What can be built on a wsm action?just for kicks if the ammo dried up?Also how many brass cases, should get one by in times of shortages/outages?500?any recommendations from the reloaders/brothers from the dark side?Iam going to buy some brass for sure.I like my little wsm!Its cute/nifty little hikeing/knock about rifle thats shoots great groups!

Dang I was going to buy a 405 winchester to shoot and am afraid that in 10 years there will be no brass.I called Hornady today and they said they would make it as long ass people shoot it.The problem is that most 405 owners as in winchester 1895 keep it unfired.I bet probally 85% of the shooters wont shoot their 1895s.The guy at hornady said the only was winchester would build the guns was if Hornady would load the ammo.You would figure that Winchester Ammunition would do this.The other rifles are the Ruger #1 ,Thompson Center Encore and one more single shot.This cartridge most interest me because of Teddy Roosevelts explots with it.I will buy the gun but without brass its a hunk of steel and wood.I see the wssms this way in probally 5 years no ammo with brass for a while.The 357 maxium was very popular when it came out in 1983 and got trashed by the same writers that prased 6 months before.There is no factory ammo none has been made in about 10 years.Ruger recalled its 357 maxium revolvers and the guns trickled away till there were none being made.The ultra mags will also probally disapear from Remington.Last year the quit chambering the 338 win mag to chamber the 338 ultra mag.There were enough people complaining that the brought back the 338 win mag and there is only one noncustom gun left in 338 ultra mag.I see it gone soon.Yes you can form brass for the wsms and even wssm but its a pain in the butt.I would hate to have to form wssm I bet they would be a pain in the butt.I guess remington has slowed production of the rum brass because its going up in price big time.I saw some 375 ultra mag brass for $325 /500.I bet there are not more than a few 375 ultra mags around.I bought up a life time supply of 416 rem mag brass because remington decided to quit making it for almost 7 or 8 years.The 416 rem mag can be formed from 375 H&H brass but that brass is getting hard to find also.I shyed away from a 416 ultra mag when the 375 ultra mag brass went up so much.If Winchester ammunition company went out of business do you think Remington would make wsm and wssm brass.I bet not,I knew that too many cartridges at one time was going to cause a mess.Now thast Winchester is gone as we knew it and grew up with there will be others to follow.Remington has been loosing money also from pensions and lawsuits.If they closed we shooter would be in a big mess.

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So it seems to me that magnum mania comes and goes in highpower, but never stays.

HP, I don't doubt a single word you've said in the slightest...but what on earth does it have to do with hunting/varmint/plinking rifles? It's not as if most people clicking on this thread are trying to find out what to compete with in any sort of competition.

Recoil, barrel burning, etc...yeah, if I had to fire 20 round timed strings on a daily basis I might want less of those. But how applicable is that to people here? I haven't had to pull the trigger more than once to fill a tag in 15 years. Yes I practice a lot but I can take my time and use lots of padding.

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Originally posted by Jon A:

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So it seems to me that magnum mania comes and goes in highpower, but never stays.

HP, I don't doubt a single word you've said in the slightest...but what on earth does it have to do with hunting/varmint/plinking rifles?

Read the entire thread again, and you will find out.

If my post does not interest you, skip right past it.

I don't need to read the thread again to know somebody else brought it up in this particular thread. Maybe I should have been more clear--you seem to go out of your way to say how worthless magnums are in nearly every thread about them that you enter here--ones where nobody is talking about competition. Maybe I should have asked in one of the others instead here if maybe the reasoning you've explained in this thread isn't coloring your comments in the others--but you usually don't give the reasoning in the others.

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Originally posted by Jon A:
I don't need to read the thread again to know somebody else brought it up in this particular thread. Maybe I should have been more clear--you seem to go out of your way to say how worthless magnums are in nearly every thread about them that you enter here--ones where nobody is talking about competition. Maybe I should have asked in one of the others instead here if maybe the reasoning you've explained in this thread isn't coloring your comments in the others--but you usually don't give the reasoning in the others.

You like magnums? Shoot magnums. Why do you care what I think of them?

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Yes, I do like magnums, I have a 7mm Rem Mag, a 300 WBY mag, and a .458 win mag

Yes, I shoot them often, the .458 is really a kick too shoot

I really don't care what you think of them!

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David Tubb...In the meantime, he wins the 2004 LR championship with this 6 mm XC and a 115 grain bullet. So it seems to me that magnum mania comes and goes in highpower, but never stays.

The 6mmXC is a 243 bullet in a modified 22-250 case. THis year's top four shooters in Highpower won shooting the Tubb 2000 rifle is 6mmXC. Maybe the trend is in SMALLER cartridges in Highpower?

"Without Winchester,Will The WSM and WSSM survive?"
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Quite frankly I dont give a cats continental or fury rats ass, there was never really a great shooter/hunters need for them anyway,I would not miss them.

If you cant cover most of whats in this world of big game hunting in terms of animal and sensible situation,with a 270win and a .375H&H then the problem is with you.
Ammo so easily avail,
So easily resaleable,
Feed wonderfully.
Perform admireably.
Classics to boot!

The only thing the WSM's offer are existing levels of performance, in smaller lighter packages. Some folks like the idea of getting "magnum" performance in a short action bolt gun, others don't.

In situations where you are hunting gun in hand, all day, day after day, there is something to be said for shaving a pound off your rifle. If youre sitting in a stand, have your rifle on your back, or just don't notice the weight of your rifle, than the WSM won't appeal to you, and you won't understand it's application.

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Without Winchester will the wsms and wssm survive?

NO...but they wasn't going to survive even WITH Winchester.....

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Originally posted by HP Shooter:
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David Tubb...In the meantime, he wins the 2004 LR championship with this 6 mm XC and a 115 grain bullet. So it seems to me that magnum mania comes and goes in highpower, but never stays.

The 6mmXC is a 243 bullet in a modified 22-250 case. THis year's top four shooters in Highpower won shooting the Tubb 2000 rifle is 6mmXC. Maybe the trend is in SMALLER cartridges in Highpower?

Yes, that's exactly what is happening. Tubb dumped the 6.5-08 as soon as he developed the 6 XC.

Lack of recoil is one of the reasons why AR15s just lay waste to M1s and M14s in the rapid fire stages.

Paul H made some valid points. Same reasons I purchased a 300 WSM after being a diehard fan of the 300 Win. I see nothing wrong with trying new things. It's interesting and I learn as I go even if I make mistakes in the process.

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Why do you care what I think of them?

If you don't want people to care about what you think, why do you post what you think on the internet?

Hmmmm....

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Originally posted by dgr416:
... I hate the Savage bolt it looks like a clunked up mess of parts that someone threw together.I also hate that barrel nut.If they got rid of thouse two ugly ass things and put on some good wood they would have a decient rifle...

I will never buy another Savage bolt action.Maybe they are alright for a varmit gun but I would not trust one with any round 300 mag or larger.The Savage action looks like some kinda junk a plumber slapped together.

The Savage will never pass itself off as a Rigby or a pre-war Model 70.

Have other traditional DG rifles so may never be tempted to use my Savage for that purpose.

As far as strength of the action, the Savage is routinely used with any caliber/cartridge that will fit in that action size. Haven't heard of widespread problems of action failure, but may not be looking in the right places.


But the barrel nut and bolt is why a lot of folks love Savage. With the barrel nut headspacing system the gun is a swap barrel deal straight from the factory. With the "clunked up mess of parts" the bolt is interchangeable for bolt head size and push-feed/control-feed use.

Factory barrels are available on the market. With one rifle all the calibers Savage ever chambered for are available. With Shaw there is the complete list of every factory chambering by any maker available and a lot of wildcats. Add in Pac-Nor and every chamber imaginable is ready.

Don't need to send the gun off for custom chambering or fitting. Just a phone call and a card number and a new rifle is at your doorstep the same week to play with.

Once you have done it a couple of times, takes not much more time to change barrels as to change Winchoke tubes on a shotgun.

New ready-to-go barrels are as little as $68.

Where else can you get a new toy every month ?

Again, this isn't everyone's cup of tea, but to some of us it is.


Hammer

I bought a 7mm-08 200Stevens (Savage without the accutrigger and wearing a blue-grey stock) for $252 including the dealer's cut. I can switch from 7mm08 to 308 in five minutes, in 15 minutes I can change bolt head and use a .223 barrel. It is astoundingly accurate. Cost me hundreds less than some of the more respectable competitor's rifles that have got nothing beyond looks and name. One gripe is it's four round magazine so is not feasable for highpower in bigger that 223 size cartridge but I'm a AR HP shooter anyway. I can spend the money saved buying the rifle on a 300Whisper barrel.

As for looks I guess one can spend a few hundred more for some dogshit piece of crap to impress the dumbass standing next to you on the range but I won't.
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Hammer, Nelsonted, good on ya slamming the anti-Savage snobs would would not recognize engineering excellence if it hit them in the ass.

I don't have one, but I admire their elegant design (in terms of smart engineering) and their incredible accuracy.

The .270 an d.300 WSM, maybe, the WSSM's were stillborn to start with.

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Originally posted by blackbearhunter:
What can be built on a wsm action?just for kicks if the ammo dried up?Also how many brass cases, should get one by in times of shortages/outages?500?any recommendations from the reloaders/brothers from the dark side?Iam going to buy some brass for sure.I like my little wsm!Its cute/nifty little hikeing/knock about rifle thats shoots great groups!

If you had a WSM rifle and ran completely out of brass (very unlikely that Olin would let that happen no matter what happens to USRAC) you could always rebarrel that rifle to a round off the 6.5/350 Rem Mag case. Brass for those rounds would never disappear because it is the standard belted magnum case shortened. Sean