I done a friend a favor and built him a lifter for his E-Tech. Money here is not like in alot of places so in kind I received this rifle.

On the chamber area is stamped Springfield 30 cal. 1906 on the left side of receiver is Model 30 Express with a ser. number in the mid 17,000

Has the stripper clip top, 2 pos. lever safety on right, a hollowed bent bolt shape and the claw extractor.Carbine version with the 20"bbl. The wood is a generic style with a want to be schnabel tip and with a cheekpeice. Sights seem to be original.

Very little rusting for such an old rifle. Appears to be in pretty good shape.

Clue me in on this and what is the possibilities of rebarreling it to the venerable 9.3 x 62. Does the bolt need to be heat treated? Really how old is this rifle

Looks like a keeper to me. Finally a Rem. with a claw extractor.

regards,

Not a lot of them around. It'll do just fine with a new barrel in 9.3 X 62 and little if any other modifications.

Heat treat on them has not been a problem.

They were basically P-17's that Remington had after WWI and had to do something with them to sell.
I've had 3 of them and all shot well: two in 30-06 and one in 25 Remington.
They are begining to get more collectable so if it is not real ratty. That sounds like an older one.

There are fairly hard to find in any kind of original condition. If I was going to modify it I'd go all the way to .375 H&H. That's not a knock against the 9.3x62 but you can build a 9.3x62 on any standard length action.

What's not to love about this:

Weagle

weagle, that is stocked far better than this-clue me in. You mentioned the .375 H&H is this what you have done with this action? Trigger pull on this is alot to be desired. How did you overcome the trigger?

You should be able to sell or trade your M30 for enough to be a good down payment on a commercial 9.3 X 62 or .375HH with a modern single stage trigger. Old Remingtons don't yet have the collector value of old Winchesters but they are starting to go up. Only 20,000+ 30S and 30's were built and the carbines were among the rarest variations. My 30S 30-06 is among the most accurate of my rifles old or new. Sometimes it even outshoots my beloved 720.

I placed an order weagle for a B&C carbelite stock and a sportsman trigger for this p-17 receiver-should expect it to work out fine if I got it together thus far on this rifle.

I have a frend who has an enfield in .375 H&H
I have shot it a few times and it works great !
I would build a whelen on a an american military action, if I wanted a 9.3 I would trade that action for a mauser. Only cause it sort of fits to me, they all would work fine.
...tj3006

Enfield actions in general, and model 30s in particular make EXCELLENT big bores... I have built 3 500jeffe on them, Hogkiller has a 458 and working on a 375, Rocky is doing a rigby on one.

There is NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING that has to be changed on this rifle to make it a good shooter.. nothing to heat treat (up or down) etc... you could take this all the way to 9,3x64 and have anh additional 150fps over the x62 ...
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can you post a pic of the stock?

If it were mine
timney trigger (yes, I know I said you don't have to change it)

replace the lyman sight that is SUPPOSED to be on it.

rebarrel... 9,3x62 is the easist, 458 lott is the most practical, and 550 magnum is about the biggest

barrel band front sight and sling

go shoot

jeffe

Hogkiller has one of the nicest 458 Lotts you'll ever shoot on a 30S. To make it work with a 375 you'll have to grind the rivets that hold the magazine box together, reverse the end cap and re-rivet or tig weld. This gives you the length you'll need for full length magnums.

I'd hate to see the old gal chopped up at all!

I'd like the collector or nostalgic value alone...

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
To make it work with a 375 you'll have to grind the rivets that hold the magazine box together, reverse the end cap and re-rivet or tig weld. This gives you the length you'll need for full length magnums.

Numrich sells a magnum length magazine box for the 1917 enfield, which should fit... magnum mag box

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can you post a pic of the stock?

yes, give a little time to advance in computer skills here and I'll do that.

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Numrich sells a magnum length magazine box for the 1917 enfield, which should fit... magnum mag box

thanks,

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I'd hate to see the old gal chopped up at all!

Once I first seen this given as trade I set it down and realized I had come across something here. It wasn't until I posted here that it had the mag. length receiver an great history with high favor.

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replace the lyman sight that is SUPPOSED to be on it.

meaning the rear military peep? It has something that looks like a 3/8th dove Marble rear with elevator.

been looking for the possibilities for a big bore. Got in touch with you jeffeosso about your rifle - the 416AR. Now I will probe and ponder since this is the only good donor.

Read up in the wee hrs. on the p-17 and how it was perfectly suited for battle conditions. Ranks with the mauser. So in my enviroment here in Alaska this is perfectly suited for my future hunts and carries.

Wonderful news, not often one comes across an excellent trade.

regards,

grizz007,

I have a nice Redfield #70 Micrometer peep sight with "hunter" knobs for that rifle if you're interested.

First off, I would echo Seafire, carbines are a rare find. If it is original, and very clean, I would sell it to a collector and buy the more common rifle version. I woulds also get the later made 30S, as they cock on open, instead of on closing as your carbine probably does. The later 30S's also have a better stock design, and a bolt guide.

The rear sight jeffe was referring to, is the Lyman 48. Probably the best receiver sight they ever made. Both of my 30S's have them, and they will stay on them.

Here is my Lott


This is one is going to be my 375 H&H



Hog Killer

Hog Killer, them 2 look quite nice. I doubt I will ever scope this rifle. The existing 3 1/2 long rear buckhorn type is going out for sure. This 30 is not as clean as a collector would expect. The metal is 60-65% but the stock is butt ugly.

The cocking upon closing for me is unusual and takes some getting use to. But I am rewarded with a great opportunity to build a fine rifle maybe in not such spendy regards as some here do but a couple thousand bucks for sure at max.

What is the diff betwixt the Lyman 48 and the Redfield 70? Peep is on many of my rifles so I may go that route.

Got to do alot of considering, the .416AR, .375RUM, .358NM, 9.3 - doubt there is anymore bigger bores needed for what I hunt and where I live. Can only dream of wading across the pond.

Nice specimans HK. thanks.

regards,

grizz, here is what I would do with your Model 30. Install an enfield speed lock, to change it to cock on open. Replace the trigger with a Timney Sportsman(item# 110)(easy job). Go to e-Bay or some other auction site and get a second variation Lyman 48 sight to mount in the holes that are should be already D&T. This is the same as the ones on my rifles.(period correct) If you can find a later style take-off stock get it, much better "eye appeal". That or use a new Enfield sporter stock. If you have no use for ammo stripper clips, mill off the guide. If you are going with something in the 375 H&H lenght, follow what tigertate said about the mag box and get a mag lenght follower.

Have fun,

Hog Killer

HG, will do and thanks.

The message so far is ; Don't mess up a nice rifle. It is a collectable and worth a lot more now then it will be chopped up. A PLASTIC STOCK. get the barf bag!
Good Luck!

that is funny hawkins, really it is. This rifle has no bearing with fianances or monetary worth-all that can go in the barf bag! The message I received is the potential of the rifle. later!

The potential of the rifle for modification is exactly the same as a 1917 Enfield action. As it is now, it is an interesting, historic collectors item. If you don't respect Hawkins or me please respect that old rifle. If it made it up to Alaska in the 30's I'm sure it could tell some tales. Get a 1917 or modern action that would be more suitable to your project.

I went to another site and found some 14 page of history on the numbers of Winchesters, Remingtons and Eddystones. Quite a historical peice.

My apologies on the "barf' comment, his comment did not need to be so suggestive and vice versa. I wanted a temporary stock apart from this "club"

Still yet I am moved on the '"fact" of historical value. Still leaning toward rebarreling and not changing or modifing the receiver toward any caliber.

It "clicked" that to keep the receiver the same is just to rebarrel to the .338-06, keep the original barrel, restock, retrigger and do the rustblue on the metals. Nothing but a fine rifle.

Gonna be "used" and hunted with. Yes, I in fact know the old Indian gentleman that originally owned it. It has stories that I am aware of that will rival any stories that some here have as well. We have hunted together and know each others families well.

Yes, courteousy is a 2 way street.

regards,

The 30S may share common forgings with the Enfield but to say they are the same is to ignore about $1000 worth of gunsmith time to make an Enfield look like a 30S. They make a fine custom rifle and if you keep the parts like you said, no harm done. Personally, I'd do a 338-06 too. Or even a 35 Whelen.

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:

Here is my Lott


This is one is going to be my 375 H&H



Hog Killer

These are very fine rifles, and I would put them in the same class as newly-built custom rifles that people are spending 10K on today.

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500grains: These are very fine rifles, and I would put them in the same class as newly-built custom rifles that people are spending 10K on today.

Ditto. Getting harder to find and more expensive too. I have an original 30-06 carbine, love it.

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They make a fine custom rifle and if you keep the parts like you said, no harm done.

tiggertate, late last night I went took out the ejector and noted that some light rusting was on the coil spring-cleaned it up but now came to the realization that rusting weakens metal to some extent.

broke down the bolt and came across on the back of the firing pin once it was out of the bolt the stamped letters of EN and asked my friend about the rifle once again. he mentioned that the original bolt was lost at one time and a dealer found one to replace.

that being the case changes the whole pic. (shrinking shoulder) so now I am gathering the nerve to make a decision- terrible hun?

it is easy to relate on 500's comment about the quality of a rifle when one has an action like this to begin a project.

one question I do have and that would be to compare the ejection of rounds. I have that j.c.Higgins that was rechamberd into the .30-338 and when rails were worked over properly,thanks to timan so no more doubling up but it does not throw the emptys like I am familiar with. Does this apply to this particular receiver after bolt face opend up and rails worked over and mag well opened up? just mulling. need your guys help.

Others might disagree but if the bolt is not original to the rifle then I would have no problem customizing it if it were mine. I sold the second 30S to Hogkiller because I couldn't bring myself to chop that one up. I'm also helping him look for another buggered one so he can have his trilogy:

300 H&H
375 H&H
458 Lott

FWIW, there is a real clean 30S carbine in GunsAmerica for $1295. Looks to be a 90% gun or better.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
The 30S may share common forgings with the Enfield but to say they are the same is to ignore about $1000 worth of gunsmith time to make an Enfield look like a 30S.

and if you try to do it yourself, you'll wind up buying a surface grinder (i am looking) to get these done better...

an enfield (1914, or 1917) is only cheap if you do most of the work yourself... if you pay for it to be done, it's a steep bill, as the smith should charge you shoprate for whatever long it takes.

IMHO, Keith's 458lott is the perfect 458 lott... other than being 1.25" too short in the stock.

if the boltface was still 30.06, I would have a hard time not having it rebored to 338-06 or 35whelen...

if it's already a mag boltface, 375, 458 lott... don't try the "big n weird" stuff, 416 rigby, 500 jeffe, or 505 gibbs, as they will eat your lunch for a first project.

jeffe

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if the boltface was still 30.06, I would have a hard time not having it rebored to 338-06 or 35whelen...

needless to say ones different perspective is priceless, here in this forum there was much discussed and all appreciated,

the bolt face hasn't been opend, my thoughts too was the .338-06(be the second one in the home), rebore was not even considered. I won't jump into the "project" yet-had a discussion with the wife.

Not like this will need parts, but I eventually figured out Numirchs and order some small parts. This did have the coil ejector spring, so when the bolt was replace the smith obviously took upon himself to have it installed. Murphys law is if you don't have it you will need it , on the other hand if you got it you will not need it.

The more I handle this and make observations over again it is one fine rifle--smoooth darn bolt almost like it slides on glass even if the original bolt was replaced.

In the days of the pipeline and working on workover rigs I would have easily have spent that kind of money for that rifle in GA.

jeffe, that 416AR does have my attention. One day as the yrs go I would like to wander around more often as the rumors have it that gold is lying around "up there" in them hills but so is alot more Grizz-what a nuisance. Be a good gun to have.

just rambling, getting easier to do lately.

Grizz,
the 416 ar is a neato ride! but, seriously, the enfield is so large it would be wasted on one.

now, a ruger carbine in 30-06 could be reworked.. my first 458 AR was on a 21" barrel, and it EASILY topped 2300
with 500gr bullets
jeffe

jeffe,
I can get my hands on a .303 british p-14 from the same friend as I was talking with him this morning. Original battle condition, ladder sight and all. The stock needs to be replaced, guess a bear was chewing on it yrs back. It is stored in this fellas cache.

What is the bolt face on that? just ponderin.

regards,