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......Any one got any you would share .,. any stories of how they worked .......? .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | ||
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Yes, I too would like to hear from others regarding the 9.3x64. Tasso | |||
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I will go look up my old data but the powder was H4350. IIRC it was 75 grns behind a 286 grn Barnes Mike  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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gumboot try 64 grns of IMR 4320 behind a 286 NP. It's mild load but work up with caution. I used my RWS 293 TUG, the old style, for my moose this year. (out of curiosity) The shot was a little over 100 yds. It wasn't what I expected. I was expecting full penetration, and better bullet entacment. The bullet was blown apart. Not much left at all. In butchering it we were finding pieces of the jacket in the oppossit ribs. This year it's NP's all the way. | |||
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Here's a story I found:The story - 320 grs | |||
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68 grains of VV N140 RWS cases, WLR primer, 285 grain Lapua Mega bullet. I've used this load to take Red stags Bang flop! The Lapua bullet is said by some to be little soft, it's fine for deer. | |||
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My 9.3x64 will group the 250 gr Nosler BT and the 286 gr Partion and the 293 gr TUG very close to the same spot @ 200yds with a max load of 4320. The 286 partion is the better bullet for large game. However the 250 gr ballistic tip is quite good. It is now discontinued and has been replaced with a similar bullet of the new accu-bond construction. I have not tried those bullets. I used the 250 BT on nice cow elk this fall. Through both lungs and exited through the off shoulder from approx 300 yds.She didn't make it 10 steps. I have also been trying the 250 and 300 gr Swift A-frames. They penetrate like crazy but are more of a round nose bullet . The 286 partition may be the bullet of choice if I could only have one! | |||
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I've used the 286g Partition with IMR 4350 at around 2500fps on a black bear, moose and 2 wolves. Unless you need super deep penetration on XL game a 300 mag with 180g partition provides a wider and more distructive wound channel for the lenght of pentration needed on bear and wolves sized game and is more efective than the 286g Nosler in my opinion. | |||
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snowman, I've got 50 BT's, they're yours if you want them. Just shoot me a PM. | |||
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I managed to grab 1 box of the Nosler BT before the were discontinued. I am glad I got them. They "should" be a great match up for average north american game. I feel it is a better option than the Acubond especaly at the veleocity most 9.3's are putting out. | |||
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.........A friend of mine killed a brown bear with the Lapua Orynx It worked pretty well but it wasn,t going real fast either .....,,, The sight with the 320 gr Woodlighs is pretty amazing in that he was getting over 2500 fps with them ............,,,,.,. .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Republic Are you refering to 9.3x64 or 9.3x62? Can I ask why you feel the Nosler BT would be better than the Accu-bond ? Many bullets designed for the X62 are too soft for velocities possible with the X64 and in most cases they come apart and fail to penetrate. I was quite happy with the performance of the BT in my X64 on a large cow elk this fall but it was shot at approx 300yds. Had it been under 100yds I"m not sure I would have been as happy. I suspect I will have to try the new Accu-bond at least to see if they will group close to the Partions as do the BT's. | |||
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I've had good luck with IMR 4350 and RL15 with the 286 nosler, very effective on moose. Republic: is your 9.3x64 a mauser with a 22" stainless barrel? | |||
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Snowman, yes I have a 64. My expectations or what I want out of my bullets differs from most. I like big would channels that keep the width for a long time AND penetrate deeply. Most are just looking for somthing a little less explosive it seems. The actaul lead in a 250 9.3 BT is only about 120g, the rest is jacket. At x64 and x62 velocitys 120g of potental lead to rapidly loose seems about right, and still leaves you with a 130g (a little more than 1/2) bullet to penetrate the rest of the way. This is all therotical as I have not used this bullet yet but is sill based on my past experience in this vleocity range and potental 100g of lead lost. As you can see my thinking is not main stream. So far the Accubonds that I have shot have not had the explosivenes in this velocity range that I like. They sure penetrate nice! canam, yes my x64 has a 22" bbl & I bought it off the CGN exhange from Grit, I assume you "know"  my rifle? | |||
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....RoA ....I think I follow your reasoning with loosing the core and I definately agree that the 300 mags sure do make a big mess of stuff .,.,.However sometimes they don,t even get thru the shoulder of big bears and I can,t be haveing that...Going from my rifle with it,s 21 1/2" barrel, you should be getting 2800 fps with the 250 Noslers and that will make a pretty wide wound channel .....The steer I shot in the neck this fall was the first animal shot with that rifle , I hit it in the 1st vertebra and the bullet exited ...I was shooting the Barnes TSX 250gr. and the exit was a bit over 1/2" dia. with trauma to about 2 1/2" dia ..the muzzle velocity was around 2730 fps and the range was about 40 yrds ....For me that was perfect ........The red fox I shot lost 1 leg but most of the hide was fine ...The thing I like about the 9.3x64 is I get a meter or more or penetration with enough but not too much destroyed meat ....And an easy shootin , flat shootin rifle ... I very much appreciate every ones replies ..... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Republic Thanks for the reply. As long as the animal isn't going to turn on you and bite back and you can put that bullet in the lungs everytime you would be OK. If the only shot offered to you is through a heavily muscled shoulder I would choose a bullet that holds together. I'm kind of fond of two holes to let the blood leak out. | |||
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Like I say I have yet to try it but on deer and black bear sized game there is no possible way a .267 SD 250g bullet at 2700fps is not going to make it through the important bits on quartereing shots. This is just based on what I have seen with other claibers shooting simmalar SD bullets with even softer construction. A 180g Hornady will criss-cross a Black bear everytime from a 30-06 there is no doubt about it. I will take the 286g Partition for moose though! | |||
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