. L.W.

I'll grant that there are more accurate bullets than the Nosler partition, but few offer the consistent performance of the partition (JMO). I have never understood the pont of using a bullet that's "more accurate" when 90% of the hunters shoot their game inside 300yds (many @ tree stand range). I start my hunting load pref. w/ the NP, everything else is a 2nd choice. I am leaning more & more to the exc. NorthFork for heavy game, alos an exc. performing bullet w/ very repeatable performance.

There is nothing bad or ugly about Nosler Partitions or any of their plastic tipped bullets. I do not use ballistic tips and never have, but I have watched one of my brothers shoot a pronghorn with one of those 150gr ballistic Silvertips and it killed that animal immediately....and I think that is what they are designed for...soft medium sized game...deer, black bear, antelope.

As for NP, they are the standard that others judge themselves by...SAF, and the rest of the modern premium bullets. I do think that the NP would not hold up on large bone hits as well as some of the more modern bullets (SAF), but there are plenty of folks with plenty of experience that use NP on Cape buffalo, and other dangerous game, and if it is good enough for them it is good enough for me. I think the rear lead compartment may come loose and separate when the bullet starts to tumble before it enters the animal...but normally, the only way you know the bullet lost the back end is because you have both the beast and bullet...which is not bullet failure in my book. I have never lost an animal shot with a NP....but of course you do have to hit the beast where it lives. NP are simply great.

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There has been speculation that Nosler will ultimately bond the front core to the jacket to create their own version of the Swift A-Frame. I doubt that this will ever happen, and I hope it does not. The current Partition kills very well BECAUSE of its design and construction, and I don't think this bullet can be fundamentally improved upon -- it provides the best of all worlds in one package. "Progessive reconstruction" in this case would be one step forward and two back..........

AD

Well said, Allen! I think it would be a huge mistake to bond a Partition, as the front half equates to a vertiable grenade inside the chest cavity. All those secondary projectiles, along with the primary wound channel from the rear core is a hard combination to beat.

friar

Doc, that is why I said Dead is Dead. With that shot I imagine most any bullet would have made him tip over. All this bullet talk is just that, talk. Get what we like and use it the best we can. Man I need to get out and hunt.

The good thing about all this bullet talk is that there are many bullets avaiable to talk about.

For all you guys in the U.S you live in the land of plenty, with top bullets abound, all that choice, we in the U.K get there eventually.

Seems Noslers of all the types have worked well for many years and will continue to do so, looks like the Accubond will continue the tradition, long may it do so.

Get out there a shoot some lead.

At last I am making headway with another excellent bullet from the U.S, the Barnes TSX, these are the first Barnes bullets for me that have showed any real accuracy promise, early stages yet but already sub 1 inch groups in the .270, roll on.

JT

MC, I was just picking. I read that one statement and had to chuckle.

I agree, dead is dead.

If someone is using downloaded ammo, my primary recommendation is a Ballistic Tip.... under 2700 fps /MV they perform well enough to surprise you...
even down to the varmint bullet weights on big game.....


I am sure that last statement is hard for a lot of guys to swallow, but if you have the opportunity to test it out, I think the results will surprise you, just like they did for me!
I wasn't looking for the results that I found....
But I believe in whatever works!

cheers
seafire