I believe the greatness of the 06 is simply because it is a VERY well ballanced cartridge. That was a fact before it ever became grossly mass produced, incredibly versatile and THE general purpose cartridge .

As for the 308 vs a 30-06 remember this, the 30-06 was the GOAL of the 308 designers nearly half a century after the 06's introduction. And one vs the other is all subjective IMO.

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As for the 308 vs a 30-06 remember this, the 30-06 was the GOAL of the 308 designers nearly half a century after the 06's introduction. And one vs the other is all subjective IMO.

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I understand that the goal of the designers of the 308 was to produce a cartridge that would approach or approximate 30/06 ballistics, while being about 1/2 inch shorter, so that shorter machine gun and semi-auto actions could be built for it. In a bolt action gun for sporting use, the length of bolt travel is of negligible importance, but in a machine gun or semi-auto for military use, having a shorter bolt travel makes a great deal of difference.

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I don't know do you hunt with them, if not how many other rifles do you have and don't hunt with...

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I bet the gun manufacurers hate you Ray! What's with this well thought out, logical form of reasoning you keep insisting on using!

you're bringing logic into this, and there's just no reason to do that.

besides, everyone and his brother has an 06, or at least likes it. If I liked the 06 or had one, whyever how could I stirr the pot as I love to do?

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When in doubt, do a nuclear strike.

Good varmit, or deer round?

Flat?

s

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Originally posted by Curtis_Lemay:
Time to stirr the pot:

I'll take a 308 over an '06 any day.

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For what? Stirring porridge?

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Originally posted by Reloader66:
My 06 loaded with the 125 gr. controlled expansion bullet, shooting a charge of 54.5 grs. of Rel-15 has no equal when used to harvest deer, caribou, antelope, along with many other game species.

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Isn't the light bullet in .308 kinda short & stubby and lacking in good BC? Serious Q.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Now how in the world can a 300 whatever be called over kill by a 30-06 fan when at some point in range the 300 becomes a 30-06...Jest explain that to me, junior

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Now yer jest bein ornery.. And at what "point in range" does a 300 magnum become a 30-30? And who cares?...

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Originally posted by Socrates:
Anybody bothered to see how fast they could get a 110 grain bullet going out of a 30-06?

Good varmit, or deer round?

Flat?

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I got a box of 125 gr ballistic tips to play with but making up some loads is all Ive had time to do with them. The initial loads should produce between 2800-2900 fps. 3100 fps shouldnt be a problem and I dont know that Id want to push BTs much faster than that. I figure that 125 grains is enough bullet coming from a smaller caliber rifle for medium game so why not 30 cal, but Ray says Im confused.. He may be right

I maxed out the reloading manuals, about 20 years ago, and out of a 26 inch barrel, I think they pushed 32xx or so,IIRC?

Anyway, they were not very accurate, but, they didn't recoil much, either. Went back to Sierra boattails, 168's, and I like those for pretty much everything, and also a Sierra hollowpoint. Maybe that was a HPBT...
Anyway, they went flat, and tight.

Don't know how the 125's would be, if I played around with them a bit. Let me know how they work out for you, accuracy wise.

Always thought that would be the answer to the lighter calibers, light bullet, high velocity.

s

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When in doubt, empty the magazine.

Happy hunting

Now that about sez it all for the old 06, and what more can one ask of any caliber..It will compete with the best of the long range rounds with a 150 gr. Bal. tip for antelope or kill elk with aplomb with a 180 Nosler, Many a brown bear with a 220 gr. soft, and has dumped many a Buffalo and elephant with 220 gr. solid.

Now that ain't no lightweight, and pretty well dictates why it is the icon of all the countries of the world...Like the man said "it works but that is all"....

I don't shoot it much these days, but I wore one out before I quit, and I have not used anything much better since then..

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I love a .270 so anything I can't do with it requires a larger step than any .30 cal. That's why I bought a .338.

Mike

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Frank

Thanks for sticking with some of us that refuse to let the old 30-no-6 go away - As a life long Alaskan and old age creeping up on me, I set down my .338 Win Mag for the 30-06 last year and haven't turned back. Just this last late Sept. 2001 the old the 06 dropped a nice silver back/black paw 7 1/2 ft (20 inch skull) boar brownie while moose hunting in Yakutat, Alaska near Disenchantment Bay. As soon as I dispatched the brownie the moose started showing up. I was stuck at the cabin for a few hours fleshing and salting the hide and low and behold my other hunting partners start blazing away at a nice young bull. This brownie I dispatch was raising cane with the moose and it took the old 06 to get the moose hunt started. The end result of our hunt; Two, 3 year old bulls (830 lbs. of boned meat)and one beautiful brown bear.
The bear was taken from a 40 yard shot and was place from the side - lung, heart, shoulder combination which dropped him in his tracks, the bear tried to push up with the other good shoulder and I drilled him again in the neck and it was lights out after that.
The other end of this story - When it comes to brown bears, which I'm sure you'll agree Ray, always be a 100 yards or less no matter what type of rifle you shoot.

Here's my pictures: www.hunting-pictures.com/members/CK/index.html

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Get a free account and post away!

Mike

Thanks for the heads up on the web page.
Now you can see what I was talking about.

www.hunting-pictures.com/members/CK/index.html

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I take it meese are fairly abundant in the Juneau area? Spent a great summer there about 35 years ago.

Been having this daydream about riding the Alaska ferry up from Washington, and hunting moose....

Isnt that the end point of ANY round? The 3006 has so much versatility its amazing. There is no walking animal on this earth that the 3006 couldn't take with one shot, dropping the animal in its tracks. That is fact. You just have to know how to use the round properly.

The 3006 sure mastered the deer I have shot with it!

Denton, not a whole lot of moose around Juneau area, but 50 - 200 miles from Juneau the hunting is OK. That hunt with the bear/moose was just out side of Yakutat, Alaska, some 175 + - miles from Juneau.

Chris aka CK

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I have six 30.06 rifles, am I wierd?

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Yes you are, I only have 5, I had 6, but sold one so I wouldn't be weird!

If I don't pickup my 338 Win Mag, I pickup the 30-06 most of the time for hunting.

I have two pre 64 Win 70 06�s. I hunt everything in Mexico with them. One can get ammo for it even in gun-unfriendly Mexico...

I am not really picky with calibers and will hunt with practically any rifle.

Antonio

I like that bear a lot it looks like it will make a nice rug...

Did you damage your rifle somehow, the bolt handle was sticking out the wrong side??:-)

Mike

I'll have to take some photo's of rug when it's done (Feb.-March 2002?). Should be quite the looker.

Your right about my rifle being damage.....for 3/4's of the world's rifleman that shoot from the other shoulder....:-)
The strange thing about it, I am right handed, but I shoot better left handed ( left eye thing), so I quit trying to fight it and started shooting lefty about twenty years ago. It works for me.

Mike

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Ray Atkinson

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Hell with the color, where I live the dam rifle should have gills and fins also........:-)

Chris

I am not bad mouthing the 3006. It is a perfectly adequate cartridge. It is not the perfect varmit round, the 22 - 250 is better. But you can load some pretty light bullets in a 3006 and it will work. Same thing on the heavier side a .340 wby will throw a heavier bullet flatter at a longer distance. As far as 30 cals go my preference has been a 300 win. It will shoot any bullet flatter than a 3006. And I will never shoot either of them at varmints so I like that little extra zip for big game hunting. Like I said nothing wrong with the 3006 just not a fan of it.

Happy Hunting

I will alow you to have all those 06s as long as you tell me that you have "specialty" loads...like for the 20" 03 a 200 grn or heavier round nose...

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